Obama vs Romney, who are you voting for and why?

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Actually what is “stunning” to me is the tone of some of these posts. I don’t agree with many of you, but I truly hope that I have never come off in a post as questioning your intelligence-telling you that you simply don’t “understand” or insinuating in any way that you are not a “faithful Catholic”. Deciding who is and is not a “faithful Catholic” or who is fully using their intelligence is FAR above my pay grade and if I have done that any way, then please accept my sincere apologies.

I think it would be nice if we could all remember that no matter what political views we hold, at the end of the day we are ALL children of God and we have been commanded to treat others as we wish to be treated.

For the remaining days, I promise to read over my posts carefully before hitting reply and make sure that I would be happy to have the same things said about or to me.
 
Actually what is “stunning” to me is the tone of some of these posts. I don’t agree with many of you, but I truly hope that I have never come off in a post as questioning your intelligence-telling you that you simply don’t “understand” or insinuating in any way that you are not a “faithful Catholic”. Deciding who is and is not a “faithful Catholic” or who is fully using their intelligence is FAR above my pay grade and if I have done that any way, then please accept my sincere apologies.

I think it would be nice if we could all remember that no matter what political views we hold, at the end of the day we are ALL children of God and we have been commanded to treat others as we wish to be treated.

For the remaining days, I promise to read over my posts carefully before hitting reply and make sure that I would be happy to have the same things said about or to me.
I agree and forgive me if I’ve overstepped my bounds. We cannot judge someone because we cannot know what is in their heart be we do know what is morally acceptable by God’s law and what is not.
 
So let me get this straight-even if a candidate (not necessarily Romney, but any candidate) simply SAYS that they are Pro life, all Catholics MUST vote for them?

What is it, a magic formula? Say the right words and a whole block of voters will run to the polls for you?

If that’s what your conscience dictates, I’m certainly not going to try and force you to do otherwise, but I would hope that you’d think that through before you vote for someone who says the right words and you ignore everything else they do.
You have to vote your conscience. If one man says he is pro life and the other man says he wants to kill the unborn without restrictions, you make the call and live with it. With such a serious issue as our faith and the lives of the unborn, we are in no position to go against the pro life person just because our FEELINGS are that he might not really mean it.

Again, don’t vote feeling or opinions, the church says vote your conscience and your faith. Read the Catholic voters guide please. ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm
 
Catholics who would vote for mr. planned parenthood make me angry. Americans who would vote for a prez who basically ignored Chris Stevens’ death at the hands of terrorists make me see red. And that’s a fact.
I’m sorry to hear that. 🙂
 
Obama finally got something done on healthcare.
And has made a bad situation much worse. Governmental intrusion into the free market, specifically in the housing market, was a huge contributor to the recent financial crash.

The Affordable Care Act has already INCREASED the cost of health care dramatically.
And too many people in the richest nation on earth have gone without adequate healthcare because they do not have employer health care coverage or do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.
Or because they refused to pay for it. As is their right, as free persons. Or worse, because government regulation prevented the insurance companies from selling lower cost health insurance plans.

But in truth, we are not that rich a nation. Our national debt is 16 trillion dollars, in large part because of how wasteful the Obama administration and the Democratic party have been in their stewardship of our national wealth.
This has always been a disgrace to me when other industrialized countries have been able to provide their citizens with universal healthcare and the richest on nation has failed miserably at doing so.
And those nations are on the verge of bankruptcy. Bankruptcy will reduce their ability to “provide” “universal healthcare” to near zero.

However, if you feel that you have been remiss in your charitable giving, especially to Catholic Hospitals, that is between you, your confessor, and God.

It is not the right of any Catholic to judge you. Just as it is not your right to judge any other person’s giving.
Obamacare is not perfect. I’d have preferred single payer or a public option. But is better than the status quo.
You prefer a system that violates your conscience, is much more expensive, and that has increased the speed at which this country is sliding into bankruptcy?

