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NewEnglandPriest
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Are you sure McCain would have been any different? McCain does support federal funding of stem cell research and twice voted to overturn Bush’s restrictions…
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Luigi_Daniele
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Honestly? I have to say yes. Remember it would have been a McCain-Palin administration.
The sad part is that there have been a good number of advances using non-embryonic stem cells and zip using fetal stem cells.
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exoflare
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How would Palin even have had any say in it as VP though?Honestly? I have to say yes. Remember it would have been a McCain-Palin administration.
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Teelynn
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Not sure. (?) This much I know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Anyone with a** pea brain** should realize that to approve and condone something like this, that is still more or less in the experimental stages, is neither moral nor smart. This guy might be highly intelligent but he has squat for logic or common sense. And neither would McCain be Presidential material if he were to approve such an idiotic trial. I think a 7 yr old would know better.
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Luigi_Daniele
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I guarantee you that as prolife as she is, she would not have accepted being VP without concrete assurances that a McCain administration would be prolife.
Even cynically, so as not to ruin her political brand. Having said that, I highly doubt she would do it only for political reasons.
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timotheos
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Contemporary science is all but dead. Most of what is left is infused with arrogance, ego, and the quest for power, money and immortality. I worked in a research lab about 25 years ago, and I was disillusioned to discover the hidden avaricious and cut-throat motives of some biomedical research scientists I knew. Now I am thoroughly disgusted by finding out how paper-thin the altruistic veneer really can be.
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Darryl1958
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McCain would never have gotten such things approved through a Republican congress.
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exoflare
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Maybe so, but then there still wouldn’t be anything to keep McCain from reneging on those assurances later once he was already elected. I’m not saying I know that he would, but he has kind of a knack for getting pushed around by Democrats and there’s no greater sacred cow to the Democrats than the destruction of life.
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Luigi_Daniele
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True. But she would have walked, I think.
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Mike5575
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Despite the obvious fact that it is immoral, the countless billions spent on this research bears little or no fruit at all. Unlike ESCR, Adult stem cell research is ethical, and ACTUALLY works.
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NewEnglandPriest
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Sorry, but I think that’s wishful thinking. During the campaign Obama aired an ad that claimed McCain would continue Bush’s stem cell policy. McCain’s response? He went on the offensive and called Obama a liar and went on to run his own ads touting how he would overturn Bush’s ban.Honestly? I have to say yes. Remember it would have been a McCain-Palin administration.
As far as I know even in this more conservative election climate, McCain is still in favor of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research…
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Holly3278
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Disgusting! 
Obama claims to be a Christian. I guess he’s never read the many places in the Bible that condemn murder!
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.
(Matthew 15:19 RSV)
They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.
(Romans 1:29-32 RSV)
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, and not be like Cain who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous.
(1 John 3:11-12 RSV)
"You shall not kill.
(Exodus 20:13 RSV)
"'You shall not kill.
(Deuteronomy 5:17 RSV)
"For if you truly amend your ways and your doings, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own hurt, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers for ever. "Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Ba’al, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’–only to go on doing all these abominations?
(Jeremiah 7:5-10 RSV)
Hear the word of the LORD, O people of Israel; for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or kindness, and no knowledge of God in the land; there is swearing, lying, killing, stealing, and committing adultery; they break all bounds and murder follows murder. Therefore the land mourns, and all who dwell in it languish, and also the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air; and even the fish of the sea are taken away.
(Hosea 4:1-3 RSV)
Obama claims to be a Christian. I guess he’s never read the many places in the Bible that condemn murder!For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.
(Matthew 15:19 RSV)
They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.
(Romans 1:29-32 RSV)
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, and not be like Cain who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous.
(1 John 3:11-12 RSV)
"You shall not kill.
(Exodus 20:13 RSV)
"'You shall not kill.
(Deuteronomy 5:17 RSV)
"For if you truly amend your ways and your doings, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own hurt, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers for ever. "Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Ba’al, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’–only to go on doing all these abominations?
(Jeremiah 7:5-10 RSV)
Hear the word of the LORD, O people of Israel; for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or kindness, and no knowledge of God in the land; there is swearing, lying, killing, stealing, and committing adultery; they break all bounds and murder follows murder. Therefore the land mourns, and all who dwell in it languish, and also the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air; and even the fish of the sea are taken away.
(Hosea 4:1-3 RSV)
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Teelynn
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Yep, Obama seems to be a Christian alright…and I guess pigs can fly too! Funniest kind of Christianity that I’VE ever seen.Disgusting!
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.
(Matthew 15:19 RSV)
They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.
(Romans 1:29-32 RSV)
For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, and not be like Cain who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous.
(1 John 3:11-12 RSV)
"You shall not kill.
(Exodus 20:13 RSV)
"'You shall not kill.
(Deuteronomy 5:17 RSV)
"For if you truly amend your ways and your doings, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the alien, the fatherless or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own hurt, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers for ever. "Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Ba’al, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’–only to go on doing all these abominations?
(Jeremiah 7:5-10 RSV)
Hear the word of the LORD, O people of Israel; for the LORD has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or kindness, and no knowledge of God in the land; there is swearing, lying, killing, stealing, and committing adultery; they break all bounds and murder follows murder. Therefore the land mourns, and all who dwell in it languish, and also the beasts of the field, and the birds of the air; and even the fish of the sea are taken away.
