Obama Ready To Sign Gay and Lesbian Marriage Act In Federal Constitutional Amendment

[centurionguard]

Strong Rumours are setting the stage for Obama officially signing a federal constitutional amendment for legalizing marriages for all gays and lesbians in the Marriage Act which will super-cede all 50 State laws on January 22ond, 2009.

Anybody here at C.A.F can add to this from a genuine Catholic prospective ?

Obama wholeheartedly supports Gay and Lesbian Marriage unions despite the fact of calling himself a real true Christian. See; metacafe.com/watch/1529565/barack_obama_wants_gay_marriage/

It’s a tragic embarrassment in my own country Canada that our federal government has legalized abortions and gay marriages. What the hell is next ?
Legalizing pedophiles ? People can laugh it off and yes Satan may have his hour, but God will have His Day. And what a great terrible day of tribulation it will be.

 

[Polaris]

He will do no such thing civil unions yes but not

 

[Polaris]

Strong Rumours are setting the stage for Obama officially signing a federal constitutional amendment for legalizing marriages for all gays and lesbians in the Marriage Act which will super-cede all 50 State laws on January 22ond, 2009.

Anybody here at C.A.F can add to this from a genuine Catholic prospective ?

Obama wholeheartedly supports Gay and Lesbian Marriage unions despite the fact of calling himself a real true Christian. See; metacafe.com/watch/1529565/barack_obama_wants_gay_marriage/

It’s a tragic embarrassment in my own country Canada that our federal government has legalized abortions and gay marriages. What the hell is next ?
Legalizing pedophiles ? People can laugh it off and yes Satan may have his hour, but God will have His Day. And what a great terrible day of tribulation it will be.

I may be mixing up my Constitution ways again but I think the president has nothing to do with the amendment process. You need at least a 2/3 majority in the state legislatures or in the congress for it to be proposed and than 3/4 of the states have to approve it. The president might sign it but that is only ceremonial.

 

[Redbandito]

Strong Rumours are setting the stage for Obama officially signing a federal constitutional amendment for legalizing marriages for all gays and lesbians in the Marriage Act which will super-cede all 50 State laws on January 22ond, 2009.

Anybody here at C.A.F can add to this from a genuine Catholic prospective ?

Obama wholeheartedly supports Gay and Lesbian Marriage unions despite the fact of calling himself a real true Christian. See; metacafe.com/watch/1529565/barack_obama_wants_gay_marriage/

It’s a tragic embarrassment in my own country

Canada that our federal government has legalized abortions and gay marriages. What the hell is next ?

Legalizing pedophiles ? People can laugh it off and yes Satan may have his hour, but God will have His Day. And what a great terrible day of tribulation it will be.

No way. Constitutional amendments require a 2/3 majority in congress. The reason this keeps ending up in the courts is because the gay rights movement can’t get their agenda
passed through the democratic process. There’s no way they can get the votes they need. Not enough democrats.

 

[Corki]

Constitutional ammendments don’t work that way. They have to be ratified by the states. This is not easy. The ERA, to ensure equal rights for women, has been introduced every year since 1923 and still doesn’t have enough states to pass - it needs 38 states. That’s only a max of 12 that can say “no”. Since there are currently 29 states with constitutions ammendments defining marriage as between one man and one woman, and 42 states that define marriage by law as between one man and one woman, it is incredibly unlikely that 38 states would ratify a constitutional ammendment for gay marriage.

 

[Dale_M]

There’s no way they can get the votes they need. Not enough democrats.

And not enough blue states, either.

Here is the process for amending the US Constitution:

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention. The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA’s Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format.

A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States). When the OFR verifies that it has received the required number of authenticated ratification documents, it drafts a formal proclamation for the Archivist to certify that the amendment is valid and has become part of the Constitution. This certification is published in the Federal Register and U.S. Statutes at Large and serves as official notice to the Congress and to the Nation that the amendment process has been completed.

archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

The president isn’t involved in the process, except possibly as a ceremonial signer, but even this isn’t necessary.
archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

 

[Elizabeth502]

I had thought his position was that he was anti- the marriage label, for civil unions.

