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LCMS_No_More
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You can’t prove a negative. Can you show that he DID call people “teabagger?”
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imbroglio
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How is he supposed to provide a source to something Obama did NOT say. If you think he did say it you should provide a source.
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Scott_Lafrance
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This arguement has already been proven and put to bed.
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imbroglio
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He might have used the term while the teaparty used it on themselves. It was only later that the full implication was realized.The power of Google.
I wanted to agree with you that Obama didn’t use that term. I’m frankly surprised he did. He’s usually more eloquent than that.
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imbroglio
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Sorry, All. Next time I’ll try to read further before I post.
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qui_est_ce
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They did not use the term “Teabagger,” to describe themselves. The left has been running with it in a not so very nice way. And they continue to do so.
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Rich_Olszewski
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There is name calling from the left and name-calling from the right. We would be better served if people on both sides were more respectful of each other, especially on this Forum. Obummer is as distasteful as teabagger and terms like those - and plenty others - preclude either side from claiming the high ground.
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qui_est_ce
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I agree. (I haven’t seen Obummer used here, though).There is name calling from the left and name-calling from the right. We would be better served if people on both sides were more respectful of each other, especially on this Forum. Obummer is as distasteful as teabagger and terms like those - and plenty others - preclude either side from claiming the high ground.
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estesbob
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It is interesting to see how you went from Obama didn’t do it to everybody does it. I personally find it far more egregiousthat the leader of the free world would use a derogatory sexually loaded term to describe his opponents than I do anyone else.There is name calling from the left and name-calling from the right. We would be better served if people on both sides were more respectful of each other, especially on this Forum. Obummer is as distasteful as teabagger and terms like those - and plenty others - preclude either side from claiming the high ground.
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LCMS_No_More
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I must say, it’s interesting how we’ve discussed everything BUT what the President said.
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Rich_Olszewski
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I’m glad that there are some limits on the kind of language that is allowed on the Forum. Just think what we’d be reading if the controls were looser or if, say, those who consider themselves “birthers” were allowed to open that sort of a thread - no, threads, dozens of them!!
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qui_est_ce
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This site is so slow it’s making me crazy!I’m glad that there are some limits on the kind of language that is allowed on the Forum. Just think what we’d be reading if the controls were looser or if, say, those who consider themselves “birthers” were allowed to open that sort of a thread - no, threads, dozens of them!!
Yes, I’m glad the mods are pretty strict around here. The comments I read on newspaper stories get completely out of hand and vicious.
I won’t speculate as to what kind of threads would proliferate here, though. I think most here are charitable and knowledgeable.
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Rich_Olszewski
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qui_est_ce
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Call me Polyanna.You perceive those as more charitable than I do.
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Scott_Lafrance
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That’s because most of us are tired of the President picking sides. I thought he was supposed to be the President of ALL of US, not just the ones he likes.
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LCMS_No_More
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You may not realize it, but economically speaking, since you’re NOT the CEO in my signature and without a massive stroke of luck, you never will be. Let’s just realize that. We are actually on the same side. You’ve just been convinced that we’re enemies. We’re not.
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qui_est_ce
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A CEO, a tea party person and a unionized public employee are sitting around a table. There’s a dozen cookies on the table. The -]CEO/-] unionized public employee reaches over, takes 11 cookies and starts to eat them. He looks at the tea party person and snidely warns: “that unionized public employee wants your cookie.”
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LCMS_No_More
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Redacto ad absurdum?
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imbroglio
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Sounds like it to me.
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Monte_RCMS
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In reading at www.anncoulter.com there was a comment posted … excerpted below … turns out it was by Pat Buchanan with some editorializing by someone else. Could not figure out who it was.
Teachers have walked off in wildcat strikes, taking pupils with them. Doctors have issued lying affidavits saying the teachers were sick, a good example of ethical conduct for the school kids.
Thousands of demonstrators have daily invaded the Capitol, chanting, hooting, banging drums. Hundreds have camped out there and refused to leave so the Capitol building can be cleaned.
Is this democracy in action? Is this what 9-year-old Christina-Taylor Green went out to see that Saturday morning in Tucson?
