Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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Michael_Mayo said:
It is the voters who determined who is electable.

Of course most voters prefer to act like sheep and limit their choice to the offerings of the two dominant parties.

I see no obligation to do so.
In no way do I buy the distorted logic that a vote for third party is a vote for Obama.
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A third party vote may be a principled vote but, in reality, it is a wasted vote to pull the lever for an also-ran.
 
You have excellent points. I’m trying to keep up with all the news and I would like to have a better choice : ). As for a Jew running for president - I would indeed vote for a Jew running for president but the difference between a Jew and a Mormon is more than I can post here. Neither Romney nor Obama is who I would really like to run our country but I guess I can’t base my vote on just the abortion issue. Yes, I realize that the president appoints Supreme Court Justices but even with more Republican appointed Justices (I think I’m right in saying that) we still have not overturned Roe v Wade. Electing a Republican in hopes of stopping Abortion or same-sex marriage is a vain hope. But then again, I may change my mind as things progress. It’s the toughest election I have ever had to decide. In fact, I have never been this torn. I really am praying for America no matter who gets elected. Thank you for giving me more information to think about. Peace.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
So lets vote “outside the box” so to speak.

To go along with those holding us hostage is to cooperate with them.

The truth is that if more people had the courage to vote beyond the two dominant parties we would have better options.
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Something to consider,however not this election when the future of our children and grandchildren is at stake.Changing the system as it is currently will require a lot of planning ahead,a protest vote here and there is not pragmatic.Not now,not if you want our great country to remain,One Nation Under God…
 
Personanongrata said:
You can ask that of just about anyone.

IMO, Mormonism and Scientology to not equal Christianity. So I find it really strange that evangelicals are so quick to “hold their nose”, look the other way and back Romney.

It’s a dealbreaker for me. Although I am an Obama supporter, if I were not - I still could not support Romney because of his religion. America needs a President, not a prophet.
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kookieduck said:
Electing a Republican in hopes of stopping Abortion or same-sex marriage is a vain hope.

I really am praying for America no matter who gets elected. Thank you for giving me more information to think about. Peace.
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What we need is a cultural conversion.
I am not sure we are at all capable of that.
 
Laura Ingraham made a comment a while back…If Romney can’t beat Obama in this economy,then The Republican Party needs to shut down and reorganize…get back to their true conservative roots…Food for thought.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
What we need is a cultural conversion.
I am not sure we are at all capable of that.
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Walker and Republicans defunded Planned Parenthood in Wisconsin, Christie and Republicans defunded PPH in New Jersey.

So yes, stopping abortions has happened in these two states, Romney Ryan take the bold stance of pledging to defund PPH nationally.

The Democrats/Obama held up the budget a few years ago even at the expense of not paying the military for their pet project Planned Parenthood.

3rd party supporters simply like to say rhetoric but it doesn’t play in the real world.
 
kookieduck said:
A question I have to ask: has ANY Republican president stopped abortion?

I’m not for abortion or same-sex marriage but I also am not for oppressing the poor and I can not support a non-Christian as leader of our country. So I’ll probably be voting for Obama. I will then be praying that America does not turn her back on Israel.🙂
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No - he needs Congress to agree. To eliminate abortion the house and senate must be pro-life. Sadly, they are not.
 
buffalo said:
No - he needs Congress to agree. To eliminate abortion the house and senate must be pro-life. Sadly, they are not.
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Even if both were pro life majorities, we’d still need a president that is wiling to SIGN LAWS that at least LIMIT aboriton…and Obama WON’T DO THAT
 
stevegravy said:
He loves the poor so much welfare rolls are ballooning. Way to go for America’s A#1 film critic.

The economy isn’t doing better. We are now the end result of 6 trillion spent by the government , that it didn’t take in,(it is called a deficit) while the clown at the Federal Reserve has put us through QE1, QE2 and has promised us unending QE3. The Stock market is up and housing sales slightly up because of almost free money.

IT IS CALLED A BUBBLE. AND believe it or not it is the very same thing that got us in trouble to start with.

As far as new jobs, this film critic in chief, (RE: recent flatulence at the UN) has put more people on disability then the economy has put to work. If not for all the folks who stopped looking for jobs the unemployment rate would be better then 15%.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=715241

So, while the Ambassador to Libya body is being drug through Benghazi, our film critic is partying in Vegas. It is clear to me, we get to choose between dumb and dumber.

But, “Ain’t that America, ….Little pink houses for you and me. “

This is living proof of academic brain washing if this is from a prof. in some U. or college.
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A vote for Obama is a vote to increase mother government dependency from 100 million to 150million? Maybe he can get it to 2/3 the population if given enough time. 😦
 
Jeanne_S said:
Laura Ingraham made a comment a while back…If Romney can’t beat Obama in this economy,then The Republican Party needs to shut down and reorganize…get back to their true conservative roots…Food for thought.
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Trillions have been spent to handout candy to the masses. Taking that candy back is real difficult.

The dem vote is bought and paid for - for a long time.
 
jediliz said:
Even if both were pro life majorities, we’d still need a president that is wiling to SIGN LAWS that at least LIMIT aboriton…and Obama WON’T DO THAT
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Right you are. But a bill cannot even advance to the president as it is now.
 
