Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[Robert_Bay]

Thread will remain open as a general survey

Added poll

 

[Demetra2]

My family and I are voting for Romney. I am also pleased to be voting for Paul Ryan. My husband is a college professor with a PhD in Tax/Accounting and he is quite worried about our nation’s incredibly huge debt and deficit. Voting for Romney will hopefully stop this train wreck. More importantly I am appalled at how anti-Catholic, anti-family and pro-abortion Obama is in his first term. I shudder to think what he will do in his second term . I don’t understand how any Catholic with even a small understanding of our current culture could possiby vote for Obama and not feel some shame.

 

[Bballer32]

I can’t vote, but i’m not dumb. I know what Obama is doing and its gonna be a heck of a lot worse than Romney. Obama’s ideas are very very VERY liberal and are even beginning to look like those of Stalin and Hitler.

It is also a mortal sin to vote for someone that supports gay marriage, abortion, embryonic stem cells, etc.

Obama is also VERY anti-gun. With him being president for another 4 years, i won’t be able to hunt or even shoot my bow at targets. If my hunting and 2nd amendment rights get taken away, theres going to be some problems and possibly a rebellion.

As Catholics, i think we need to be liberal conservatives, not conservative liberals.

 

[agnes_therese]

I won’t attack you or your opinion. I will, however, ask what proportionate reasons have you found in a potential Romney Presidency that is greater than 50,000,000 slaughtered innocents, or greater than the attack on traditional marriage, or the attack on religious freedoms? You seem well studied and reasonable, so please tell us what your proportionate reasons are that would make those three issues fall below yours.

This. I cannot vote for someone I KNOW will continue to push abortion “rights.” None of the other issues comes close to the magnitude of the murder of innocents that goes on here every day.

 

[cradlecatholic5]

Also, his VP will be Paul Ryan, a practicing Catholic!

 

[scipio337]

I won’t attack you or your opinion. I will, however, ask what proportionate reasons have you found in a potential Romney Presidency that is greater than 50,000,000 slaughtered innocents, or greater than the attack on traditional marriage, or the attack on religious freedoms? You seem well studied and reasonable, so please tell us what your proportionate reasons are that would make those three issues fall below yours.

+1. I would love to hear that rationale.

Quite simply, I will be voting Romney/Ryan, because Barack Obama’s policies are destroying the US.

He “finally got something done on healthcare”. Yep. He made anti-Catholicism a part of public policy (again), made contracaptives and abortofacients a perpetual “right”, expanded access to abortions, and eroded religious liberty, all in one fell swoop. NOT BETTER THAN THE “STATUS QUO”.

He’s taken “the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression”, and turned it into the longest recovery that never was. 5 TRILLION in new debt, for what? His “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act” will cost $813 Billion, and “create” about 1 million jobs (by generous estimates), and effects are already gone. Do the math on how much per job that is.

Obama’s only plan for the future is “tax the rich”. He has no plans to curb any spending, and is mortgaging future generations to his class-envy world view. The “Buffet Rule” would create $48 Billion in new receipts over 10 years, but his 2013 budget had $6 TRILLION in spending increases (not counting NEW spending) in the same 10 years. Obama has no plans for saving Social Secuirty or Medicare.

I will not stand aside while Obama mortgages the future of my children, while continuing to divide the country between the "you don’t pay your fair share"s, and the receivers.

As Pope Leo XIII wrote in RERUM NOVARUM

And in addition to injustice, it is only too evident what an upset and disturbance there would be in all classes, and to how intolerable and hateful a slavery citizens would be subjected. The door would be thrown open to envy, to mutual invective, and to discord; the sources of wealth themselves would run dry, for no one would have any interest in exerting his talents or his industry; and that ideal equality about which they entertain pleasant dreams would be in reality the levelling down of all to a like condition of misery and degradation. Hence, it is clear that the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal. The first and most fundamental principle, therefore, if one would undertake to alleviate the condition of the masses, must be the inviolability of private property

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

President Obama didn’t “save the auto industry”. GM has been adding jobs at an alarming rate in China, is losing market share and stock value. It’s bleeding losses in Europe. It’s spending billions to ditch its Opel brand there in favor of Chevrolet, including $559 million to put the Chevy logo on Manchester United soccer-team uniforms — and it just fired the marketing exec who cut that deal.

