Obama won Catholic vote, regular churchgoers chose Romney [CC]

[JimG]

In any case, it seems to me that the Obama win seals the fate of unborn children for at least a generation. He has been the most abortion friendly president in history, and I don’t expect that to change. I expect he will appoint supreme court justices who support his views favorable to abortion.

And I don’t expect that he will make much if any attempt to control the national debt. And not paying attention to the debt could lead to economic depression, which will do nobody any good.

And I hope that he will not continue his war against the Catholic Church, but I expect that he will.

 

[Marie5890]

SHAME ON THEM!
They are now in MORTAL SIN as is everyone who voted for ANY Democrat

How do you know that they are in mortal sin? Do you understand what conditions need to be met to meet that threshold?

 

[lonelypetunia]

well THIS devout Catholic/Seminary candidate voted for Obama. and yes, i am in Church every sunday, multiple times a week, also praying in front of the Blessed Sacrement, praying my Rosary, saying my Divine Office, etc. yes, i am pro life too. believe it or not, we exist. i voted for him not because of his stances on maintaining the status quo on abortion, but in spite of it, and i voted because of the social issues. I just try to be the best Catholic i can be, and counsel others about moral issues when appropriate. God Bless.

I really appreciate you posting this. I voted for Obama as well. I did not vote for him because I agreed with his policies on everything, I don’t. I truly wish we had a better pick then we did. I voted for him based on social issues. I felt the republicans did not have the poor and most needy in our country in their best interests. It was in my opinion they don’t care and actually are repulsed by the needy and poor. I was really offended by the 47% remark Romney made. I refuse to believe that 47% are just looking for a handout. I truly believe in helping those less fortunate, they aren’t throw aways, and given a chance and some help can rise up to contribute in so many ways. I grew up poor and it was the kindness and social programs in place that allowed me to rise above my situation. I have a good job, I own a house, I pay taxes, I also believe that kindness that was shown to me needs to be put back into the world. It’s easy to say I got mine go get your own. I can’t do that, because if I wasn’t helped in my time of need I wouldn’t be where I am today.

 

[livingwordunity]

I don’t see how any Catholic could possibly vote for Obama-- I was never a fan of his but when I heard on the radio about a situation when he was a State Senator there is NO WAY I could even think of voting for him.
Apparently a bill was brought up in their Senate(I think it must have been Illinois a/c I believe he comes from Chicago) that if an abortion didn’t turn out right (the baby was alive) the doctor could try to keep the baby alive – and Obama voted AGAINST the bill – how could he??? – the baby was alive!!! it was a baby!!! Unbelievable!!!

“I will not yield, and Planned Parenthood will not yield.” - Obama

There’s no one more extreme on allowing abortions than Obama.

 

[epan]

Noted.

Your source is mistaken.

The source claims:

But as can be clearly seen by a brief search of the legislation text for the quotes, the source is wrong.

Here is the text of the bill so you can check for yourself.
ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sbgroups/sb/900SB0230LV.html

It’s the Washington post, claiming to check the facts. I take no responsibility for their accuracy. The gist of it was that the accusers were fabricating some things. Surprise. Also that the president did not sign the first bill because he saw it as an attempt to undermine roe v wade. When the bill was resubmitted, his objections had been addressed in the bill, but he still did not let the bill get out of committee. They point out that they don’t see why he still blocked it at that point, and that his explanation is questionable.

 

[Megan7]

Even NARAL did not oppose the bill! Obama did!
Top 10 Reasons Obama Voted Against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

Thank you.

 

[Prieldedi]

The abortions don’t stop in the USA. They go to all the world through the United Nations, heavily funded by the American Government. Abortions are happening in Latin America, in Africa, in Asia, promoted by UN agencies.

Where I live poverty is rampant, yet few would think of aborting, besides here abortion is a crime punished by law. A poor has a tomorrow… and aborted baby’s life is terminated.

Here we have 70% of our population living with less than 3 dollars a day, yet young couples get married and become parents. Think about Jesus and Mary: how much did Joseph earn a day? What were their belongings? Did Jesus go to school? Did He have health insurance, a dentist, a doctor? Did He ask King Herod to care for the poor, or did He ask us to do it?

