Obama Ready To Sign Gay and Lesbian Marriage Act In Federal Constitutional Amendment

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Redbandito said:
You really don’t have a clue what you’re talking. In a bit over your head it appears. But to be dishonest is a different story. You absolutely did bring up race. You compared separate but equal an segregation to the marriage/civil union situation we currently face. So don’t try to flip it simply because you aren’t able to counter the argument.

As for being offended, what on earth are you talking about. The only offensive thing on this thread is the irrationality of your arguments. I never stated I was offended. Let’s knock attributing feelings or motives to each other and focus like a laser beam on the merits of the argument itself.

Finally, sex would clearly fall under the same costructs as race since it is entirely determined by genetics. Nor is being man/woman a lifestyle choice. Rather it is just a genetic fact.
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actually, comparing civil union/marriage to separate but equal/segregation isnt bringing race into this, just because segregation had to do with separating blacks and whites. it has to do with a class of people being given “equal” (civil unions arent equal to marriage) rights, but keeping them separate because a majority doesnt want to share something, in this case, a word; marriage. it is the exact same thing, unless there arent any black or hispanic gays, or any lesbians.

also, sexuality IS genetically determined, whether you wish to believe it or not is irrelevant. really, you refusing to accept it is not only irrational, it also makes you the very thing that offends you, which is pretty hypocritical. you cannot with any sort of authority say that god didnt create gays, because the origin of gays isnt mentioned in the bible, and you cant even start to talk on behalf of god.

but im sure youll try.
 
Redbandito said:
Yes it is. Sorry, you’re just wrong.
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its elective in that you can refuse it, but in every hospital in america, save the private ones, that dont get government funding, one of the first things offered to a rape victim is the morning after pill, not the abortion pill, and that MUST be the very definition of elective. elective: a standard procedure offered to patients.
who knew?
 
Polaris said:
Hillary Clinton supported Gays with full access to marriage with the name marriage and has always had a stronger support in the Gay community. Barrack is for Civil unions but against Marriage based on his faith.

Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions:
Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, “I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.”

From obamas own website:

obama.3cdn.net/795174956a7f432e93_4iiemv52b.pdf

Notice how he says Civil unions, not marriage. Gays and straights who believe in equality and human rights do not like this idea of separate things because it often leads to problems. Like segregation named earlier. Yet he is not against states calling it that.
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You provide a staffer’s massaged words. I provide Obama’s own words. His words are very clear to all but the most oblique.

While I agree he talks out of more sides of his mouth than a set of sextuplets, he has remained constant in his support of homosexual “marriages”. His opposition to Prop 8 is self evident, as Calif already had civil unions. He didn’t urge the members of AB Toklas group to enjoy themselves in civil unions, he congratulated them on their marriages and wished them well in their pursuit of defeating Prop 8. The Windy City Times apparently ran an article with BHO’s support of homosexual “marriages” as documented in a 1996 poll, with his signature affixed, on January 13, 2009.

The waffles continue.
 
maggiemay2u said:
You provide a staffer’s massaged words. I provide Obama’s own words. His words are very clear to all but the most oblique.

While I agree he talks out of more sides of his mouth than a set of sextuplets, he has remained constant in his support of homosexual “marriages”. His opposition to Prop 8 is self evident, as Calif already had civil unions. He didn’t urge the members of AB Totlas group to enjoy themselves in civil unions, he congratulated them on their marriages and wished them well in their pursuit of defeating Prop 8. The Windy City Times apparently ran an article with BHO’s support of homosexual “marriages” as documented in a 1996 poll, with his signature affixed, on January 13, 2009.

The waffles continue.
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link?

and good for him!
 
iamme said:
what about them?** and tho oath youre talking about is the hippocratic oath, and the reason abortion doesnt violate that, is because the medical profession doesnt find a fetus viable until the third trimester, where abortions are no longer allowed. now, as a public institution, all hospitals are required to offer the same basic services, such as abortion, **emergency room care, the morning after pill, etc, if they are to receive government funding, as a PUBLIC institution. if they dont want to do that, thats perfectly acceptable, they can privatize, and not offer things they find morally objectionable, and you can forgo your government funding.
dont complain about not getting equal treatment when youre not offering equal services…
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Sources please.
 
