Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

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Oh the binders comment, women being part of meaningful converstion, snicker.
“I said: ‘Well, gosh, can’t we find some women that are also qualified? And so we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks?’ And they brought us whole binders full of women.”
— Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney during presidential debate, Oct. 17, 2012
washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-romneys-binders-full-of-women-anecdote/2012/10/18/42f4cd38-18cb-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_blog.html

Let’s see, women’s income has declined and unemployment has risen since Obama took the presidency.

But what else would we expect to hear!
 
Democrats see women as being nothing but sex objects, we’ll pay for birth control so you can have all the sex you want and we will pay for your abortions.
And yet the women don’t see this truth because they are blinded by the lies. It is really quite sad.
 
And yet the woman don’t see this truth because they are blinded by the lies. It is really quite sad.
Their income has declined, their unemployment has risen.

There was a gender gap but I think they said more married women supported Romney. I’m not certain but this seems to fly into the usual spiel we hear.

In the primary of West Virginia, that Federal Inmate got 40% of the Democrat vote because Obama apparently doesn’t care about the jobs of the miners in West Virgina.

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/federal-prisoner-fares-well-in-west-virginias-democratic-primary/

This is about compassion alright!

Our country has been ripped off from having a caring president.
 
Romney was right with the idea, wrong with the number. It’s impossible to reason with 51% of the population. To these people, Obama could do absolutely ANYTHING he wants and this 51% will not question him in any way as long as they get their Obama bucks. Don’t you see how greedy this is? People will sacrifice their morality - if they ever had any to begin with - for a little bit of money. It is so sad.
 
Especially since the doctrine of the Catholic Church requires us to attend Mass.
If you attend Mass seldomly (such as Christmas and Easter), then you are no longer Catholic. In the Eastern Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church, if you miss Liturgy for three consecutive weeks, you have automatically excommunicated yourself. I think it is the same for the Latin Catholic Church. Of course, you can return to communion after repentance and confession…but you must continue to attend Liturgy.
 
Romney was right with the idea, wrong with the number. It’s impossible to reason with 51% of the population. To these people, Obama could do absolutely ANYTHING he wants and this 51% will not question him in any way as long as they get their Obama bucks. Don’t you see how greedy this is? People will sacrifice their morality - if they ever had any to begin with - for a little bit of money. It is so sad.
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Very good. I think Romney could have gotten the numbers. As said actually McCain got 3,000,000 more votes and lost by more. Obama got 10,000,000 fewer votes this time.

But it’s still obvious and we are going to have one class of people paying for the others.
 
Our country has been ripped off from having a caring president.
You got that right. He cared about only one thing…getting elected. He did anything he had to do or say to get elected. He ran the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen in my lifetime. He did the same thing to Hillary in his primary.

And the people fell for it hook line and sinker…over and over again!!!
 
It sound like they both chose wrong… I would never vote for the lesser of two evils.
 
I would never vote for the lesser of two evils.
Blessed Pope John Paul II taught in Evangelium Vitae that it is legitimate for a legislator to vote for a more restrictive law regarding abortion over a less restrictive law. He wrote: “This does not in fact represent an illicit cooperation with an unjust law, but rather a legitimate and proper attempt to limit its evil aspects, in order to prevent worse legislation from being adopted.”

the Jesuit moralist Father Henry Davis wrote in the 1930s, “It is sinful to vote for the enemies of religion or liberty, except to exclude a worse candidate, or unless compelled by fear of great personal harm, relatively greater than the public harm at stake.”
 
30 years of total differences, but don’t go back 12 years?