Why in the name of God, when planet Earth has reached its highest technological development, man has fallen so low in his moral values? My ancestors lived in colonial USA and never ever expected George Washington to hand them food or housing. This unhealthy philosophy was born almost 100 years ago with the apparition of communism in Russia. The Virgin of Fatima (paraphrasing) said that Russia would pour out her woes (communism, death) on the world and now it has permeated into the American Society.

Living in a Third World country and having experienced Russia’s woes, Marxism (call it socialism, communism, etc.), and having seen Cuba, Chile, North Korea, China, Vietnam, Uganda and others fall under the spell of communism, I was sure the USA had no need to trip over the same stone. But the saying goes that fools extend their hand to the snake to see if it really bites. Animals can’t learn experience from other animals because they can’t communicate, but man can learn experience from another man, and we tell you, the snake bites! Believe us, don’t be fools, don’t extend your hand to the snake!

I really don’t understand how Americans of good will can’t see that liberal politicians that sell you social programs (they will continue to create more and more programs, it’s never ending), are really buying your precious freedom and keeping poor from getting out of poverty. My offer is, if Cuba is just 90 miles away… why don’t socialist imitate Cubans who want to live in the USA and build rafts and swim the other way, to Cuba, to the socialists paradise of the Americas? Go there and experience that paradise before bringing its lies to the USA. Go, it’s just 90 miles away from Key West. Have a nice trip.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

39% of regular churchgoers did not have a preference for Romney.

The CNN exit polls showed a clear preference for Romney (59- 39%) among voters who attended church services weekly, and an even more pronounced tilt toward Obama (62-34%) among those who never attended services.

 

[bekalc]

I’m really not surprised by people asserting their Catholicism and at the same time being pro-choice and favoring same-sex marriage. They’re only expressing their own thoughts outside the Catholic Church. Why profess the faith if one has different beliefs?

I know plenty of people who voted for Obama INSPITE of his stance on abortion. And I’m going to say this I couldn’t vote for a pro choice canidate but I definetly sympathesized. The feeling was pretty much if I felt that voting for Romney would get rid of abortion-than yeah. But abortion will still exist no matter who I am going to vote for.

However, I vote for Obama-there’s a real chance something like immigration reform can be done. So I’ll go with the good I can see done.

A lot of those Hispanics who voted for Obama-they are pro life-they are against gay marriage. The issue is the narrow base of the Republican party who refuses to reach out and perhaps makes some compromises…

Bush was getting 43/44 percent of the Hispanic vote. If he had gotten his immigration reform that he wanted probably a lot of those would have STAYED Republican. Or at least considered it.

 

[Andrew1983]

I’m sorry for all of those who claim to be Catholic, yet voted for the creature that occupies the Oval Office, but perhaps you should have acquainted yourself with the 5 non-negotiables when taking into consideration a candidate’s position on the following: abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning, and homosexual marriage.

Had Obama been kosher on these issues, it would have been permissible for Christians of good conscience to vote on his behalf, but the fact is he’s not. If you knowingly voted for a candidate who supports any one of these abominations, you need to either confess and repent of your mortal sin or consider leaving.

 

[livingwordunity]

I’m sorry for all of those who claim to be Catholic, yet voted for the creature that occupies the Oval Office, but perhaps you should have acquainted yourself with the 5 non-negotiables when taking into consideration a candidate’s position on the following: abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning, and homosexual marriage.

Had Obama been kosher on these issues, it would have been permissible for Christians of good conscience to vote on his behalf, but the fact is he’s not. If you knowingly voted for a candidate who supports any one of these abominations, you need to either confess and repent of your mortal sin or consider leaving.

The only ones who I think might not have known how much Obama is contrary to all that is held most sacred to us are those who don’t speak English very well. My wife’s parents fall into that category. But for every English speaking American, I don’t know how they could not know the positions when Obama basically told everyone over and over again that he’s the Pro-Abortion candidate and that that’s main reason why he’s asking for your vote. He was practically screaming it. Democrats made their extreme Pro-Abortion stand front and center of their entire campaign. Democrats were talking about a so-called “war on women” as if getting abortions and free birth control pills is the only thing women care about.