iamme said:
ill never understand whats so bad about separate but equal…

oh wait, its the same as segregation!
also, the first sentence of the op tells the story. “strong rumors”?
please, this is a “lets bash obama and gays!” thread…
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the same reason a blind person isn’t issued a driver’s license…
 
Polaris said:
What reason is that for gays?
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That by virtue of nature or nurture they are outside the norm. While blind folks can compete in almost all phases of the sighted world, by virtue of nature or nurture, they cannot drive a car, outside of Disneyland…
 
I would think that a State where the “people” banned gay marriage, i.e. Michigan, if an amendment was brought to Michigan the state would have to uphold what the “people” have already banned and vote against any amendment.
 
maggiemay2u said:
Sources please.
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well, the viable statement was incorrect on my part, but since abortions are performed until the third trimester, i dont think you can argue with the rest.

also, the fact that you guys whine about “our catholic church doesnt get scrilla because we wont kill babies/offer the same services as other public hospitals!” is all the source anyone needs to prove that to get public funding, you need to offer the public the same services as all other public establishments in your field!

just like, if a church rents out the building for weddings, it has to rent for all weddings, regardless of religion race participants, or it could lose its tax exempt status…

and really, that “we dont give blind people licenses” remark is just ridiculous and inflammatory. are you allowed to park in a handicapped space?
and mental handicaps dont count now!
 
ljprevo said:
I would think that a State where the “people” banned gay marriage, i.e. Michigan, if an amendment was brought to Michigan the state would have to uphold what the “people” have already banned and vote against any amendment.
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youd think that, but prop 8 raped that idea to death.
 
So then, freedom of choice is really only freedom if abortion is the choice? Record deficits all across the country, war on 2 fronts, but we as a nation must squander our resources on tax funded abortions? People are not free to choose not to participate in abortions, only free if they do participate? Maybe I don’t really understand the use of “freedom” in this act. Pax Christi
 
maggiemay2u said:
That by virtue of nature or nurture they are outside the norm. While blind folks can compete in almost all phases of the sighted world, by virtue of nature or nurture, they cannot drive a car, outside of Disneyland…
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if its virtue of nature, then its explicitly NOT outside the norm, and regardless of nurture, theyre american citizens, and that guarantees equal rights as anyone else. and who are you, exactly, to decide what is and isnt “the norm”. you are aware that society is made of thousands of different factions, faiths, beliefs, preferences, biases, and flaws, right? so what is the norm?
 
NDN said:
So then, freedom of choice is really only freedom if abortion is the choice? Record deficits all across the country, war on 2 fronts, but we as a nation must squander our resources on tax funded abortions? People are not free to choose not to participate in abortions, only free if they do participate? Maybe I don’t really understand the use of “freedom” in this act. Pax Christi
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i dont agree with the war in iraq, im not going to pay the portion of taxes that supports military operations there. i wonder what will happen?
 
Not the issue. The issue is, why should abortions be paid for by the govt? They don’t pay for other health care. Why is abortion the sacred cow that all American taxpayers must revere? If abortion is paid for by the participants instead of a free ride, there would be fewer. I don’t agree with Iraq either.Pax Christi
 
NDN said:
Not the issue. The issue is, why should abortions be paid for by the govt? They don’t pay for other health care. Why is abortion the sacred cow that all American taxpayers must revere? If abortion is paid for by the participants instead of a free ride, there would be fewer. I don’t agree with Iraq either.Pax Christi
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actually, they do pay for other healthcare. theres not a special abortion tax, its included all your taxes.
if you dont like it, stop paying taxes. why do you have to? because thats the law.
why complain about something you can never ever change?
thats like me complaining about having to pay taxes, because as a gay man, im a second class citizen.
 
What other health care? Medicare is notorious for paying pennies. Most drs. don’t even take it. I can and do complain about the way all branches of govt. squander my tax dollars. But the worst misuse of tax money is to subsidize the murde of American babies. Pax Christi
 
NDN said:
What other health care? Medicare is notorious for paying pennies. Most drs. don’t even take it. I can and do complain about the way all branches of govt. squander my tax dollars. But the worst misuse of tax money is to subsidize the murde of American babies. Pax Christi
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but if we dont murder them, how can we eat them?
babies arent like sushi, yknow.
 
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