Picketers have carried placards with the face of Gov. Scott Walker in the cross hairs of a gun sight. He has been compared to Hitler, Mussolini, Mubarak. Democrats have fled the state to deny the elected Wisconsin Senate a quorum to vote.
Why is the left behaving with desperation? Because it senses what this battle is all about. Not just about pay, but about power.
The Republicans are not only resolved to guarantee government workers pay a fair share of the cost of their pensions and health care. They are in a purposeful drive to disarm and demobilize the tax-subsidized armies of the Democratic Party and end sweetheart deals between unions and the poodle politicians they put into office.
“Walker wants to end collective bargaining,” is the wail.
Actually, what the governor wants to end is the scandalous practice of powerful unions raising millions and running phone banks and get-out-the-vote operations for politicians who thank them with wages, benefits and job security no private employer can match.
Since the 1960s, government unions have been able to sit behind closed doors with the politicians they put in office and write contracts, the cost of which is borne by taxpayers who have no one at the table.
They call this collective bargaining. A more accurate term is collusive bargaining. And Walker means put an end to the racket.
When Ford sits down with the UAW, Ford negotiators represent the executives, directors and shareholders. Should they give away the store and Ford have to raise prices, and be undercut by Honda, all Ford workers, shareholders and executives suffer.
This is a healthy adversary procedure where Ford and the UAW each represents the interests of those who sent them, and both share a stake in keeping Ford prosperous.
Oracle’s editorial note here—>
Actually, I take exception to Pat’s generous premise here about the auto makers having an adversary procedure with the UAW…why is it that they make Honda’s, Toyota’s, Hyundai’s, VW’s, Mercedes, BMW’s, etc., right here in America for HALF the wages and benefits of the UAW, yet people line up to get those jobs in right to work states?
The UAW DID kill Chrysler and GM, until the ObaMessiah (in a naked payback to his union friends) bailed out the UAW with taxpayer we will never recover…and millions of shareholders and bondholders got screwed in Bankruptcy Court when the Chosen One subverted the proper legal process and the media ignored his doing so.
But hey, what about all of those bank bailouts, you say? The vast majority of THAT money has all been paid back-- WITH INTEREST! It was the Left in Congress which CAUSED the bank problems by requiring sub-prime lending…but the MSM avoids that inconvenient reality also.
When government unions sit down with the politicians they put into office, the relationship is not adversarial. It is not healthy. It is incestuous. And taxpayers must pay the cost of their cohabitation.
Gov. Walker also seeks to end the practice of having the state government collect union dues from state workers.
Indeed, why should a Republican administration collect dues for the benefit of union bosses who constantly labor to see to it those Republicans are not re-elected? Let the unions collect their own dues.
Walker would also require public service employee unions to hold annual elections by secret ballot to determine if state workers want the union to represent them, or if they would prefer to have their deducted union dues put back in their paychecks.
Legislators submit to voters every two years.
Why ought not unions to do the same?
In Wisconsin, the die is cast and Walker cannot yield.
For if he yields, the state and its 3,000 cities, counties, towns and school districts will be forever at the mercy of these unions.
If he yields, it will be a triumph for the tactics of intimidation, wildcat strikes and mass demonstrations to block legislative action.
The senators who fled will come home heroes, and Walker will have broken the hearts of the people who put their faith in him.
If Walker yields, governors and legislators across America will read the tea leaves and back away from taking on government unions. That means higher and higher taxes, as in Illinois, and eventual sinking of the states into unpayable debt and default.
The correlation of forces is in Walker’s favor. Time is on his side. When you are holding a winning hand, you do not offer to split the pot.
strike and criminals ran amuck, and Sam Gompers came to the defense of the cops, Gov. Calvin Coolidge sent a telegram to that founding father of the American labor movement, “There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, any time.”
Scott Walker cannot lose this fight, because his country cannot afford to have him lose it.
Teachers have walked off in wildcat strikes, taking pupils with them. Doctors have issued lying affidavits saying the teachers were sick, a good example of ethical conduct for the school kids.
