Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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It’s the same old tired excuses for not voting as a Catholic that I’m sick of hearing. Man up. Vote, and help the unborn even if it’s in the slightest way.
 
Al_Moritz said:
You’re welcome.

What I really think about the GOP is close to what a former GOP operative describes. The article has confirmed my worst suspicions:

truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3079:goodbye-to-all-that-reflections-of-a-gop-operative-who-left-the-cult

About the author:
Mike Lofgren retired on June 17 after 28 years as a Congressional staffer. He served 16 years as a professional staff member on the Republican side of both the House and Senate Budget Committees.
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It’s an interesting read. Thanks for sharing it. That said, it is one man’s personal opinion and reflection, and he isn’t a fan of Democrats either. His favorite politician? Eisenhower.

If his rant leads you to vote for more debt, less religious freedom and the continued killing of innocents, I find that sad. Even if you accept his rant 100%, because he is telling you what you want to hear, you can’t tell me with a straight face that Obama has been an effective president…well, perhaps you can…some people are really skilled at that…
 
rlg94086 said:
It’s an interesting read. Thanks for sharing it.
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I am glad you found it interesting.
That said, it is one man’s personal opinion and reflection, and he isn’t a fan of Democrats either.
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Of course not, he is still a Republican. By the way, I am not a fan of all that Democrats do either, and his criticism of them is for the most part spot on.
If his rant leads you to vote for more debt, less religious freedom and the continued killing of innocents, I find that sad. Even if you accept his rant 100%, because he is telling you what you want to hear, you can’t tell me with a straight face that Obama has been an effective president…well, perhaps you can…some people are really skilled at that…
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Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. That is what makes the free world great.
 
johnnyjones said:
It’s the same old tired excuses for not voting as a Catholic that I’m sick of hearing. Man up. Vote, and help the unborn even if it’s in the slightest way.
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You stated the issue bluntly and correctly. As Catholics, we must vote our faith.
 
CMatt25 said:
You’re going to get a lot more Romney supporters because the vast majority on this forum are political conservatives.

But I’m voting for Obama: Wow there are so many reasons it’s not even close for me. Here are several but not an exhaustive list.

If we don’t change the House of Representaives, I want a check and balance to the Tea Party and much of what today’s Republican Party stands for.

Obama finally got something done on healthcare. The sick with pre existing conditions before Obamacare could be denied health care coverage. And too many people in the richest nation on earth have gone without adequate healthcare because they do not have employer health care coverage or do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. This has always been a disgrace to me when other industrialized countries have been able to provide their citizens with universal healthcare and the richest on nation has failed miserably at doing so. Obamacare is not perfect. I’d have preferred single payer or a public option. But is better than the status quo.

I totally reject the Paul Ryan budget which was supported by nearly every Republican. I want Paul Ryan nowhere near the White House. Like Sister Simone of the Catholic faith and the other nuns on the bus, I will not sit back and do nothing to try to stop such severe cuts to programs affecting the poor. I completely reject a philosophy that it is moral to cut food stamps, to cut healthcare and programs like Headstart. While the Republicans increase defense spending and refuse to even come to the table if it means asking the wealthiest among us to pay a little more in the form of a tax rate increase. I will not stand aside while the Republicans try to balance the budget on the backs of the poor and the middle class without asking more sacrifice from the rich. I also oppose the Medicare plan Ryan had in his budget.

Obama inherited the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Look up how many jobs per month we were losing before he took office. We’ve been gaining jobs for many months under Obama. No one claims we are where we need to be but the economy is turning around compared to where it was and I’m willing to give it more time.

The auto industry is alive.

The Iraq war is over. And Obama has a plan in place to bring troops home from Afghanistan. While Romney did not even mention Afghanistan in his convention speech. The expense of these 2 wars has been tremendous. And I fear the same neo cons who advised George W Bush advise Romney.

I’m glad because of President Obama children of immigrants, young people who know our country as their home and who pledge alliegance to the same flag I do, today are not living in fear of deportation.

Osama Bin Laden was found under the direction of this Commander in Chief.

There’s more but that’s quite a number of my reasons.
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:thumbsup:GREAT POST MATT!👍

Peace, Carlan
 
So when is Mitt going to get ahead in the polls?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
Personanongrata said:
So when is Mitt going to get ahead in the polls?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?
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If you’re talking about the national polls - Romney is - if you look at the Rasmussen polls that don’t oversample Democrats or use models based on 2008 turnout.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
If you’re talking about the national polls - Romney is - if you look at the Rasmussen polls that don’t oversample Democrats or use models based on 2008 turnout.

Ishii
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lol, Romney is not winning this election.
 
We can’t post political cartoons, and this link won’t work after today, but check out the “He said there’d be bumps” cartoon on RealClearPolitics today (right hand side…item 1): realclearpolitics.com/ 😃
 
Al_Moritz said:
Correct.
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II. THE FORMATION OF CONSCIENCE

1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

1784 The education of the conscience is a lifelong task. From the earliest years, it awakens the child to the knowledge and practice of the interior law recognized by conscience. Prudent education teaches virtue; it prevents or cures fear, selfishness and pride, resentment arising from guilt, and feelings of complacency, born of human weakness and faults. The education of the conscience guarantees freedom and engenders peace of heart.

1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.55
 
This is correct.

III. TO CHOOSE IN ACCORD WITH CONSCIENCE

1786 Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.

1787 Man is sometimes confronted by situations that make moral judgments less assured and decision difficult. But he must always seriously seek what is right and good and discern the will of God expressed in divine law.

1788 To this purpose, man strives to interpret the data of experience and the signs of the times assisted by the virtue of prudence, by the advice of competent people, and by the help of the Holy Spirit and his gifts.

1789 Some rules apply in every case:
  • One may never do evil so that good may result from it;
  • the Golden Rule: "Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them."56
  • charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience: "Thus sinning against your brethren and wounding their conscience . . . you sin against Christ."57 Therefore "it is right not to . . . do anything that makes your brother stumble."58
 
IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT

1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one’s passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.

1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.

1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith."60

The more a correct conscience prevails, the more do persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and try to be guided by objective standards of moral conduct.61
 
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