Obama most anti catholic president, disses pope benedict xvi !

[Strummer]

Righteous anger IS full of love and charity. I see that the OP is correctly practicing two of the spiritual works of mercy - admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant. God will indeed reward that with mercy and love.

Really? You think President Obama reads this? If not, then the OP can *not *be said to be “admonishing the sinner”. Also, as I’ve yet to read any accurate citing of his/her claim, they cannot be said to be adequately “instructing the ignorant”. So, there is no act of mercy stemming from this “righteous anger”, rather it appears to be right-wing fear-mongering and grandstanding…but I will read further to see what pans out.

 

[Strummer]

OK. Now, having read the article on NCR I can safely say that the OP is doing little more and nothing less than muckracking. The President is going to Europe to attend a G8 Summit which will put him in Italy for a short while. During this time, his schedule is not yet firmed up and so far there are no plans to visit the Vatican. What? Just because he’s in the neighborhood he has to stop by? If I go to visit my in-laws in Orange County will Mickey Mouse be offended if I don’t go to Disneyland? I think not. Now surely, the Holy See has more class than The Mouse.

Now it has been reported that on his European tour including Rome, Obama refuses to meet with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI.

This is a sinful misrepresentation. This statement implies that he was invited directly and directly refused. To forward such calumny is a mark against one’s soul.

He would be the first president in my lifetime to not meet in audience with the Holy Father in the Vatican which is an independent state with an American ambassador.

This may well be a contributing factor to the lack of a visit: as yet the US does not have an ambassador to the Vatican in place. Such a post would go far in working out the details of such a visit.

This dissing of the Holy Father is unacceptable!

And did not happen except in the minds of those seeking further reasons to hold our duly elected president in contempt.

 

[spiritualunity]

Being angry can be holy!
Anger for the things against behavior that rejects Jesus’s Church and teachings is a healthy anger. assertive is fine. He did not get aggressive. Obama certainly acts aggressive in a passive/ aggressive way.

Obama is for death. No wonder he did not want to meet the Pope who is for life, as our God is.
There is discriminations shown by Obama but it is “wrong” to talk about it. That is crazy thinking and is being a bigot and prejudice against Catholic and other Christians.

Why are you even here, lovejesus?
Peace does not come by accepting evil.Wake up!
Spirit

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Reminder: Personal attacks on your fellow posters are not allowed. Please stay on topic.

 

[PJM]

Obama has sadly displayed his anti-Catholic feelings several times in his 130 days in office. The first was his blatant acceptance of speaking and receiving an honorary degree at Notre Dame, the former preeminent Catholic institution of higher learning in the U.S. While there he offered no apology for his pro abortion policies instead he encouraged the graduates to “come together” in dialogue with the pro death community. How does one equivocate on infant murder? In his Notre Dame speech he praised then Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago saying how he was influenced and impressed with the Cardinal and all his works of mercy in Chicago. Obama was so impressed with Bernardin that for twenty years he sat in a pew at the church of the racist bigot reverend Wright and listened to and absorbed all of the hate this so called cleric spewed. Next he refused to take part in the National Day Of Prayer. Next he refused to take part in the Catholic Day Of Prayer. Now it has been reported that on his European tour including Rome, Obama refuses to meet with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI. He would be the first president in my lifetime to not meet in audience with the Holy Father in the Vatican which is an independent state with an American ambassador. This insult is reprehensible and must be addressed by all American Catholics even those who voted for this baby butcher. This dissing of the Holy Father is unacceptable!

Friends I am going to share an OBJECTIVE statement:

Evil does and evil is!

Mt. 7: 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.*

Clearly Satan is a live and well!

 

[Havard]

The relevant portion of the article galnextdoor linked -

"Father Benedettini said it’s usual for a visiting head of state to visit the Holy Father when passing through Rome, but he added that so far “nothing concrete” had been planned. According to Rome sources, just over a week ago the Vatican had still not received “first contact” from the administration to start visit preparations.

In all likelihood, Obama will have an audience with the Pope. But the fact that the Vatican was not on the itinerary released over the weekend, that steps have hardly been taken to arrange a meeting, and that a Vatican ambassador has yet to be appointed is perhaps revealing of how low down on the list of priorities the Holy See is at the White House."

 

[LoveJesus]

Being angry can be holy!
Anger for the things against behavior that rejects Jesus’s Church and teachings is a healthy anger. assertive is fine. He did not get aggressive. Obama certainly acts aggressive in a passive/ aggressive way.

Obama is for death. No wonder he did not want to meet the Pope who is for life, as our God is.
There is discriminations shown by Obama but it is “wrong” to talk about it. That is crazy thinking and is being a bigot and prejudice against Catholic and other Christians.
**
Why are you even here, lovejesus? **
Peace does not come by accepting evil.Wake up!
Spirit

I did not know that I had to spew angry rhetoric in order to post on this forum. I must have missed that when I was reading the posting guidelines of the forum. .