Thousands of demonstrators have daily invaded the Capitol, chanting, hooting, banging drums. Hundreds have camped out there and refused to leave so the Capitol building can be cleaned.
Is this democracy in action? Is this what 9-year-old Christina-Taylor Green went out to see that Saturday morning in Tucson?
Picketers have carried placards with the face of Gov. Scott Walker in the cross hairs of a gun sight. He has been compared to Hitler, Mussolini, Mubarak. Democrats have fled the state to deny the elected Wisconsin Senate a quorum to vote.
Why is the left behaving with desperation? Because it senses what this battle is all about. Not just about pay, but about power.
The Republicans are not only resolved to guarantee government workers pay a fair share of the cost of their pensions and health care. They are in a purposeful drive to disarm and demobilize the tax-subsidized armies of the Democratic Party and end sweetheart deals between unions and the poodle politicians they put into office.
“Walker wants to end collective bargaining,” is the wail.
Actually, what the governor wants to end is the scandalous practice of powerful unions raising millions and running phone banks and get-out-the-vote operations for politicians who thank them with wages, benefits and job security no private employer can match.
Since the 1960s, government unions have been able to sit behind closed doors with the politicians they put in office and write contracts, the cost of which is borne by taxpayers who have no one at the table.
They call this collective bargaining. A more accurate term is collusive bargaining. And Walker means put an end to the racket.
When Ford sits down with the UAW, Ford negotiators represent the executives, directors and shareholders. Should they give away the store and Ford have to raise prices, and be undercut by Honda, all Ford workers, shareholders and executives suffer.
This is a healthy adversary procedure where Ford and the UAW each represents the interests of those who sent them, and both share a stake in keeping Ford prosperous.
Oracle’s editorial note here—>
Actually, I take exception to Pat’s generous premise here about the auto makers having an adversary procedure with the UAW…why is it that they make Honda’s, Toyota’s, Hyundai’s, VW’s, Mercedes, BMW’s, etc., right here in America for HALF the wages and benefits of the UAW, yet people line up to get those jobs in right to work states?
The UAW DID kill Chrysler and GM, until the ObaMessiah (in a naked payback to his union friends) bailed out the UAW with taxpayer we will never recover…and millions of shareholders and bondholders got screwed in Bankruptcy Court when the Chosen One subverted the proper legal process and the media ignored his doing so.
But hey, what about all of those bank bailouts, you say? The vast majority of THAT money has all been paid back-- WITH INTEREST! It was the Left in Congress which CAUSED the bank problems by requiring sub-prime lending…but the MSM avoids that inconvenient reality also.
When government unions sit down with the politicians they put into office, the relationship is not adversarial. It is not healthy. It is incestuous. And taxpayers must pay the cost of their cohabitation.
Gov. Walker also seeks to end the practice of having the state government collect union dues from state workers.
Indeed, why should a Republican administration collect dues for the benefit of union bosses who constantly labor to see to it those Republicans are not re-elected? Let the unions collect their own dues.
Walker would also require public service employee unions to hold annual elections by secret ballot to determine if state workers want the union to represent them, or if they would prefer to have their deducted union dues put back in their paychecks.
Legislators submit to voters every two years.
Why ought not unions to do the same?
In Wisconsin, the die is cast and Walker cannot yield.
For if he yields, the state and its 3,000 cities, counties, towns and school districts will be forever at the mercy of these unions.
If he yields, it will be a triumph for the tactics of intimidation, wildcat strikes and mass demonstrations to block legislative action.
The senators who fled will come home heroes, and Walker will have broken the hearts of the people who put their faith in him.
If Walker yields, governors and legislators across America will read the tea leaves and back away from taking on government unions. That means higher and higher taxes, as in Illinois, and eventual sinking of the states into unpayable debt and default.
The correlation of forces is in Walker’s favor. Time is on his side. When you are holding a winning hand, you do not offer to split the pot.
strike and criminals ran amuck, and Sam Gompers came to the defense of the cops, Gov. Calvin Coolidge sent a telegram to that founding father of the American labor movement, “There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody, anywhere, any time.”
Scott Walker cannot lose this fight, because his country cannot afford to have him lose it.
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