 

[Pitcharan]

livingwordunity:

You say you are Catholic. Do you believe that abortion is intrinsically evil?

Yes, I do believe that abortion is intrinsically evil along with many more evils some of which warrant a Penal Law and some are unfit for State control or intervention.

livingwordunity:

And do you accept all of the Church’s teachings about abortion always being objectively an act of murder? Because my primary sources for this teaching are the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Pope John Paul II’s encyclical, The Gospel of Life.

I wonder if there are Catholics who reject Church teaching; if so they are not Catholics. However, I am not aware of any Church teaching on what kind of Laws a State may legislate. Church has no jurisdiction over any State and is only known to voice dissent over particular repressive Laws directed against the Church.

 

[slate]

SHAME ON THEM!
They are now in MORTAL SIN as is everyone who voted for ANY Democrat

Fr. Vincent Serpa:

All people have an obligation to inform their consciences regarding the moral choices they make in life. For Catholics to deliberately refuse to inform their consciences with the teachings of the Church or if they deliberately disobey the moral teaching of the Church, they can sin mortally if the choice is a serious one. But if people sincerely follow their consciences, whether their consciences are well informed or through not fault of their own they are not, they do not sin by acting on them.

 

[Santi2]

But if people sincerely follow their consciences, whether their consciences are well informed or through not fault of their own they are not, they do not sin by acting on them.

My conscience tells me what is right and wrong.
My conscience tells me that killing the unborn is wrong.
My conscience tells me that to be complicit in the killing of the unborn is wrong.

Yet, I am not culpable if I cast my vote in favour of a particular individual and in possession of full knowledge that the individual has control of the machinery or leads a policy which implements the killing of the unborn? Seriously

 

[GaryTaylor]

No surprize.

 

[Pitcharan]

My conscience tells me what is right and wrong.
My conscience tells me that killing the unborn is wrong.
My conscience tells me that to be complicit in the killing of the unborn is wrong.

Yet, I am not culpable if I cast my vote in favour of a particular individual and in possession of full knowledge that the individual has control of the machinery or leads a policy which implements the killing of the unborn? Seriously

My common sense tells me that not all wrongs can be controlled through legislation and some should be left to the conscience of those who commit.

 

[ATeNumquam]

I really appreciate you posting this. I voted for Obama as well. I did not vote for him because I agreed with his policies on everything, I don’t. I truly wish we had a better pick then we did. I voted for him based on social issues. I felt the republicans did not have the poor and most needy in our country in their best interests. It was in my opinion they don’t care and actually are repulsed by the needy and poor. I was really offended by the 47% remark Romney made. I refuse to believe that 47% are just looking for a handout. I truly believe in helping those less fortunate, they aren’t throw aways, and given a chance and some help can rise up to contribute in so many ways. I grew up poor and it was the kindness and social programs in place that allowed me to rise above my situation. I have a good job, I own a house, I pay taxes, I also believe that kindness that was shown to me needs to be put back into the world. It’s easy to say I got mine go get your own. I can’t do that, because if I wasn’t helped in my time of need I wouldn’t be where I am today.

I shouldn’t comment, as a non-American (have been rapped over the knuckles already for doing so!) - but this is the best post I have read all day. Or rather, this is how I see Catholicism, exactly. AND I am pro-life, a faithful Mass-goer whenever I can get there on weekdays as well as Sundays. I love the Church with all my heart. Most here would call my country “socialist” (though that makes me laugh!!) because we have a public health system. The taxes I pay comes out of my salary and what I don’t see I don’t miss - and I don’t begrudge a cent - for the very reasons LonelyPetunia lists. I can’t read the Acts of the Apostles and see how the first Christians cared for the welfare of the poor and feel otherwise about social issues. That’s why I don’t call it “socialism” but Christianity.
I also have plenty and thank God for my blessings every day - including my access to affordable healthcare. I am so glad no one in my country is any different in that regard. It’s not for me to judge who “deserves” it or not.