I am not accepting any evil. If Obama decided to actually meet the Pope would you be angry because “he had the nerve to meet with the Pope” after accepting an honorary degree from ND? I’m sorry…I just can’t help noticing here that there are members who just like being angry for the sake of being angry. It’s natural to be angry, yes…but if we dwell on that we’re just wasting our time. Let’s do something productive with it, no?

 

[JReducation]

My take on this is a little different. Please do not take it to the bank. Just allow me to express my opinion.

The President is going to Europe for the G8 Summit. From the information that I have at hand, which comes from the press, I have no idea how long he is going to be in Rome. That would be an important detail to remember. If his stay in Rome is short, the visit to the Vatican may not be possible.

Another possibility, I would not refer to the current administration as “anti-Catholic”; because it has taken advantage of several opportunities to visit and speak at Catholic institutions in the USA. However, I do believe that the current administration is trying very hard to avoid recognizing a Catholic presence. Human beings usually avoid something when they find it threatening. If the current administration were indifferent toward Catholics, it would not care about engaging us in its pro-choice “dialogue”.

This sounds more like a very awkward situation for the White House. It has yet to establish an ambassador at the Vatican. Therefore, it is very uncomfortable to make a diplomatic visit to the Holy Father when you don’t have a diplomat in place. You’re making a diplomatic visit to a nation with whom you have not renewed your diplomatic relations.

Just my two-cents.

Br. JR, OSF

 

[toughcritic]

I could be wrong, but I don’t believe that the US Presidents visit the Vatican everytime that they travel to Europe. This very likely much ado about nothing, at least so far as the visit is concerned.

John

U.S. presidents don’t have an audience with the Pope everytime they visit Europe. Europe is a big place but we are talking about Obama visiting ROME. A head of state visiting Rome has only one important purpose…an audience with the Holy Father! Obama has no love for the Catholic Church for obvious reasons, the Church has condemned Obama’s actions and legislative record as it pertains to human life, embryonic stem cell research and contraceptives to children. This president is the most anti life president in our history while he expresses humanitarian concern for admitted murderous terrorists in Guantanamo by saying that Gitmo does not reflect our “American values”. I guess baby butchering does reflect America’s values according to Obama. This is a major dissing by a Chicago bred thug and deciple of Acorn.

 

[aspawloski4th]

You’re calling me weak because I’ve chosen not to vent my anger on a forum to complete strangers instead of channeling that anger into something productive like praying and evangelizing others around me? Methinks it’s Catholics like you which is part of the reason why the Church in America is in trouble.

If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
~1 Corinthians 13

You seem to have forgotten what Christ did to the money changers at the temple. Jesus never said it was wrong to call a spade a spade, thats what I see going on here. What you have said the samething about praying without action behind it in the cases of Hitler and Stalin?

 

[wapsi]

Obama has sadly displayed his anti-Catholic feelings several times in his 130 days in office. The first was his blatant acceptance of speaking and receiving an honorary degree at Notre Dame, the former preeminent Catholic institution of higher learning in the U.S. While there he offered no apology for his pro abortion policies instead he encouraged the graduates to “come together” in dialogue with the pro death community. How does one equivocate on infant murder?

Huh? Notre Dame did not ask him to explain his abortion policy. I understand why pro-life persons are upset with the honorary degree President Obama was given, but he was under no obligation to explain or moderate his views.

Next he refused to take part in the National Day Of Prayer.

While it is true that President Bush elevated that day to some prominence, his predecessors didn’t. I’m not sure that President Obama is out of line compared to past presidents.

Next he refused to take part in the Catholic Day Of Prayer.

The what?? I’ve never heard of this before.

Now it has been reported that on his European tour including Rome, Obama refuses to meet with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI.

Baloney. President Obama hasn’t scheduled an appointment with the Holy Father, but that is a far cry from saying he refuses to meet with the Pope.

I think your unhappiness with President Obama is getting the better of you.

 

[Galnextdoor]

OK. Now, having read the article on NCR I can safely say that the OP is doing little more and nothing less than muckracking. The President is going to Europe to attend a G8 Summit which will put him in Italy for a short while. During this time, his schedule is not yet firmed up and so far there are no plans to visit the Vatican. What? Just because he’s in the neighborhood he has to stop by? If I go to visit my in-laws in Orange County will Mickey Mouse be offended if I don’t go to Disneyland? I think not. Now surely, the Holy See has more class than The Mouse.

This is a sinful misrepresentation. This statement implies that he was invited directly and directly refused. To forward such calumny is a mark against one’s soul.

This may well be a contributing factor to the lack of a visit: as yet the US does not have an ambassador to the Vatican in place. Such a post would go far in working out the details of such a visit.

And did not happen except in the minds of those seeking further reasons to hold our duly elected president in contempt.

