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elts1956
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I don’t. Too long ago.I remember being young and stupid, too.
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Tsuwano
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Perhaps they should invite the President to speak. Imagine the possibilities.
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elts1956
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:doh2::doh2:
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elts1956
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You have that EXACTLY right.I’m with you…I seriously doubt there will be any “dialogue.” Obama will be the one giving the commencement speech - HE will determine the message. Not the university.
He talks a good game about listening to opposing views but that’s all it is - talk. Just listen to his speech when he lifted the ban on federal funding of ESCR. He thinks our beliefs are mere “ideology” standing in the way of great scientific progress. Catholics who think he’s actually going to respect our beliefs are self-delusional. This is a man who doesn’t want his daughters “punished with a baby,” but some naive administrators at Notre Dame think he will change his mind because he’s invited to give the commencement speech? I doubt there will be “time” in his so busy schedule to debate with any professors or students. If anything, he will be fawned over and given the adulation he so craves. Why does he need to change his views? It’s clear American Catholics love him just the way he is. After all, they voted for him in huge numbers.
This is most certainly a political move. It’s Obama’s way of saying, “Thanks, American Catholics, for selling out your Church’s teachings and voting for me!” He really could not care less about the Catholics who oppose him.
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elts1956
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One doesn’t need to stick one’s head in the sand. bo makes his policies Crystal clear. He has kept his word. He is very transparent on his pro death agendas and he has congress to keep him on track.
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PapaSquash
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Maybe a low-power radio broadcast of the rosary should be arranged. Then when Barry starts orating they can put on the headphones and whip out their beads.
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CatholicMom12
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I, too, am appalled by the choice of Barack Obama as the commencement speaker at Notre Dame. There will be no dialogue. There will only be an address to a captive audience. I’m saddened by the University’s selection, and have emailed Fr. John Jenkins to express my displeasure. I’ve also signed the petition started by the Newman Club at notredamescandal.com and encourage others to do the same.
My future son-in-law is graduating this year. I know he won’t have enough tickets to get me inside the commencement, but I now plan to be outside–with a sign protesting Obama’s stance on life issues.
notredamescandal.com has all the contact information for Fr. Jenkins and the University.
My future son-in-law is graduating this year. I know he won’t have enough tickets to get me inside the commencement, but I now plan to be outside–with a sign protesting Obama’s stance on life issues.
notredamescandal.com has all the contact information for Fr. Jenkins and the University.
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KathleenElsie
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Then those that are praying the Rosary can pray real loud and out loud. But better yet, why not get TelePrompter to post the Rosary so BHO can pray along.
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Darryl1958
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You have to admit the guy is great with the teleprompter. He might even convert a few of the people who invited him to the commencement over to Catholicism.Then those that are praying the Rosary can pray real loud and out loud. But better yet, why not get TelePrompter to post the Rosary so BHO can pray along.
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BartBurk
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I work at the University of Notre Dame. Unfortunately, the great majority of faculty members and students at the University voted for Barack Obama for President in this last election. I don’t even think it was close – something like 70 percent of the faculty voted for him. The students were also heavily for Obama. This is a very liberal place.
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daughterofmary
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Just because he is the American President does not give him a ticket to any University he likes. This is a Catholic University that is suppose to represent Catholic values and principals. They are giving an honorary degree to this man. An honorary degree. They are “honoring” him and everything he stands for, including his radical anti-life agenda.
I personally am not going to believe for one second that they are going to “dialogue” with him about the Church’s position on abortion and allow him to “hear the voice of the Catholic Church.” As the commencement speaker, he is the one that is going to be doing all the talking and the school is going to be hearing him, not the other way around. And we have already heard enough of him. We already know what he has to say.
This is for prestige and popularity. This has nothing to do with extending to Obama “the voice of the Church.” Yeah, right.
And these life issues are already at the forefront of what he is about. The first day he reversed the Mexico City Policy. Just a week or so ago stem cell research. These excuses you were offered by the school are just lame.
They are giving him an honorary degree. How in the world are they explaining that one?
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Lepanto
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To those who claim that this is going to be a “dialog” instead of a monolog…who exactly from the university will be presenting the Catholic point of view?
Please name names.
Please name names.
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daughterofmary
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For the last couple decades the University of Notre Dame as unforunately brought scandal upon scandal to the Church and true Catholic education.Perhaps so, but they aren’t inviting him to listen to his views and policies. They are inviting him to give a commencement address and to bestow on him an honorary degree.
There is not going be a “dialogue.” This is a graduation where they will listen to him talk and then give him an honorary degree of law (of all things).hmmm cause scandal or look as if you are sticking your head in the sand… hard choice. As usual, Notre Dame wants to look good at the cost of her Catholic reputation and the Church.
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BartBurk
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In some ways I agree with you. I was a Mormon before I came to Notre Dame and was influenced to convert to Catholicism as I listened to the priests at masses I attended on campus. There is a conservative Catholic core here. Unfortunately, there is also a desire to be respected by scholars at other universities which sometimes causes the conservative Catholic voice to be muted. The university seems a little schizophrenic in that regard. I never would have expected them to invite President Obortion to receive an honorary degree on campus. They somehow were able to get through eight years of Clinton without honoring him – I don’t know what has caused them to change when it comes to this President.
hmmm cause scandal or look as if you are sticking your head in the sand… hard choice. As usual, Notre Dame wants to look good at the cost of her Catholic reputation.
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maggiemay2u
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Fr. Jenkins: Call him at 574.631.5000
Email the petition to all in your address book, call Fr Jenkins (expect to be on hold for quite a bit, but his aide, Andy is very courteous), email Fr Jenkins, and pray!