The taxpayers are still on the hook for 500 million GM shares, 26% of the company. We would to sell them at $53 a share to break even with the $49.5 billion bailout. But the stock price is around $20 a share ($24.19 today), and the Treasury now estimates that the government will lose more than $25 billion if and when it sells.

Obama followed the plans of George Bush in troop pullouts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and benefitted from methods he opposed (rendition, waterboarding) in netting bin Laden.

The amount of people on food stamps and disability has increased dramatically under President Obama.

…continued…

 

[scipio337]

…continued…

He’s waged a true “War on Women”, attacking the weakest and most vulnerable among among us, and supports the continued murder of 1 million Americans a year.

From Priests for Life:

On public funding of abortion:

The White House issued a statement attacking the No
Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act (H.R. 3): “If the President
is presented with H.R. 3, his senior advisors would recommend
that he veto the bill.”

Roe v. Wade:

“With one more vacancy on the court, we could be looking at
a majority hostile to a woman’s right to choose for the first
time since Roe v. Wade, and that is what is at stake in this
election.” (01/22/2008)

Funding Abortion Providers:

On his third day in office, President Obama nullified the pro-life
“Mexico City Policy,” making organizations that perform and
promote abortion as a method of family planning overseas
eligible for U.S. foreign aid funds.

“Democrats support access to affordable family planning
services, and President Obama and Democrats will continue
to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned
Parenthood health centers.”
2012 Democratic National Platform, p. 52

Religious Liberty:

“The Affordable Care Act ensures that women have access to
contraception in their health insurance plans, and the President
has respected the principle of religious liberty.”
2012 Democratic National Platform, p. 52

Same Sex Marriage:

“We oppose discriminatory federal and state constitutional
amendments and other attempts to deny equal protection of
the laws to committed same-sex couples who seek the same
respect and responsibilities as other married couples. We
support the full repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage
Act and the passage of the Respect for Marriage Act.”
2012 Democratic National Platform, p. 53

“…at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally
it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think
same sex couples should be able to get married.”

Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Act, which would
have defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

Human Cloning:

As a Senator Pres obama co-sponsored S. 1520 that would have
allowed the cloning of human embryos for research, but
prohibited cloned embryos from being implanted in women
for reproduction. He declared his opposition to “the use of
cloning for human reproduction,” but did not address the
creation of human clones for research purposes.

Embryonic Stem Cell Research:

Approved the use of taxpayer funds for embryonic stem
cell research in March 2009, ending President George W.
Bush’s eight-year ban on funding any research that used
embryonic stem cell lines created after August 2001.

priestsforlife.org/candidates/2012-voter-guide-large.pdf

priestsforlife.org/candidates/2012-party-platform-comparison.pdf

Simply put, the Democratic party has become the “Party of Death” to the point of highlighting it in their platform.

Obama has givent us:

A struggling economy with no plan for recovery.

A “government solution” to those in need, robbing them of dignity (as even President Clinton has put it)

Exponential debt with no end to curb it.

Failed domestic policies on abortion, marriage, attacks on religious liberty.

Floundering foriegn policy, even to the point of assisting groups that actively work against US interest (hello, Muslim Brotherhood?)

As a Catholic, a Christian, an American, and a person of conscience, I can’t find a reason to vote FOR Obama.

I’m definately not better off than I was 4 years ago. My family and I will be voting Romney/Ryan.

 

[Ridgerunner]

So I guess using this rationale we can’t vote for Romney either because of his blasphemy and heretical beliefs. I’m with the others saying they will set this one out.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil!

Horsefeathers!

Cite his “blasphemy” from a credible source.

And every protestant on earth, every Muslim, every Hindu, every Buddhist, everybody but a faithful Catholic is a “heretic” to one degree or another. That would include Nancy Pelosi, who says her support of abortion is underpinned by her “Catholic upbringing”. It would also include Obama who, we are assured, though uncertainly, is a member of the Church of Christ which maintains that the Catholic Church is the “whore of Babylon”.

Just saying Romney somehow supports “evil” is just your opinion. You laid no foundation at all for the conclusion.

 

[livnlern]

+1. I would love to hear that rationale.

