Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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CMatt25 said:
Yes we’ve been over these things countless times. We don’t agree on most of it is all including what temporary cut means. Just because you didn’t see my answer or don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean I didn’t answer. I’ve addresed taxes, no longer spending the amount of money we have for over a decade now on war, cutting defense, the need for revenue along with cuts. I’m not naive enough to think we can balance the budget on the backs of the poor and the middle class without asking the rich to sacrifice more unless we unduly want to harm the poor and middle class. I’ve discussed issues I am more concerned about and a government role in providing some services than I am concerned about the rich. Peace.
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No, you have never answered. Just because you provided some circular argument and claim “I answered” doesn’t mean you did answer.

You haven’t addressed spending. You havent addressed the 2013 budget proposal. The solvency of Social Security and Medicare (imminently tied to the budget).

You’re asking “the rich” to “sacrifice more”, but its all tempest in a teapot. The “sacrifices” you propose by the rich amount to exactly 0.7% of proposed increases.

Even if you cut ALL military spending to $0 (including VA pension, 1/3 of the FBI Budget, satellite funds for NASA, etc), you’d still only come down to have $5 Trillion in increased spending in the next decade.

Not logical.
 
scipio337 said:
No, you have never answered. Just because you provided some circular argument and claim “I answered” doesn’t mean you did answer.

You haven’t addressed spending. You havent addressed the 2013 budget proposal. The solvency of Social Security and Medicare (imminently tied to the budget).

You’re asking “the rich” to “sacrifice more”, but its all tempest in a teapot. The “sacrifices” you propose by the rich amount to exactly 0.7% of proposed increases.

Even if you cut ALL military spending to $0 (including VA pension, 1/3 of the FBI Budget, satellite funds for NASA, etc), you’d still only come down to have $5 Trillion in increased spending in the next decade.

Not logical.
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An aside. What difference does it make whether he answers you or not or whether or not he ducks your questions? As folks sometimes remind me, “Rich, this isn’t a court of law.” 🤷
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
An aside. What difference does it make whether he answers you or not or whether or not he ducks your questions? As folks sometimes remind me, “Rich, this isn’t a court of law.” 🤷
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But hey, this is the internet, and the internet is important! 😉
 
Lapey said:
No lies, no false statements, just a link to the reasons I will vote for Romney/Ryan. Please, I beg you, read all of it.

ct.dio.org/bishops-column/59-think-and-pray-about-your-vote-in-upcoming-election/text.html
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I would be abdicating this duty if I remained silent out of fear of sounding “political” and didn’t say anything about the morality of these issues. People of faith object to these platform positions that promote serious sins…
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God bless you for posting this. Bishop Paprocki was my bishop before I moved from Illinois, and a great man of faith.

Yet there are some who hate him for that faith.

dailykos.com/story/2012/09/26/1136749/-Bishop-Paprocki-Voters-who-support-Democratic-Party-candidates-are-voting-for-intrinsic-evils
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
An aside. What difference does it make whether he answers you or not or whether or not he ducks your questions? As folks sometimes remind me, “Rich, this isn’t a court of law.” 🤷
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You are exactly right here, this is not a court of law…this is much bigger and critical than that. A court room holds nothing to what awaits our distrust of God and disobedience. How long will God continue to bless our nation as we ask Him?
 
???

I heard about this website “Unskewed Polls”, guess what? They have Romney in a favorable position.

Still, we are at about 40 or 39 days to election, need to pray and be watchful more than anything in my humble view!

unskewedpolls.com/
 
CMatt25 said:
Yeah a couple of yrs ago I myself was seriously considering 3rd party this year for President. No public option and another thing or two sort of discouraged me. So maybe the Greens I thought. And I did vote 3rd party in my state’s governor’s race last time. I think 3% of us did for various candidates and a Tea Party candidate got in during that one midterm wave by a percentage pt. I realize all of us might not have voted for the same major candidate anyway or what the breakdown would have been otherwise so not sure if it affected the race. But then being here, prayer and watching the Republicans debate this yr helped me to decide to vote for Obama too. Peace in your decision.
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As we are enjoined to fraternal correction, one who votes for Obama will be complicit in the deaths of the innocents. No way around that, no matter how one wiggles and dances.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Logic?

How is a lost vote for one an automantic vote for the other when neither of them gets it?
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The original poster stated they were voting fora third party candidate,whom they felt reflected a true conservative platform.That vote,would in fact take away from Romney,since he is the Republican frontrunner.Conversly,if someone who felt Obama wasn’t leftist enough,which by the way is a near impossibility,and voted in a third party who was more
Iiberal,that vote would be taken from Obama.😉
 
I’ve looked into the Constitution Party, I can’t knock their platform. Should the Republicans come up short, I would consider them a viable alternative. Just read the Constitution Party and Virgil Goode does seem like a good person but I will vote for the one who stands a better chance of reaching the Presidency.

One can read their platform, they are a part of the old American Independent Party who they split from. Allen Keyes ran on that party ticket.