(Hosea 4:1-3 RSV)
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irishpatrick
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Most of the people of this nation have no clue what they are doing. It seems to make no difference what level of pain people journey through, they remain stubbornly against the realities around them.
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st_lucy
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I would love to hear what all of those “catholic” “prolife” people who voted for obama have to say about this.
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ProveIt312
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If you actually think Palin is a legitate political figure you need your head examined. It takes more than agreeable religious ideology to make a person capable of coherent thought, let alone leading a nation. Personally, I wouldn’t trust her with a Cub Scout troop.Honestly? I have to say yes. Remember it would have been a McCain-Palin administration.
The sad part is that there have been a good number of advances using non-embryonic stem cells and zip using fetal stem cells.
Embryonic stem cell research is the most promising medical breakthrough since penicillin, the potential to help everything from cancers to alzheimers, neurological problems and organ failure, and to deny scientists the funding for this research (while still funneling money into abstinence-only sex ed and faith-based initiatives that fail miserably) is despicable.
This topic is viewed through one of two lenses; a naturalistic, scientific, fact-based one or a dogmatic, superstitious religious one. No ones being forced to do this research, but those of us who realize there’s no evidence for a soul and that it’s better to try to help people via the available embryonic stem cells rather than have them hit the incinerator shouldn’t be blocked by the baseless superstitious beliefs of SOME people.
Enjoy your superstition, but until the Catholic Church pays taxes and answers to it’s crimes, best to stay out of government as well of science, neither of which it or it’s teachings have any place in.
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estesbob
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Actually I’m disappointed they have limited it to embryonic stem cell research. What we really need is to have a clone of every one that is kept locked up for future use when we may need its limbs, organs, fluids, etc. to lengthen our lives This boon to mankind should not be blocked by the baseless superstitious beliefs of some people
After all we are put on this earth to live as long as we can by whatever means possible.
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JW10631
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Stem cell research with cord blood and adult stem cells is and has been promising and positively productive.
Embryonic stem cell research has produced no positive results. It has harmed those who have been injected with embryonic stem cells and has been a colossal waste of time and money.
Ego-driven “researchers” who are only in it for the money and personal prestige are the ones who promote ECSR.
Nothing Barack Obama does surprises me. His political existence is hostile to Catholic teaching on nearly every aspect. As for whether or not John McCain would have been any better, I don’t think so.
I never liked John McCain. McCain is a political opportunist who is supported by the money he married. His wife and her family have a lot of bucks. McCain acts like a Democrat when a Republican is in the White House. McCain was a sorry opponent for the slickly-packaged and overpromoted Obama.
Embryonic stem cell research has produced no positive results. It has harmed those who have been injected with embryonic stem cells and has been a colossal waste of time and money.
Ego-driven “researchers” who are only in it for the money and personal prestige are the ones who promote ECSR.
Nothing Barack Obama does surprises me. His political existence is hostile to Catholic teaching on nearly every aspect. As for whether or not John McCain would have been any better, I don’t think so.
I never liked John McCain. McCain is a political opportunist who is supported by the money he married. His wife and her family have a lot of bucks. McCain acts like a Democrat when a Republican is in the White House. McCain was a sorry opponent for the slickly-packaged and overpromoted Obama.
Suudy
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I debated whether to respond, considering the ban. But, if it temporary or someone thinks this person is correct, it needs a response.
And your reference abstinence-only sex education is a red herring.
Believe it or not, there are rational, philisophical, fact-base, non-dogmatic, non-religious arguments against the destruction of unborn children. I’m fairly certain you would be resistant to using three month old children for medical experimentation that results in their death. I would hope you would find it despicable.
It isn’t about souls. In fact, even if souls didn’t exist, it would be an issue of justice. Do we allow innocent people to be killed against their will for scientific purposes? And regardless, the souls of those killed children are not in danger. So it never was about their souls.
What is despicable is the means, not the ends. Of course help with cancers, neurological problems, and organ failure are wonderful ends. But killing innocent children to achieve those ends is despicable.
And your reference abstinence-only sex education is a red herring.
False dichotomy. There is, in fact, at least one more lens: the rational, philosophical one. This is assuming, of course, that what you mean by “naturalistic, scientific, fact-based” excludes rational reasoning through philosophical means (which is usually the case when people invoke the term “science”).
Believe it or not, there are rational, philisophical, fact-base, non-dogmatic, non-religious arguments against the destruction of unborn children. I’m fairly certain you would be resistant to using three month old children for medical experimentation that results in their death. I would hope you would find it despicable.
If you don’t think a soul exists, and this is a basis for the destruction of pre-natal life, then why stop there? Why not allow one year old, unwanted children to be used for the same means?
It isn’t about souls. In fact, even if souls didn’t exist, it would be an issue of justice. Do we allow innocent people to be killed against their will for scientific purposes? And regardless, the souls of those killed children are not in danger. So it never was about their souls.
Ah, now it is clear. This is really about dislike of the Church, and not really about the benefits of embryonic stem cell research. You don’t like the Church, so you don’t think anyone should listen to it.
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