Quite simply, I will be voting Romney/Ryan, because Barack Obama’s policies are destroying the US.

He “finally got something done on healthcare”. Yep. He made anti-Catholicism a part of public policy (again), made contracaptives and abortofacients a perpetual “right”, expanded access to abortions, and eroded religious liberty, all in one fell swoop. NOT BETTER THAN THE “STATUS QUO”.

He’s taken “the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression”, and turned it into the longest recovery that never was. 5 TRILLION in new debt, for what? His “American Recovery and Reinvestment Act” will cost $813 Billion, and “create” about 1 million jobs (by generous estimates), and effects are already gone. Do the math on how much per job that is.

Obama’s only plan for the future is “tax the rich”. He has no plans to curb any spending, and is mortgaging future generations to his class-envy world view. The “Buffet Rule” would create $48 Billion in new receipts over 10 years, but his 2013 budget had $6 TRILLION in spending increases (not counting NEW spending) in the same 10 years. Obama has no plans for saving Social Secuirty or Medicare.

I will not stand aside while Obama mortgages the future of my children, while continuing to divide the country between the "you don’t pay your fair share"s, and the receivers.

As Pope Leo XIII wrote in RERUM NOVARUM

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html

President Obama didn’t “save the auto industry”. GM has been adding jobs at an alarming rate in China, is losing market share and stock value. It’s bleeding losses in Europe. It’s spending billions to ditch its Opel brand there in favor of Chevrolet, including $559 million to put the Chevy logo on Manchester United soccer-team uniforms — and it just fired the marketing exec who cut that deal.

The taxpayers are still on the hook for 500 million GM shares, 26% of the company. We would to sell them at $53 a share to break even with the $49.5 billion bailout. But the stock price is around $20 a share ($24.19 today), and the Treasury now estimates that the government will lose more than $25 billion if and when it sells.

Obama followed the plans of George Bush in troop pullouts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and benefitted from methods he opposed (rendition, waterboarding) in netting bin Laden.

The amount of people on food stamps and disability has increased dramatically under President Obama.

…continued…

Well said, on this and your following post. I haven’t liked, trusted, or respected Obama since he ran for President the first time. And he’s proven my instincts to be correct. He’s been a walking disaster for our nation and will be even worse if he gets re-elected.
Will definitely vote for Romney, although I wish Paul Ryan was at the top of the ticket instead. But Romney will do.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I will vote for Romney for all of the reasons that Matt25 won’t vote for him.

 

[JimG]

I can’t vote for Obama because of:

• --his entrenched pro-abortion policies,
• --his support of Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the nation
• --his support for same sex marriage, undermining family and society,
• --his attack on religious liberty through the HHS mandate. Catholics are in particular danger, but everyone’s religious liberty is threatened.
• --his lack of action to bring down the national deficit, which threatens to sink the nation into a long term economic depression. All the government assistance in the world will be useless when the debt bubble bursts.

Romney is preferable on all of these issues.

 

[qui_est_ce]

…continued…

He’s waged a true “War on Women”, attacking the weakest and most vulnerable among among us, and supports the continued murder of 1 million Americans a year.

From Priests for Life:

On public funding of abortion:

Roe v. Wade:

Funding Abortion Providers:

Religious Liberty:

Same Sex Marriage:

Human Cloning:

Embryonic Stem Cell Research:

priestsforlife.org/candidates/2012-voter-guide-large.pdf

priestsforlife.org/candidates/2012-party-platform-comparison.pdf

Simply put, the Democratic party has become the “Party of Death” to the point of highlighting it in their platform.

Obama has givent us:

A struggling economy with no plan for recovery.

A “government solution” to those in need, robbing them of dignity (as even President Clinton has put it)

Exponential debt with no end to curb it.

Failed domestic policies on abortion, marriage, attacks on religious liberty.

Floundering foriegn policy, even to the point of assisting groups that actively work against US interest (hello, Muslim Brotherhood?)

As a Catholic, a Christian, an American, and a person of conscience, I can’t find a reason to vote FOR Obama.

I’m definately not better off than I was 4 years ago. My family and I will be voting Romney/Ryan.

This is why I’m voting for Romney. Even if you don’t like him, you must vote Obama out.

