Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

[HansTrappist]

Left Hand Path, Right Hand Path: both paths lead to Hell.

The choice this election is between two candidates who support the intrinsic evil of abortion to varying lengths.

The choice this election is between two warmongering Israeli-Saudi Firsters. Not much of a difference if you ask me. The only difference is is rhetoric, but that point is moot given their records on all the important issues.

And how does Romney get around the fact that he was a Bishop in the Mormon Church? That should have disqualified him from day one.

It is really quite sad that people would even consider voting for either of these two frauds.

 

[Al_Moritz]

You mischaracterize the criticism of Romney by Democrats. We do not oppose Romney because of his wealth. We are not envious of his success. We think his policies favor the wealthy and continue the transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the wealthy over which Republicans. In addition, Republican policies with respect to foreign policy, energy, the environment, regulation, etc., are opposed by Democrats.

Precisely.

 

[Al_Moritz]

I must admit, Al, you are giving one great example of ideological blindness!!! Thanks for the teaching moment.

Of course you would say that, shrug.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

You mischaracterize the criticism of Romney by Democrats. We do not oppose Romney because of his wealth. We are not envious of his success. We think his policies favor the wealthy and continue the transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the wealthy over which Republicans. In addition, Republican policies with respect to foreign policy, energy, the environment, regulation, etc., are opposed by Democrats.

Did you misread my statement concerning my belief that Romney wants to raise all boats, rather than transfer wealth from the middle class to the rich? I disagree with your analysis of Romney’s economic policies. Democratic talking points without substance. Obama, on the other hand, wants to transfer wealth from the rich and upper middle class to his true constituents on the lower end of the economic scale. I say we do what we can to make everyone wealthier, which is what Romney hopes to do.

 

[He_Man]

Well, I’m talking about his remarks about the ‘47%’ of course. It’s been quoted in the news, in blogs and in newspapers all over. As one person put it, it was the rich getting together and complaining about the help. But not every charity is for the poor. Maybe he gave it to the Humane Society - a worthy charity but doesn’t help the poor much except for low cost spaying and rabies shots. Also, not every beggar is ABLE to work! I remember once I went to a poor country south of us as a child and was shocked to see people with no limbs, blind, etc. begging on the roadside. As an American I had never seen that! Of course now we have lots of homeless. But I think you can judge a country by the way they treat the least among them. If every person on goverment assistance were to suddenly be forced in the workplace how do you think they would fare? Could they even afford clothes to interview in? To work every day in an office? There is more to it than ‘get a job loser’.

Don’t deal in theory, deal in facts. What has Obama done to help the poor? And do you realize that if the debt becomes unsustainable, there will be No help for the poor. None.

That is charity?

 

[exoflare]

When has any democrat stopped the poor from existing? By all economic measurables, they worse now than in 2008. How does this logic only get applied to one side?

Your first mistake was assuming they use logic.

 

[Tampa_Dave]

Your first mistake was assuming they use logic.

It must be interesting living in “Socialist” USA, exoflare. Where is that? MA?

 

[Lapey]

I agree with all of this.

I am neither a liberal nor a rich-basher.

The only thing is, those who have always lived in a wealth bubble like Mitt Romney do not understand the inconveniences and economic struggles of everyday life that most of us go through. This is not a problem in itself – yet when you run for President, it is a problem since it guides, or misguides, your policies.

What post? This??? You have taken the opportunity to put down Romney and an out of touch rich guy who know not how to care because of his “wealth bubble” upbringing. But you ignore everything that others bring here to refute this. I said you appear envious, and I stand by that.

Please look at their actions, not listen to their words. I can say I am the best person to ever live, but if I do not live this way people will put me where I belong. Romney has lived his life caring for people and his family and you site the article that in '94 he made a bad joke. Then to make it worse the fact that he personally bought tens of thousands of dollars of milk anonymously mind you, is a bad thing. How???

Yes he did this anonymously, the VET home had to discover this on their own, it was not divulged by Romney.

Everything he has done gets turned around by the media, case in point. Did you hear the latest “gaff” on his part? This is where in Ohio yesterday, he had to stop the crowd from hollering “Ryan, Ruan, Ryan…” to make them say, “Romney/ Ryan, Romney/Ryan…” This is still being reported on MSNBC and NBC. Only one problem, it is an outright lie to the true events and how they happened. Bet you didn’t hear that one.

Yes, NBC, once again, doctored the tape; the crowd was screaming, “Romney” and Romney himself redirected them to say Romney/Ryan, because he had just introduced Ryan. So instead of showing Mitt Romney as the gracious candidate that he is, NBC & MSNBC doctored the event tape and lied about it, and still are because nobody in the mainstream media will touch it. Sad times we live in, sad.