That is your choice, of course. But you could choose to give to hospitals, if that is your wish, after voting for the most Libertarian Candidate in existence. Voting for a Democratic administration reduces your freedom; your God given liberty.
I totally reject the Paul Ryan budget which was supported by nearly every Republican. I want Paul Ryan nowhere near the White House. Like Sister Simone of the Catholic faith and the other nuns on the bus, I will not sit back and do nothing to try to stop such severe cuts to programs affecting the poor.
Except that bankrupting the country will cut every program intended to help the poor to near zero.

More importantly, the Ryan budget is in fully conformance with Catholic Social Justice teaching, while Democratic programs violate the principle of Subsidiarity. But in practical terms, his budget, if passed, has a good chance of saving these programs, while the trajectory the Democrats have put us on will destroy them.
While the Republicans increase defense spending and refuse to even come to the table if it means asking the wealthiest among us to pay a little more in the form of a tax rate increase.
Because the “rich” already pay way, way more than their fair share. By Catholic Social Teaching, we should stand in solidarity with the poor, and of course, they should stand in solidarity with us. Class warfare of this type does not promote solidarity. It does the exact opposite.

Treating the rich as some kind of slave is not solidarity, it isn’t fair, and it certainly isn’t justice.

The Democratic strategy is to destroy solidarity by breaking us into a large number of small, squabbling groups, to pit us against each other, and to foment anger, if not outright hatred.
I also oppose the Medicare plan Ryan had in his budget.
Which means in effect you oppose saving that program from being cut by the Democrats by a much greater percentage.
Obama inherited the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
Created, in great part, by the Democratic parties meddling in the free market.

And then President Obama promptly made the problem worse, and has kept it from getting better.
Look up how many jobs per month we were losing before he took office.
Unemployment was a little bit more than 7% before he took office.

Under Obama’s stewardship, it rose to nearly 10, and has never been under 8% since.
We’ve been gaining jobs for many months under Obama. No one claims we are where we need to be but the economy is turning around compared to where it was and I’m willing to give it more time.
I’m not. President Obama has failed at nearly everything he promised to do, and what he has done has been disastrous.
I’m glad because of President Obama children of immigrants, young people who know our country as their home and who pledge alliegance to the same flag I do, today are not living in fear of deportation.
You support his President eve though you KNOW he has violated his oath of office, and the rule of law? The oath the President takes requires him to uphold the law. You know he has violated that oath, and still propose to vote for him?

And this is just one example of this behavior. DOMA, the HHS mandate, and others show that this is not just a misunderstanding, or a one time occurrence.

Beyond his party’s support for three intrinsic moral evils, this President has made great “progress” towards destroying this countries most important political safe guards, and the most fundamental rule of good government: a government of laws, not men.

No one should support this man for any political office. If judged objectively on his record, he is the worst President in US history.
 
Yup… its mind boggling how anyone can think that obama did anything good. And he has no problem killing babies. 😦
Al, gas prices HAVE doubled, oil rigs and coal mines have been shut down, Christians of conscience have been kicked in the teeth, solar industry campaign bundlers have been paid off, $800B failed stimulus, hundreds killed in a heinous gun giveaway to drug cartels, including Border Agent Brian Terry, failure to protect embassies on 9/11 after warnings, etc, etc. The list is endless. Obama is on your team, I understand, and you too are entitled to your opinion. Err…what is so bad about Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan again? :confused:
 
I highly recommend watching this interview of Bob Woodward on Larry King
Woodward is a journalist with integrity who has had deep access into WH, Congress & Senate.

**Larry King Now **hulu.com/watch/400941
 
So you disagree with the USCCB’s statement (see above) about “other morally grave reasons”, and you disagree with Cardinal Ratzinger (the current Pope)?
I disagree with your perception of their words. You use what you like to back up your views. You do not look at the full story. You pick just what you like then leave everything else alone, just like the CCC which you totally disregard because you know in your head that you are right an we live in a right wing bubble. The readings from last weekend fit here. Wisdom 2:12

“The wicked say:
Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us;
he sets himself against our doings,
reproaches us for transgressions of the law
and charges us with violations of our training.”

You know too much to listen to anyone except the people who agree with you. Everyone else lives in a bubble.
 