Email the petition to all in your address book, call Fr Jenkins (expect to be on hold for quite a bit, but his aide, Andy is very courteous), email Fr Jenkins, and pray!
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PeterK
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C’mon you guys, you’re all acting like there is such a thing as Catholic identity. I mean, I can’t help but think some of you actually believe the distinction “Catholic” to stand for something in the United States. To what leadership group can you point to support this? The bishops? The Catholic Institutions of “Higher” Education? The Jesuits? Womens Religious Orders? “Catholic” politicians? Who? I mean if “Catholic” stands for something one might expect to actually see some Catholics making a stand. That follows right? Where are they standing? Am I not looking in the right direction? Should I bother looking?
Outside of some scattered individuals is EWTN all there is? …and maybe the Knights of Columbus? Thank God for these!
Catholicism in a America is a mirage. The higher ups don’t even know you and I exist.
Great. Some more pessimism to pray through.
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Outside of some scattered individuals is EWTN all there is? …and maybe the Knights of Columbus? Thank God for these!
Catholicism in a America is a mirage. The higher ups don’t even know you and I exist.
Great. Some more pessimism to pray through.
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BartBurk
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I think many of the Bishops get it. Bishop D’Arcy asked Notre Dame not to do the Vagina Monologues. I suspect he will say something negative about Notre Dame inviting Obama as well. The obvious problem is that Notre Dame does not recognize the authority of the Bishop in these matters. I would like to know what the motivation of Father Jenkins is in this matter. I’m afraid it at least looks as if he enjoys putting his fingers into the eyes of orthodox Catholics. Then again perhaps he is sincere about promoting dialogue with the President. If that is the case I think he will look like a fool because Obama is not dialoging with anyone when it comes to abortion – his mind is made up. Obama would practically need a visit from the Virgin Mary to change his mind. And Mrs. Obama needs to be there too or President Obama wouldn’t have the courage to listen to such a visit.
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allhers
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Here is some other contact info: (I realize one of these were already suggested, but more is good.)
Please sign the protest petition that has been developed by the Cardinal Newman Society: notredamescandal.com/
Another action we can take, since we are not only speechless but horrified is this (It consts 84 cents to send a letter to the Vatican office)
Most Reverend Archbishop Zenon Grocholewski Prefect The Congregation for Catholic Education of Seminaries and Institutes of Studies [Secretary: Archbishop Jean-Louis Bruguès, O.P.] Palazzo della Congregazioni Piazza Pio XII, 3 00193, Roma, Italy or 00120 CITTÀ DEL VATICANO Roma, Italy phone: 011.39.06.69.88.41.67 fax: 011.39.06.69.88.41.72
–Bp. D’Arcy’s contact is:
pewsitter.com/Fort_Wayne_South_Bend_diocese.html
–Letters to the editor in chief of the Notre Dame newspaper, The Observer, Mike Connolly: connolly.28@nd.edu --Managing editor of The Observer, Noreen Gillespie, gill0843@saintmary’s.edu
source:ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=571276&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=14&Author=&Keyword=&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=24&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
Please sign the protest petition that has been developed by the Cardinal Newman Society: notredamescandal.com/
Another action we can take, since we are not only speechless but horrified is this (It consts 84 cents to send a letter to the Vatican office)
Most Reverend Archbishop Zenon Grocholewski Prefect The Congregation for Catholic Education of Seminaries and Institutes of Studies [Secretary: Archbishop Jean-Louis Bruguès, O.P.] Palazzo della Congregazioni Piazza Pio XII, 3 00193, Roma, Italy or 00120 CITTÀ DEL VATICANO Roma, Italy phone: 011.39.06.69.88.41.67 fax: 011.39.06.69.88.41.72
–Bp. D’Arcy’s contact is:
pewsitter.com/Fort_Wayne_South_Bend_diocese.html
–Letters to the editor in chief of the Notre Dame newspaper, The Observer, Mike Connolly: connolly.28@nd.edu --Managing editor of The Observer, Noreen Gillespie, gill0843@saintmary’s.edu
source:ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=571276&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=14&Author=&Keyword=&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=24&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
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catharina
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No mirage, PeterK.
Like Catholics everywhere, our leadership is in the Vatican.
Yet you have a point in a way. It seems that many Catholics in this country regard their religious commitments to be secondary to their political and financial goals. Horribly sad and terribly faithless, but perhaps all too true.
To find a Catholic identity, one lives a Catholic life.
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ChristinaM
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I’m a new grad student at Notre Dame, and as far as my (limited) experience here goes, your assessment is spot on. “Schizophrenic” is the right word. With regards to the undergrads I’ve met, I am impressed with their intellect, but fear that Notre Dame is not leaving them with much of a moral education. They are rich in worldly wisdom but many are ignorant of or apathetic toward Church teachings. The orthodox Catholic student groups are vocal and well coordinated, but they are fighting an uphill battle against their peers and certain figures in the faculty and administration. Before this awful news came out, I was actually feeling quite hopeful that ND might reclaim its Catholic identity. Unfortunately it seems like those who prize secular prestige above all are winning the day.
It should be noted that ND is run by the Congregation of Holy Cross and is not subject to the authority of Bishop D’Arcy. Feel free to write to Bishop D’Arcy, and I’m sure he is equally frustrated and saddened by this - he is a good bishop from what I have seen. However, he does not have the authority to tell Notre Dame what they may and may not do, so let’s keep that in mind. In an ideal world, Holy Cross would respect Bishop D’Arcy as the local ordinary, but they really seem not to care what his pastoral opinion is.
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