Constitution party is also a balance the National Debt as soon as possible party. Something is going to have to be done about this debt sooner or later, better sooner.
 
Jeanne_S said:
The original poster stated they were voting fora third party candidate,whom they felt reflected a true conservative platform.That vote,would in fact take away from Romney,since he is the Republican frontrunner.Conversly,if someone who felt Obama wasn’t leftist enough,which by the way is a near impossibility,and voted in a third party who was more
Iiberal,that vote would be taken from Obama.😉
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Conservatives tell me that a no vote is a vote for Obama and my liberal friends tell me that a no vote is a vote for Romney. Go figure. :hmmm:
 
Lapey said:
There is only one truth and He is Jesus Christ, everything else is RELATIVE.

If this is my faith, and the other perspective is yours, how many faiths are there? Is there more than one truth? Is there more than one Jesus?
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Amen!This political debated for a few has evolved into an exercise in moral relativism.They have their truth…as Catholics,we all have the Truth,the fullness of which is expressed in our Catholic faith,instituted by the Truth,Our Lord,Jesus Christ:)
 
johnnyjones said:
Think this > something in the Romney column is better than nothing in either candidates column.
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Something in the Romney column is better?

Yeah, well said for a Romney supporter. Well Michael Mayo and myself are NOT Romney supporters.

Personally, I would view it as a violation of my conscience to vote for Romney or Obama. Both men have persecuted the Catholic Church. Both men are responsible for forcing Catholic hospitals to sin (IE: Scandal). It behooves me that we picked the only GOP candidate with an anti-Catholic record to be our nominee.

But, what’s done is done. If our system nominates two people who have wronged the Catholic Church, I say: that’s not a system I want to participate in.

Virgil Goode 2012. Always 100% pro-life. $0 in PAC money.

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Thank you for telling us how to think too.
 
BroomWagon said:
???

I heard about this website “Unskewed Polls”, guess what? They have Romney in a favorable position.

Still, we are at about 40 or 39 days to election, need to pray and be watchful more than anything in my humble view!

unskewedpolls.com/
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And as they say… The only poll that counts is that one on Nov. 6th
 
Semper_Zelare said:
Something in the Romney column is better?

Yeah, well said for a Romney supporter. Well Michael Mayo and myself are NOT Romney supporters.

Personally, I would view it as a violation of my conscience to vote for Romney or Obama. Both men have persecuted the Catholic Church. Both men are responsible for forcing Catholic hospitals to sin (IE: Scandal). It behooves me that we picked the only GOP candidate with an anti-Catholic record to be our nominee.

But, what’s done is done. If our system nominates two people who have wronged the Catholic Church, I say: that’s not a system I want to participate in.

Virgil Goode 2012. Always 100% pro-life. $0 in PAC money.

P.S.
Thank you for telling us how to think too.
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That’s kinda spooky about Virgil.:eek:

His PAC money intake is exactly equal to his chances of being elected.:eek::D;)
 
scipio337 said:
No, you have never answered. Just because you provided some circular argument and claim “I answered” doesn’t mean you did answer.

You haven’t addressed spending. You havent addressed the 2013 budget proposal. The solvency of Social Security and Medicare (imminently tied to the budget).

You’re asking “the rich” to “sacrifice more”, but its all tempest in a teapot. The “sacrifices” you propose by the rich amount to exactly 0.7% of proposed increases.

Even if you cut ALL military spending to $0 (including VA pension, 1/3 of the FBI Budget, satellite funds for NASA, etc), you’d still only come down to have $5 Trillion in increased spending in the next decade.

Not logical.
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CMatt25 always ducks the question and the available facts.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
That’s kinda spooky about Virgil.:eek:

His PAC money intake is exactly equal to his chances of being elected.:eek::D;)
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Well… if it’s about the means and not the ends…

Virgil Goode will have ran a decent campaign.

Romney and Obama are guaranteed to have run a corrupt campaign.

Is corruption necessary for political victory? Because, my answer to that question convinced me never to get into politics.
 
Semper_Zelare said:
Something in the Romney column is better?

Yeah, well said for a Romney supporter. Well Michael Mayo and myself are NOT Romney supporters.

Personally, I would view it as a violation of my conscience to vote for Romney or Obama. Both men have persecuted the Catholic Church. Both men are responsible for forcing Catholic hospitals to sin (IE: Scandal). It behooves me that we picked the only GOP candidate with an anti-Catholic record to be our nominee.

But, what’s done is done. If our system nominates two people who have wronged the Catholic Church, I say: that’s not a system I want to participate in.

Virgil Goode 2012. Always 100% pro-life. $0 in PAC money.

P.S.
Thank you for telling us how to think too.
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You may need to scroll back to see what the discussion was with another poster.

But, being that you appear anti Romney as a catholic, the church demands we vote for the 'lesser of evils". So, you have the man who is okay with puncturing a babys head in or out of the womb and the man who is against it. Big dilemma?

I’d rather be broke, ragged ,homeless and ill but know that unborn babies may be saved. And I have been.
 
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