I disagree with your perception of their words. You use what you like to back up your views. You do not look at the full story. You pick just what you like then leave everything else alone, just like the CCC which you totally disregard because you know in your head that you are right an we live in a right wing bubble. The readings from last weekend fit here. Wisdom 2:12

“The wicked say:
Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us;
he sets himself against our doings,
reproaches us for transgressions of the law
and charges us with violations of our training.”

You know too much to listen to anyone except the people who agree with you. Everyone else lives in a bubble.
Hello Pot, meet kettle.

None of us wants to admit that we pick and choose our evidence to support our own opinions but that’s exactly what we do. None of us wants to admit that we seek out people that think like us to listen to on th radio, watch on TV and hang around with in real life. Like finds like in all aspects of life. It’s what we do as humans.
 
I disagree with your perception of their words. You use what you like to back up your views. You do not look at the full story. You pick just what you like then leave everything else alone
I disagree with your perception of their words. You disregard what you don’t like in them because it does not fit your views. You do not look at the full story. You pick just what you like then leave everything else alone.
 
The Affordable Care Act has already INCREASED the cost of health care dramatically.

You prefer a system that violates your conscience.
FYI the Affordable Care Act is not to be fully implemented until 2014. It’s still 2012. 🤷 We can’t possibly judge it’s affect yet on the cost of healthcare beyond 2014 in 2012.

And trust me universal health care in the form of single payer or a public option does not violate my conscience whatsoever. Wherever you got that idea is beyond me.

Much of the rest of your post was your political opinion of which you are entitled. Peace.
 
Hey they finally got up to 30 votes for Obama on this thing. One for every piece of silver.
 
Hey they finally got up to 30 votes for Obama on this thing.
Which only proves what we’ve been saying all along. That 2/3 to 3/4 of posters here are Republican or vote that way. I doubt if many of my comrades 😃 are all that surprised. I know I’m not.
 
Hello Pot, meet kettle.

None of us wants to admit that we pick and choose our evidence to support our own opinions but that’s exactly what we do. None of us wants to admit that we seek out people that think like us to listen to on th radio, watch on TV and hang around with in real life. Like finds like in all aspects of life. It’s what we do as humans.
I cannot disagree more with such sweeping (and in my opinion, condemning as well) statements. If you feel that way about yourself (and I hope you do not), you are not in a position to know whether others do or do not try to employ some objectivity in making voting decisions. I posted about that earlier, on this or another thread. I was raised to consider good citizenship to include the consideration of needs beyond my own and beyond my “opinions.” Rather, I was raised to become educated about all the facts prior to voting on whatever issues were current, and to consider the effect on society, of my votes, not just the effects on myself. I was raised not to use emotional judgment about issues on which I was submitting a vote in an election. I was not raised to use “selective evidence,” as you put it. That’s a pretty cynical view of human nature, i.m.o.

That is, it is not that some people do not do that. I’m sure many do. But to say that “all of us do” and “in all aspects of life” is something else entirely.

I have often voted against my own narrow interests, in favor of the wider good for society. I have done so painfully at times. (Including taxing myself for a civic good, sometimes when I did not directly benefit from that good.) I don’t consider myself some heroine for doing so, because I know for a fact that many others do so as well. I consider that responsible citizenship.

And I consider responsible Catholicism to include not distorting statements of current and former popes, bishops, and cardinals in an effort to rationalize voting decisions which clearly miss the moral mark in core Catholic teachings. And that has included having to struggle with discomforting statements from the hierarchy, before most elections. Again, I am hardly alone in this. Many people seek out truth non-selectively.

It is true that we cannot entirely clear our subjectivity from our perception, but that is not the same thing as suggesting that no one seeks truth apart from what comforts themselves, pleases themselves, or serves themselves. Many do, certainly not “all.”
 
“if this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor,either we have to pretend Jesus was as selfish as we are, or we’ve got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and admit that we just don’t want to do it”. Stephen Colbert .
Why do you tie this with taxes and Govt programs? It’s not christian to continue programs that are broken, that don’t work. Being a christian requires exercising free will, it requires making the decision to tithe to the church and your local charities. It requires personal involvement.

Voting that the 1% should pay for your belief of govt charity is just wrong, and no way Christian. The good samaritan provided first person help, he didn’t call in someone else to do his charity work.
 
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