If you read the article than you must realize that “heads of state usually visit the Vatican” when they go to Rome. Since his visit is a little over a month away and he has not announced that he will visit, the likelihood of a visit is slim to none, because security and
and schedules would have been arranged by now. This is not Obama’s first trip to Europe as President of the U.S. If you couple this with the fact that he has not appointed an American ambassador to the Vatican and his Notre Dame speech about how the Catholics should find some common ground with abortionists on the abortion issue, then surely you can see that he is trying to divide the Catholic Church. He is trying to make the Vatican seem insignificant and unimportant. He wants a liberal American Catholic Church who will vote for him and others like him. The Vatican signed a treaty with Italy in 1929 which was made part of Italy’s constitution in 1948. In 1985, a few changes were made by JPII.

The Vatican, all 109 acres of it, exists at the will of it’s allies. If the United States, one of its previously strong allies, ignores the Vatican, other countries may take their cue from the U.S. and also ignore it. A city state with no strong allies, exists at the whim of the countries surrounding it. Obama visited Germany and France in March, but he skipped Italy. Right now, he is supposed to have a low-key stop over in Rome, Italy, but eventually Italy will take notice of the fact that Obama has shunned the Vatican.

Ambassadors usually do not get recalled and fired when a new President takes office. One of Obama’s first activities in office was to recall the American ambassador to the Vatican, Mary Ann Glendon, and fire her. The Vatican was quite happy with Ms. Glendon. She was pro-life and had been a good fit with our Catholic Church.

Obama wants to hold up as leaders in the Catholic Church, the people who are Catholic in name only. He wants to hold up for honor, those Catholics who are not loyal to the Vatican and the teachings of the Church. His Vice-President, the Kennedy’s, and others like them are the people he would like to see leading the Catholic Church.

P.S. It’s an insult to compare Mickey Mouse to the physical leader of our Church. Mickey Mouse is a money making, fictional cartoon character that was created to make money for a business. Since he is not real, he cannot be offended by the lack of your presence. The Pope is our Spiritual Leader and not you, but the President of the U. S. seems to be snubbing him. There’s a big difference.

 

[spiritualunity]

Friends I am going to share an OBJECTIVE statement:

Evil does and evil is!

Mt. 7: 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.*

Clearly Satan is a live and well!

THANK YOU for posting this. I could not find the words. You have spoken for me.
God Bless you,
Spirit

 

[Eucharisted]

Even if the President meets with the Pope, I already know what half of you would say: “He’s just going to ignore the Pope!” and “He’ll probably try to change the Pope’s mind on abortion!” It’s amazing how hypocrtical some of you users are. Truly amazing.

 

[wapsi]

The Vatican, all 109 acres of it, exists at the will of it’s allies. If the United States, one of its previously strong allies, ignores the Vatican, other countries may take their cue from the U.S. and also ignore it. A city state with no strong allies, exists at the whim of the countries surrounding it.

Baloney. The US has no diplomatic relations with several countries, but that hasn’t made them disappear.

Ambassadors usually do not get recalled and fired when a new President takes office. One of Obama’s first activities in office was to recall the American ambassador to the Vatican, Mary Ann Glendon, and fire her.

Could you provide some evidence to support your claim? My source says that she resigned in advance to allow Obama freedom to appoint someone else.
insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2009/01/mary-ann-glendon-on-vaticanus-relations.html

 

[spiritualunity]

Even if the President meets with the Pope, I already know what half of you would say: “He’s just going to ignore the Pope!” and “He’ll probably try to change the Pope’s mind on abortion!” It’s amazing how hypocrtical some of you users are. Truly amazing.

I see NO hypocricy in wanting Obama to visit the Pope because they are both Leaders in this world,even if they do not agree on moral issues. That would be like saying Obama visiting McCann would be hyprcritical. OR anyone who does not agree with Obama.

 

[Galnextdoor]

Even if the President meets with the Pope, I already know what half of you would say: “He’s just going to ignore the Pope!” and “He’ll probably try to change the Pope’s mind on abortion!” It’s amazing how hypocrtical some of you users are. Truly amazing.

I think you are making false judgement against your fellow CAF members. I think it’s wrong to call people names or say people are hypocritical, based on your feelings about things. If someone is saying a truth aloud and does contrary in private, that can be hypocritical. It’s wrong to judge people on what you assume they might say.

The OP based his opinion on something he heard over the radio. It was a valid report from the news. Feel free to state your opinion to the contrary, but please don’t lash out at your fellow CAF members.

 

[elts1956]

There’s no need for name-calling. God is merciful to all of us, even to those who we do not think deserve His mercy. I believe that nothing is impossible with God. That’s my answer to you.

If one is truly non judgemental (apparently I’m not), one would have said nothing regarding what someone else said.

 

[wapsi]

The OP based his opinion on something he heard over the radio. It was a valid report from the news

No, we don’t know that since the OP didn’t bother to link to his news source. He may be right, or he may be full of baloney. We just don’t know because there is no evidence.

 

[Galnextdoor]

Do you think that attitude, which I believe in, will change this despot’s (Obama’s) heart?

I understand your feelings of frustration and anger, but name calling (despot) will never persuade anyone. If you don’t like his actions, speak freely about the actions you dislike, but it seems very un-Christian to call people names.