 

[Polaris]

I had thought his position was that he was anti- the marriage label, for civil unions.

Your right. He is against Gay Marriage but for civil unions. That’s why a majority of Gays supported Hilary Clinton.

 

[iamme]

Your right. He is against Gay Marriage but for civil unions. That’s why a majority of Gays supported Hilary Clinton.

ill never understand whats so bad about separate but equal…

oh wait, its the same as segregation!
also, the first sentence of the op tells the story. “strong rumors”?
please, this is a “lets bash obama and gays!” thread…

 

[NDN]

I don’t think he has that sort of authority. A constitutional amendment requires a majority of2/3 of the states voting in favor of it. He may get the ball rolling, but it will require elections in all 50 states. Pax Christi

 

[vera_dicere]

Well, he’s gotta keep the gay vote, even if he doesn’t quite support it, or support it in a different semantic.

I’m more worried about his support of this Freedom Of Choice bill, which would essentially entrench abortion in American law, and remove the right of doctors and nurses to refuse to participate in these procedures - meaning Catholic doctors and nurses would HAVE to do abortions or loose their jobs, they’d also have to train in abortion technquies.

Furthermore it would remove any obligation to provide assistance to babies born alive from botched abortions - of course we all know those poor children are just chucked in the bin anyway, but this would essentially legalise infantcide.

Shame on those who voted for Obama, I say.

 

[maggiemay2u]

Your right. He is against Gay Marriage but for civil unions. That’s why a majority of Gays supported Hilary Clinton.

He has a funny way of showing his lack of support…

Alice B Toklas is a homosexual Democrat activist organization. Please read Mr Obama’s own words. alicebtoklas.org/abt/news…0807.htm#obama

For purposes of this forum, I have excerpted the following from the letter,“Finally, I want to congratulate all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks. My thanks again to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club for allowing me to be a part of today’s celebration. I look forward to working with you in the coming months and years, and I wish you all continued success.”

These do not appear to be the sentiments of one who is truly an opponent of homosexual marriage, at least not IMHO.

His campaign made another such statement opposing the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman after the Warren “debate”.

noonprop8.com/articles/20…erican-voters/

The site quotes the Obama campaign,“As the Democratic nominee for President, I am proud to join with and support the LGBT community in an effort to set our nation on a course that recognizes LGBT Americans with full equality under the law…And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states. For too long, issues of LGBT rights have been exploited by those seeking to divide us. It’s time to move beyond polarization and live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. This is no less than a core issue about who we are as Democrats and as Americans.”

 

[iamme]

He has a funny way of showing his lack of support…

Alice B Toklas is a homosexual Democrat activist organization. Please read Mr Obama’s own words. alicebtoklas.org/abt/news…0807.htm#obama

For purposes of this forum, I have excerpted the following from the letter,“Finally, I want to congratulate all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks. My thanks again to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club for allowing me to be a part of today’s celebration. I look forward to working with you in the coming months and years, and I wish you all continued success.”

These do not appear to be the sentiments of one who is truly an opponent of homosexual marriage, at least not IMHO.

His campaign made another such statement opposing the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman after the Warren “debate”.

noonprop8.com/articles/20…erican-voters/

The site quotes the Obama campaign,“As the Democratic nominee for President, I am proud to join with and support the LGBT community in an effort to set our nation on a course that recognizes LGBT Americans with full equality under the law…And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states. For too long, issues of LGBT rights have been exploited by those seeking to divide us. It’s time to move beyond polarization and live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. This is no less than a core issue about who we are as Democrats and as Americans.”

finally, a president you wouldnt laugh at if he had a shoe thrown at him.

 

[NDN]

I agree completely! The FOCA bill would pass in this liberal climate we have in Wash. this term. It will completely do away with all of the progress we have worked so hard for in restricting abortion. It will take freedom of choice away from health care workers who don’t want to provide or participate in abortion, by making them subject to firing for thei beliefs. Pax Christi

 

[apromisemade]

Strong Rumours are setting the stage for Obama officially signing a federal constitutional amendment for legalizing marriages for all gays and lesbians in the Marriage Act which will super-cede all 50 State laws on January 22ond, 2009.