 

[qui_est_ce]

27Sep2010: Obama -3 (48 to 51) on the economy. Among committed voters: -14

Midterm landslide

27Sep2012: Obama -3. C.V.: -14

Draw your own conclusions

:extrahappy:

 

[sedonaman]

What about the ones who’ve done nothing for this country and have only stayed home “clipping coupons”? Believe it or not, there are wealthy people today who just live off the wealth earned a hundred or so years ago by some great-great grandfather or such.

What about them? I wouldn’t say the have done nothing for this country. They provided capital so busninesses could hire workers. The idle rich have been known to contribute their time to charitable causes as opposed to sitting home just clipping bond coupons.

What would you have the government do? Tailor the tax system to fit every possible situation and to satisfy the envious?

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“Some of us may want to see a definition of what is ‘fair.’ But a concrete definition would destroy the versatility of the word, which is what makes it so useful politically. If you said, for example, that 46.7 percent of their income – or any other number – is the ‘fair share’ of their income that the rich should have to pay in taxes, then once they paid that amount, there would be no basis for politicians to come back to them for more – and ‘more’ is what ‘fair share’ means in practice. Life in general has never been even close to fair, so the pretense that the government can make it fair is a valuable and inexhaustible asset to politicians who want to expand government.” – Dr. Thomas Sowell

 

[Al_Moritz]

Yes, NBC, once again, doctored the tape; the crowd was screaming, “Romney” and Romney himself redirected them to say Romney/Ryan, because he had just introduced Ryan. So instead of showing Mitt Romney as the gracious candidate that he is, NBC & MSNBC doctored the event tape and lied about it, and still are because nobody in the mainstream media will touch it.

Source for the doctoring claim?

 

[exoflare]

It must be interesting living in “Socialist” USA, exoflare. Where is that? MA?

I’m in Texas. We were kind of late to the party.

 

[qui_est_ce]

ALL other issues matter nothing? In trying to understand Mormons I found this link: carm.org/hinckley-says-mormons-believe-different-jesus this really doesn’t matter to you compared to abortion?

CARM is an extremely anti-Catholic website.

carm.org/mass-and-sacrifice-christ

Typically, the Roman Catholic will say that the Mass is not a re-sacrifice. But it is difficult to conclude otherwise when we examine what the official Roman Catholic documents say. Therefore we surmise that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it must be a duck.

We can see that the Bible tells us Christ offered himself once and that there is no need for repetition of his sacrifice. The failure of the Roman Catholic Church has been to distort the biblical doctrine of the Lord’s Supper into a constant and repetitious sacrifice of Christ. It should be plain to the reader that the Roman Catholic position is not only unbiblical but anti-biblical.

We at CARM humbly request that the Roman Catholic not put his or her faith in the Mass but instead turn to the one and true sacrifice of Christ, by faith, and look to Jesus alone and not a human institution that offers a repetitious sacrifice. We are made right by the blood of Christ, not by the offering of a Roman Catholic priest who changes the bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Christ.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Source for the doctoring claim?

I’m still waiting for your source that I live in a “right wing bubble” and haven’t experienced the trials of the “real world.”

 

[Al_Moritz]

I’m still waiting for your source that I live in a “right wing bubble” and haven’t experienced the trials of the “real world.”

I’m not going to get into a discussion of your private life, which I don’t know, vs. economic statistics.

 

[qui_est_ce]

You mischaracterize the criticism of Romney by Democrats. We do not oppose Romney because of his wealth. We are not envious of his success.

Alan-
The last couple of pages of this thread have been “Romney is out of touch because he lives in a rich bubble who’s daddy bails him out.” We are providing evidence that this is not true.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m not going to get into a discussion of your private life, which I don’t know, vs. economic statistics.

You accused me of living in a right wing bubble, and you don’t want to get into a discussion?

You need to retract that statement then.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

CARM is an extremely anti-Catholic website.

carm.org/mass-and-sacrifice-christ

What they said isn’t “anti-Catholic.” It’s their misunderstanding of what we believe and an exhortation to become “Bible-believing” Christians. IMO. of course.

 

[Al_Moritz]

You accused me of living in a right wing bubble, and you don’t want to get into a discussion?

You need to retract that statement then.

No I don’t. The broader economic statistics are the issue in a political discussion, not your private life and your subjective experience of the economy.

My subjective experience of the economy is great when it comes strictly to my personal situation. I have a great, exciting job in a biotech company, and the company has barely been touched by the recession. Does that mean that my personal subjective experience of the economy is relevant to the economic statistics? Guess what, it’s not – obviously. By the same token, my personal experience would not be relevant either if it had been miserable. And if it had been miserable it could also have happened in a great economy.

Ergo, the only thing that counts for rationally judging an economy are the broader economic statistics, not personal anecdotes – as painful as these may be.

 

[BroomWagon]

1st debate?? Next Wednesday I hear.