 

[mommyof4]

I am voting third party though I am not yet sure who. Maybe a write in.

What’s that you say? No chance of winning? Thrown away vote?
Not if it expresses my preference and that is what voting is all about.

Me too. Just not sure who.

 

[Rence]

Catholic teaching says not to vote for those that support intrinsic evils such as homosexual marriage, abortion and embryonic stem cell research. Obama supports all of the above and he supports the religious liberty infringing HHS mandate which has 29 lawsuits, many from the Catholic dioceses and institutions. Bishops have also spoken of the problems with the Obama health care law which has lack of conscience protection and allows federal funds to pay for abortion among other issues

Actually, Catholic teaching also says this from Cardinal Ratzinger himself:
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/cdfworthycom.htm

[N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.]

I think Matt did a pretty good job listing reasons tha were relevant to him, and I’m betting many more.

 

[Don_Jackson]

Horsefeathers!

Cite his “blasphemy” from a credible source.

And every protestant on earth, every Muslim, every Hindu, every Buddhist, everybody but a faithful Catholic is a “heretic” to one degree or another. That would include Nancy Pelosi, who says her support of abortion is underpinned by her “Catholic upbringing”. It would also include Obama who, we are assured, though uncertainly, is a member of the Church of Christ which maintains that the Catholic Church is the “whore of Babylon”.

Just saying Romney somehow supports “evil” is just your opinion. You laid no foundation at all for the conclusion.

All Mormons are heretics based on the belief that Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith…hardly an apparition the Holy Catholic Church views as legitimate.

All Mormons blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, by (while acknowleding the Holy Spirit as part of the “Godhead”, do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit as literally being the same being or substance as the Father and the Son (source: www.mormonnewsroom.com (search for Mormonism 101: FAQ).

So, his faults are as grave as Obama’s, hence the lesser of two evils claim that the lesser is still evil!

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I’m with the others saying they will sit this one out.

Me, too.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I will either not vote or vote third party, most likely vote in local and state election and to blazes with the national one.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

This is why I’m voting for Romney. Even if you don’t like him, you must vote Obama out.

I generally of the opinion that regardless which of the two plants win the election, there will be some changes in the window treatments, but the furniture will stay the same. I MUST abide by my conscience, and my conscience tells me than neither of them deserve the office for which they are running.

 

[Ridgerunner]

All Mormons are heretics based on the belief that Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith…hardly an apparition the Holy Catholic Church views as legitimate.

All Mormons blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, by (while acknowleding the Holy Spirit as part of the “Godhead”, do not acknowledge the Holy Spirit as literally being the same being or substance as the Father and the Son (source: www.mormonnewsroom.com (search for Mormonism 101: FAQ).

So, his faults are as grave as Obama’s, hence the lesser of two evils claim that the lesser is still evil!

All protestants are “heretics” based on the belief in salvation by faith alone. All protestants are heretics in believing that personal interpretation of the bible is inerrant “for them”. All protestants are heretics in believing that the bible precludes calling a priest “father”. All protestants are heretics in believing that neither the Church nor any organization or person has any authority to teach faith and morals.

All Orthodox, according to you, are “heretics” because they do not accept the Catholic concept of the Immaculate Conception or the Holy Spirit. (Remember the “filioque” argument?) So, to you, the Orthodox are blasphemers too.

All Muslims are heretics because they believe Jesus was merely a prophet, not the son of God. Same with all Jews. That would also be blasphemy on their part.

So, you can’t vote for anybody but a Catholic who is fully faithful to the teachings of the Church. That would certainly preclude Barack Obama because he is just as big a heretic as Romney is, and because his actions are massively immoral, such as support for homosexual “marriage” and abortion. It would also preclude every Democrat officeholder who purports to be Catholic with the possible exception of Joe Manchin, though even he might not be truly faithful to the teachings of the Church. There is an argument about that.

So, I guess Paul Ryan is the only person you can vote for.

 

[exoflare]

You’re going to get a lot more Romney supporters because the vast majority on this forum are political conservatives.

Or because this is, you know… a Catholic forum and people kind of frown upon sinning.

Not that you have to vote for Romney, but at least the people sitting it out or voting 3rd-party haven’t sinned by doing so.