Anybody here at C.A.F can add to this from a genuine Catholic prospective ?

Obama wholeheartedly supports Gay and Lesbian Marriage unions despite the fact of calling himself a real true Christian. See; metacafe.com/watch/1529565/barack_obama_wants_gay_marriage/

It’s a tragic embarrassment in my own country Canada that our federal government has legalized abortions and gay marriages. What the hell is next ?
Legalizing pedophiles ? People can laugh it off and yes Satan may have his hour, but God will have His Day. And what a great terrible day of tribulation it will be.

These are rumors, plain and simple. Obama has repeatedly stated he believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

 

[Polaris]

Hillary Clinton supported Gays with full access to marriage with the name marriage and has always had a stronger support in the Gay community. Barrack is for Civil unions but against Marriage based on his faith.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, “I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.”

From obamas own website:

obama.3cdn.net/795174956a7f432e93_4iiemv52b.pdf

Notice how he says Civil unions, not marriage. Gays and straights who believe in equality and human rights do not like this idea of separate things because it often leads to problems. Like segregation named earlier. Yet he is not against states calling it that.

 

[iamme]

I agree completely! The FOCA bill would pass in this liberal climate we have in Wash. this term. It will completely do away with all of the progress we have worked so hard for in restricting abortion. It will take freedom of choice away from health care workers who don’t want to provide or participate in abortion, by making them subject to firing for thei beliefs. Pax Christi

if you dont want to be “forced” to perform abortions, then dont get in a field where you might have to.
most people research their career paths first.
also, in health care, your beliefs come dead last when it comes to what your patient wants…

 

[NDN]

What about hospitals that are run by churches, I know several differen denominations other than Catholic which provide health care. What ever happened to the oath that requires first, do no harm?

 

[iamme]

What about hospitals that are run by churches, I know several differen denominations other than Catholic which provide health care. What ever happened to the oath that requires first, do no harm?

what about them? and tho oath youre talking about is the hippocratic oath, and the reason abortion doesnt violate that, is because the medical profession doesnt find a fetus viable until the third trimester, where abortions are no longer allowed. now, as a public institution, all hospitals are required to offer the same basic services, such as abortion, emergency room care, the morning after pill, etc, if they are to receive government funding, as a PUBLIC institution. if they dont want to do that, thats perfectly acceptable, they can privatize, and not offer things they find morally objectionable, and you can forgo your government funding.
dont complain about not getting equal treatment when youre not offering equal services…

 

[centurionguard]

ill never understand whats so bad about separate but equal…

oh wait, its the same as segregation!
also, the first sentence of the op tells the story. “strong rumors”?
please, this is a “lets bash Obama and gays!” thread…

If you think this thread is to bash Obama maybe you should set your thoughts in a different direction. Do you actually think Obama in his next four years of tenure as being President will be able to separate his Christian beliefs from his Political motives. You can not serve two masters. Whether it be country-wide abortion issues or the hotly debated Gay and Lesbian Marriage issues; I wouldn’t be so gullible to buy President-Elect Obama aspirations toward his Christian values on Moral Christian issues.
In Canada the late Prime Minister Pierre. E. Trudeau formalized the country-wide abortion bill…and Trudeau was Catholic.
Former Prime Minister Jean Chretien formalized the Gay and Lesbian Marriage Act and Adoption bill in Canada…and he was Catholic. Political leaders do what they do strictly for votes. Statistics reveal that most American Catholics voted for Obama when many priest’s and bishops tried persuading not to.
In Canada Catholic voters were to weak and complacent in their moral resolve when the Abortion and Gay & Lesbian Marriage Acts were passed and made law. They say history repeats itself. I would hate to see the same course of actions our Canadian defunct politicians made, happen in the United States.
You say it won’t happen ? Sad to say but I wouldn’t bet on it.