Ridgerunner said:
No, but Bush certainly curtailed funding for it, and his two appointments to the Supreme Court voted, along with three other Republican appointees at least upheld the ban on partial birth abortion. Obama, of course, not only supports partial birth abortion, but twice voted not to save infants born alive as the result of a botched abortion. Takes a very cold man to do that. Even NARAL wouldn’t go that far, and didn’t.
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I’m not for abortion at all and if I thought Romney could overturn Roe v Wade I would vote for him. But does abortion have to be the only issue? A non-Christian who basically stated that he despises the poor doesn’t seem to be a very good choice for president. But then Obama isn’t perfect either! Whew! Everyone here brings up great points for voting for Romney AND for voting for Obama. Scary times for America. If I were a begger on the side of the road with a tin cup in my hand I wonder which man would help me?
 
Ridgerunner said:
Obama is adding 17 million more people to the Medicaid rolls. It’s already hard for the poor who rely on Medicaid to get treatment because the reimbursement is so poor that providers limit those patients. No cruelty in that?

The chief actuary for Medicare says that in a few years, due to Obama’s looting of Medicare to support Obamacare, Medicare reimbursement will be less than that for Medicaid. A lot of Medicare patients (including those on SS Disability) are poor. No cruelty in that?

Obama has changed the reimbursement rules for Medicaid to increase it for “well care” at the expense of “chronic care”. People on Medicaid with chronic health conditions are the poorest people on Medicaid. No cruelty in that?
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And these are only some of the many discrepancies which make the assertion that Obama is “the social justice candidate” a mockery of the very concept. God is not fooled.

People have both the right and resposibility to vote for whoever aligns most closely with their moral beliefs and practical judgment. Sometimes there will be only be louts for candidates, on all sides, and the choices will be limited to practical ones. That may be true in this election, but one thing can be determined factually, not subjectively: Barack Obama’s policies, in sum, do not represent Catholic social justice. Anyone who thinks that he does represent Catholic social justice has a very poor understanding of Catholic social doctrine. And that deducible conclusion (about him) is apart from the life/ marriage/ family issues.

Addressing his supporters:
Vote for him because you like the guy, like his family, like big government, like the populist Leftist assumptions of MSNBC and the deconstruction of traditional social pillars, think his foreign policy is grand…Whatever.

But do not tell well-educated Catholics on this discussion forum that the domestic policies of our current president are a synonym for Catholic social justice, and that you, rather than those who claim otherwise, are supporting the “moral” candidate. It’s not only inaccurate; it’s offensive.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
So lets vote “outside the box” so to speak.

To go along with those holding us hostage is to cooperate with them.

The truth is that if more people had the courage to vote beyond the two dominant parties we would have better options.
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I do have the courage, but I also have enough common sense to realize that when it’s all said and done and until there is a viable candidate, (can compete to win) the morning after I would vote for the magical 3rd party person, my vote would have had absolutely nothing to do with anything except not be counted. I’d like to ask you folks who find virtue in voting the symbolic 3rd party vote, in this case where there is a distinct difference in the category of life in this race, if there is an Obama win by 2% and the 3rd party candidates get 5 to 6% of the vote, how does that vote help the cause of protection of life? For that matter, how does it protect the rights of the poor? Poverty has grown under Obama. There is absolutely nothing positive in this first term to point to, except for the feeling Chris Matthews has running up his leg. (Skin just crawled):o

There are two people who can win, have the courage to pick one who most represents your views and vote for him.
 
kookieduck said:
I’m not for abortion at all and if I thought Romney could overturn Roe v Wade I would vote for him. But does abortion have to be the only issue? A non-Christian who basically stated that he despises the poor doesn’t seem to be a very good choice for president.
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He said he despises the poor? Link please.
If he despises the poor so much, how come he gave $4mil to charity in 2011 alone?
But then Obama isn’t perfect either! Whew! Everyone here brings up great points for voting for Romney AND for voting for Obama. Scary times for America.** If I were a begger on the side of the road with a tin cup in my hand I wonder which man would help me?**
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Mitt Romney, because there will be less beggars on the side of the road. They will be working.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
It is the voters who determined who is electable.

Of course most voters prefer to act like sheep and limit their choice to the offerings of the two dominant parties.

I see no obligation to do so.
In no way do I buy the distorted logic that a vote for third party is a vote for Obama.
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Doesn’t really matter what you see, matters onlt what reality is; Ros Perot got Bill Clinton elected.
 
kookieduck said:
I’m not for abortion at all and if I thought Romney could overturn Roe v Wade I would vote for him. But does abortion have to be the only issue? A non-Christian who basically stated that he despises the poor doesn’t seem to be a very good choice for president. But then Obama isn’t perfect either! Whew! Everyone here brings up great points for voting for Romney AND for voting for Obama. Scary times for America. If I were a begger on the side of the road with a tin cup in my hand I wonder which man would help me?
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I heard nothing that says he despises the poor.

Yes, abortion is a prime issue. There can be no quality of life to discuss if there is no life. So it is on top. A country who kills its most helpless and innocent cannot be counted upon to really care about the poor, now can they?
 
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