Also - I know what it is to live in a much more secular country than the US, where I can’t find any political figure who shares my views. So - either I don’t vote, or I vote for someone whose political ideology is closest to mine. Many faithful Catholics in other countries outside the US have to accept this sort of situation. Isn’t that what the first Christians experienced? Why should we expect to be spared persecution or opposition or not feel like aliens in our society sometimes?
We can still love our respective countries whatever the political situation, and not assume that the end of the world will come if we are not happy with it. We just get on with living our faith and witnessing to it as best we can, and loving God and being grateful for all his gifts to us which can be found in any and all circumstances.

 

[Pitcharan]

I really appreciate you posting this. I voted for Obama as well. I did not vote for him because I agreed with his policies on everything, I don’t. I truly wish we had a better pick then we did. I voted for him based on social issues. I felt the republicans did not have the poor and most needy in our country in their best interests. It was in my opinion they don’t care and actually are repulsed by the needy and poor. I was really offended by the 47% remark Romney made. I refuse to believe that 47% are just looking for a handout. I truly believe in helping those less fortunate, they aren’t throw aways, and given a chance and some help can rise up to contribute in so many ways. I grew up poor and it was the kindness and social programs in place that allowed me to rise above my situation. I have a good job, I own a house, I pay taxes, I also believe that kindness that was shown to me needs to be put back into the world. It’s easy to say I got mine go get your own. I can’t do that, because if I wasn’t helped in my time of need I wouldn’t be where I am today.

Admirable post. May your tribe increase and may you never be lonely!

 

[steverob]

I am a good church-going Catholic, and my kids go to Catholic school, and I am not a minority or on welfare (in fact, I make a very good living). I voted for Barack Obama, and my conscience is clean as a whistle. If Mitt Romney had won, I would have been disappointed but not all that upset, because I did not see this election in apocalyptic terms as some did, and because (frankly) I don’t see any huge difference in the political parties despite all the rhetoric. Many of the policies of Obama were the same as his predecessor.

It is amazing to read comments like voting for Obama is a “mortal sin,” or a comment on another thread in which the poster seemed honestly suicidal about the outcome of the election. I suppose that I am a “social justice Catholic,” rather than an “abortion-and-nothing-else Catholic.” I very much supported Obamacare, for instance; I applaud the fact that millions of uninsured people will have health insurance, and I do so because of the Catholic social teachings that I learned as a kid. Plus, as much as people post about abortion, etc, the election was NOT a referendum on the issue. Almost certainly, if Romney had won, the legal status of abortion in this country would have been exactly the same four years from now as it is currently. Eight years of George W Bush did nothing to affect the legal status of the issue. Romney was not going to ban gay marriage or ban contraception or ban sex outside of marriage, either.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I am a good church-going Catholic, and my kids go to Catholic school, and I am not a minority or on welfare (in fact, I make a very good living). I voted for Barack Obama, and my conscience is clean as a whistle. If Mitt Romney had won, I would have been disappointed but not all that upset, because I did not see this election in apocalyptic terms as some did, and because (frankly) I don’t see any huge difference in the political parties despite all the rhetoric. Many of the policies of Obama were the same as his predecessor.

It is amazing to read comments like voting for Obama is a “mortal sin,” or a comment on another thread in which the poster seemed honestly suicidal about the outcome of the election. I suppose that I am a “social justice Catholic,” rather than an “abortion-and-nothing-else Catholic.” I very much supported Obamacare, for instance; I applaud the fact that millions of uninsured people will have health insurance, and I do so because of the Catholic social teachings that I learned as a kid. Plus, as much as people post about abortion, etc, the election was NOT a referendum on the issue. Almost certainly, if Romney had won, the legal status of abortion in this country would have been exactly the same four years from now as it is currently. Eight years of George W Bush did nothing to affect the legal status of the issue. Romney was not going to ban gay marriage or ban contraception or ban sex outside of marriage, either.

Pope Benedict XVI sent a message to Obama expressing hope that “ideals of liberty and justice, which guided the founders of the U.S.A., may continue to shine on the road ahead for the nation.” — Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi.