Obama to Give Commencement Speech at Notre Dame

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Not_a_Die_Hard said:
Congratulations to Notre Dame. As a Catholic I find it refreshing to see not all Catholics are narrow minded and hostile toward anyone who does not necessarily agree with church doctrine. President Obama might not support the church’s views on abortion and stem cell research, but that does not make it right for some Catholics to express such vitriol toward him because of it.
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So now proclaiming the truth of the Church’s teachings is “narrow minded” and “hostile?” That’s pretty shocking, coming from a self-proclaimed Catholic. Do you or do you not believe that the Church’s teachings on life are true?

Not only does Obama not support, he actively works against the pro-life cause. I personally won’t apologize for my strong response. We should guard against hatred, but anyone with a properly formed conscience cannot help but respond with revulsion at Obama’s callous disregard for the unborn.
]Is it any wonder “Catholic bashing” is so popular these days.
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So in your opinion, we “ask for it” because we stand up for truth? So charitable of you. Are you also “ashamed to be Catholic?”
 
Not_a_Die_Hard said:
Congratulations to Notre Dame. As a Catholic I find it refreshing to see not all Catholics are narrow minded and hostile toward anyone who does not necessarily agree with church doctrine. President Obama might not support the church’s views on abortion and stem cell research, but that does not make it right for some Catholics to express such vitriol toward him because of it.

Is it any wonder “Catholic bashing” is so popular these days.
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No it is no wonder when those that call themselves “catholic” are not willing to support the teachings of the Catholic Church.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Well I guess some Germans thought it was an honor to have Hitler at their graduation also. I wonder if the Jews would have felt it was an honor for Hitler to speak at a Hebrew school? How is it an honor to invite someone that is against every teaching of the Catholic Church to speak at a Catholic function?
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This is a totally inappropriate comment. You may not agree with President Obama’s agenda, but he is not Hitler.
It’s comments like this that turn the rest of American society off to Catholics.
 
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President. It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution. The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.

Burning books, restricting free speech, prohibiting ideas that we don’t like - accomplishes nothing except a lack of knowledge.
 
stbruno said:
chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-daily-question-poll,0,7553162.poll

Why not vote in the Chicago Tribune’s public opinion poll about whether you think Notre Dame should have invited Obama. I think we should storm this poll with No votes. I just did.
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Morwenna said:
Another “no” vote here.

The count so far:

Yes (472 responses)
56.7%

No (361 responses)
43.3%
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* 833 total responses
Let’s see if we can get the “no” percentage higher! 🙂
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Here are the latest stats:

Yes (888 responses)

54.2%

No (750 responses)

45.8%
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* 1638 total responses
So, we’ve increased the “no” percentage a bit since this morning, but we still have some ground to cover. Please vote. 🙂
 
adamsapple said:
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President. It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution. The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.

Burning books, restricting free speech, prohibiting ideas that we don’t like - accomplishes nothing except a lack of knowledge.
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I’m not sure I’m following you. What’s the other side of the equation? And now is the students’ opportunity to do what?
 
adamsapple said:
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President. **It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution. ** The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.
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In some ways I agree with this. Since Father Jenkins became President, Notre Dame has made statements about regaining its Catholic identity. Now that they have shown their true colors, that they are not committed to their beliefs, we know that they are on the other side. We will find a solution. This is especially important for those of us in positions to influence the college choices of high school students.
 
Corki said:
In some ways I agree with this. Since Father Jenkins became President, Notre Dame has made statements about regaining its Catholic identity. Now that they have shown their true colors, that they are not committed to their beliefs, we know that they are on the other side. We will find a solution. This is especially important for those of us in positions to influence the college choices of high school students.
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How does inviting President Obama demonstrate that they are not committed to their beliefs???
Please explain.
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adamsapple said:
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President.
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Sponsering a sponser of death? oh yeah.
It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution.
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The equation is life or death, the equation is life or murder.
The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.
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Obama has openly bashed the Bible, and he has mocked Jesus Christ, you should be proud of him.
Burning books, restricting free speech, prohibiting ideas that we don’t like - accomplishes nothing except a lack of knowledge.
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We have the knowledge, one wants to murder children before they can grasp one breath of life, the other doesn’t.
 
adamsapple said:
How does inviting President Obama demonstrate that they are not committed to their beliefs???
Please explain.
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Bishop D’Arcy said it better than I ever could.
Indeed, as a Catholic University, Notre Dame must ask itself, if by this decision it has chosen prestige over truth.
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adamsapple said:
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President. It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution. The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.

Burning books, restricting free speech, prohibiting ideas that we don’t like - accomplishes nothing except a lack of knowledge.
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We can debate and discuss, without giving the man a bully pulpit and honoring him with a degree. Don’t delude yourself that this is about “dialogue.” Inviting someone to be a commencement speaker is a completely different animal than inviting someone for a debate.

These actions taken by Notre Dame say, “We believe that President Obama is someone worthy of honor.” The actions Obama has taken with regards to the unborn prove that he is not someone whom Catholics should put on a pedestal - regardless of what his apologists may believe.
 
What is the other side of infanticide and murder? There is nothing to understand, either you think murder is OK or you don’t

And God didn’t, Thou shall not kill wasn’t a suggestion, it is a commandment…What part of that don’t you understand?
 
Morwenna said:
Another “no” vote here.

The count so far:

Yes (472 responses)
56.7%

No (361 responses)
43.3%
Code: 
* 833 total responses
Let’s see if we can get the “no” percentage higher! 🙂
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No (791 responses)

I voted no also. The % is now 53.8%/46.2 Over 1100 responses.
 
Morwenna said:
Another “no” vote here.

The count so far:

Yes (472 responses)
56.7%

No (361 responses)
43.3%
Code: 
* 833 total responses
Let’s see if we can get the “no” percentage higher! 🙂
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adamsapple said:
Why isn’t it important?
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Dear Adams, there are other issues of more importance which are apparently beyond the perception of some. Read some of the posts from folks who have no doubt that this invitation is a slap in the face to the Catholic Church and figure it out.
 
adamsapple said:
I would add that Notre Dame should be congratulated for sponsoring the President. It’s only when you understand the other side of the equation that you can find the solution. The students of Notre Dame have an opportunity to understand that other side of the equation. If they are committed to their beliefs and do not agree with President Obama, then now is their opportunity.

Burning books, restricting free speech, prohibiting ideas that we don’t like - accomplishes nothing except a lack of knowledge.
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Yeah, right. Because if Notre Dame doesn’t give this guy a pulpit then his views will remain marginalized and the students will be in the dark. They need to explore how he thinks so they can understand him.

Are you seriously trying to play this card on behalf of the President of the United States? :confused: Now he’s a voiceless victim?

Absolute nonsense.
 
adamsapple said:
This is a totally inappropriate comment. You may not agree with President Obama’s agenda, but he is not Hitler.
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True. Hitler only killed twelve million.

We’ve done much better.
It’s comments like this that turn the rest of American society off to Catholics.
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American society has difficulties with moral truth. Always has. Took us four score and seven years to free the slaves, and that cost 600,000 free persons’ lives.

Americans only start to sit up and listen when it occurs to them that their own souls may be in serious jeopardy. Seems odd in today’s increasingly secular world, but it still seems more or less true. Until you convince them, though, they sit around with their fingers in their ears, whistling loudly.
 
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