Roe vs. Wade was 39 years ago? going on 40? 'Notwithstanding that for 30 years, every Repub appointment but one has been prolife? 12 years ago, up to 4 years ago, we had 7 Republican appointed justices and 2 appointed by Democrats. 2 of those appointments was by GWB. GWB in office 8 years, 2 with Republican controlled house and senate, and a 7 to 2 majority? 7 but 1 wasn’t pro life. That leaves 6 to 3. What happened that it didn’t come up during those 8 years? I mean what good is it to ‘stack’ the court and nothing happens?
I’m talking about today. Want to talk about Plessy vs. Ferguson and how many of the justices that justified segregation were Repubs or Democrats then? The Dred Scott decision maybe? 40 years ago, back at the dawn of time, there were lots of liberal Repubs. Remember all that? Some of them were more liberal than a lot of Democrats back then in the days of bell-bottom pants and shag rugs. Probably even had a few Dixiecrats left over. Probably back then there were even some prolife Democrats left too.

Let’s talk about now and what the Repub party and the Dem party are now. For the last twenty years, there has been not one prolife Democrat appointed to the Court. There has been no Repub appointee who is not prolife during the same period. For the past thirty years, there was only one abortion supporting republican appointee, now gone, and every single Democrat appointee has been, including the last two.

You can’t justify your equivilating of the two parties of today on 40 year old stuff. Why anyone would persist in insisting that they’re no different today when they clearly and dramatically are very different is inexplicable in the absence of simply wanting to feed moral ennui.

Yes, I do realize there’s a lot of that coming out of Democrat sources nowadays, and we have seen a lot of it on here. It’s their present strategy. But neither you nor I are obliged to buy into it or defend it to others or ourselves.

Personally, I prefer not to despair or to counsel it either.

Oh yes, I have to go to other things now. Have the last word if it pleases you. Just don’t quote me selectively if you quote me. Much inadvertent mischief is sometimes done by selectively doing that.
 
You are right to do catechize at home. If more Catholic parents did that, we would not be seeing Catholics voting for abortion-promoting politicians, nor would we be seeing so many virtually unchurched Catholics or so many leaving the Church. I salute you for your efforts!
Thank you, but it’s very hard when you weren’t catechized when you were a child of the 70s. “God is love, go paint a rainbow” is what I learned. I’m trying though…
Democrats treat women as though they are a meaningful part of intelligent adult conversation? That’s not how I feel when I’m being told to “vote with my lady parts.”
I agree. I voted with my lady smarts, not my lady parts.
Romney was right with the idea, wrong with the number. It’s impossible to reason with 51% of the population. To these people, Obama could do absolutely ANYTHING he wants and this 51% will not question him in any way as long as they get their Obama bucks. Don’t you see how greedy this is? People will sacrifice their morality - if they ever had any to begin with - for a little bit of money. It is so sad.
I agree with this too. What a sad culture we live in now.
You got that right. He cared about only one thing…getting elected. He did anything he had to do or say to get elected. He ran the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen in my lifetime. He did the same thing to Hillary in his primary.

And the people fell for it hook line and sinker…over and over again!!!
I was dumbfounded when that happened to Hillary. I couldn’t believe the dirty campaign he ran against her, and then when he took her delegates from Michigan and Florida? Very dirty politics.
 
And yet the women don’t see this truth because they are blinded by the lies. It is really quite sad.
Really, so Republicans don’t speak to women as intelligent says Seekerz.

Okay, now Republicans have at least 2 Women Governors, Nikki Hailey from South Carolina and Susanahh Martinez of New Mexico, one is of Indian descent, one is a Hispanic.

Um, how good is Seekerz point here?? Um, where are the women governors of the Democrat party?? Crickets??
 
You have a very twisted way of discussing these issues. You are not of the US, so you have no fight here. Is the baby in the womb a life? Is the life human? Is human life sacred? How does this differ from laws against murder? The only difference is the human life in the womb has no one who speak for him/her. I will, and again you can speak for the selfishness of the mother, the law maker, and the voter who votes in the president who has shown that he will increase abortion by his record, not by others words.
On the contrary it is you who are twisting things to falsely charge lawmakers. Our Lord Himself gave a clean chit to Moses but blamed the people for indiscriminate divorce. Who are you to blame lawmakers for the sins of aborting mothers? Whether the state penalises or not, the sinner is responsible for his/her own sins. DO NOT TWIST THIS IRREFUTABLE FACT.
If you believe God is the reason for the glow in Obama’s face, then this illustrates the twisted view of reality.
If you cannot see God’s hand in Obama’s victory that is not my fault. Why do you discredit my vision?
 
On the contrary it is you who are twisting things to falsely charge lawmakers. Our Lord Himself gave a clean chit to Moses but blamed the people for indiscriminate divorce. Who are you to blame lawmakers for the sins of aborting mothers? Whether the state penalises or not, the sinner is responsible for his/her own sins. DO NOT TWIST THIS IRREFUTABLE FACT.

If you cannot see God’s hand in Obama’s victory that is not my fault. Why do you discredit my vision?
My vision is that the pro-abortion and man who voted for infanticide is allied more with Lucifer. He doesn’t care about the jobs for a lot of people to where a prisoner received 40% of the vote in the West Virginia primary vs. Obama.

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/federal-prisoner-fares-well-in-west-virginias-democratic-primary/

You have your view. Might as well come out with something as outrageous.

There have been evil rulers too like Herod!
 
On the contrary it is you who are twisting things to falsely charge lawmakers. Our Lord Himself gave a clean chit to Moses but blamed the people for indiscriminate divorce. Who are you to blame lawmakers for the sins of aborting mothers? Whether the state penalises or not, the sinner is responsible for his/her own sins. DO NOT TWIST THIS IRREFUTABLE FACT.

If you cannot see God’s hand in Obama’s victory that is not my fault. Why do you discredit my vision?
You should try to learn your faith. if you are Catholic like your profile shows you should know about material cooperation, direct cooperation, etc.

I think your second comment speaks for itself.:rolleyes:
 
Or it’s in line with what the Catechism teaches us on ‘consciences’.
I don’t think so, but you study this and so will I and we can talk tomorrow. But I doubt you will find anything like the gramatically incorrect statement from Fr. Serpa. I don’t think he is misspeaking, I think it is a simple typo.

1776 "Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."47

I. THE JUDGMENT OF CONSCIENCE

1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.

1778 Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law:

Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise. . . . [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ.50
1779 It is important for every person to be sufficiently present to himself in order to hear and follow the voice of his conscience. This requirement of interiority is all the more necessary as life often distracts us from any reflection, self-examination or introspection:

Return to your conscience, question it. . . . Turn inward, brethren, and in everything you do, see God as your witness.51
1780 The dignity of the human person implies and requires uprightness of moral conscience. Conscience includes the perception of the principles of morality (synderesis); their application in the given circumstances by practical discernment of reasons and goods; and finally judgment about concrete acts yet to be performed or already performed. The truth about the moral good, stated in the law of reason, is recognized practically and concretely by the prudent judgment of conscience. We call that man prudent who chooses in conformity with this judgment.

1781 Conscience enables one to assume responsibility for the acts performed. If man commits evil, the just judgment of conscience can remain within him as the witness to the universal truth of the good, at the same time as the evil of his particular choice. The verdict of the judgment of conscience remains a pledge of hope and mercy. In attesting to the fault committed, it calls to mind the forgiveness that must be asked, the good that must still be practiced, and the virtue that must be constantly cultivated with the grace of God:

We shall . . . reassure our hearts before him whenever our hearts condemn us; for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.52
1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53

II. THE FORMATION OF CONSCIENCE

1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

1784 The education of the conscience is a lifelong task. From the earliest years, it awakens the child to the knowledge and practice of the interior law recognized by conscience. Prudent education teaches virtue; it prevents or cures fear, selfishness and pride, resentment arising from guilt, and feelings of complacency, born of human weakness and faults. The education of the conscience guarantees freedom and engenders peace of heart.

1785 In the formation of conscience the Word of God is the light for our path,54 we must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. We must also examine our conscience before the Lord’s Cross. We are assisted by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, aided by the witness or advice of others and guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church.55
 
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