Obama's Health Care "Reform" Bill

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A visit is an encounter face to face.I would call your doctor’s office to clarify.Codes that represent an encounter,cannot be used on your phone case.Maybe it was a mistake,that is why I sugest calling them first.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to find out from the physician’s office manager how these things are handled. Many times a physician has no idea how the office is being run and what the business policies are. I would start there and then move up the chain of command if you think it unjust.
 
Perhaps it would be a good idea to find out from the physician’s office manager how these things are handled. Many times a physician has no idea how the office is being run and what the business policies are. I would start there and then move up the chain of command if you think it unjust.
This person doesn’t care about justice. Read post #51.

He/she and others like him are one of the reasons why our medical costs are so high.
 
Just my opinion:

Insurance created the monster that now insurance doesn’t want to support because they formed HMOs to insulate themselves from spiraling costs they no longer want to pay. The spiral needs to stop.

What would happen to heath care if health insurance was simply eliminated? Would hospitals go out of business? Would doctors start becoming grocery baggers? Would ordinary persons suffer? Or, would health care be forced to find a way to charge prices that ordinary people can afford? Even most of the the rich can’t really afford what is being charged today and alone would be unable to sustain the current heath system with the prices it bills.
 
But, we’ve had HSA’s in this country for over a decade and they haven’t help yet.
In fact, HSA’s and MSA’s have suffered from being severely restricted by many states (such as in New Jersey) and at the Federal level by restrictions originating from Ted Kennedy.

I looked up “ted kennedy hsa” on Google and came up with tons of articles describing the damage that Senator Kennedy has done.

This is just one, but there are loads of articles. This one is a little older, but there are lots more.

rangelmd.com/index.php/2003/12/31/health-savings-accounts-hsas/

The LAST thing that liberals, Democrats and Ted Kennedy want is for people to make their own choices and to develop new and innovative ways to addressing problems.

haciendapub.com/surgneuro6.html
 
But, we’ve had HSA’s in this country for over a decade and they haven’t help yet.
In fact, HSA’s and MSA’s have suffered from being severely restricted by many states (such as in New Jersey) and at the Federal level by restrictions originating from Ted Kennedy.

I looked up “ted kennedy hsa” on Google and came up with tons of articles describing the damage that Senator Kennedy has done.

This is just one, but there are loads of articles. This one is a little older, but there are lots more.

rangelmd.com/index.php/2003/12/31/health-savings-accounts-hsas/
 
From the previous post’s first link:

The hope is that patients will begin to “shop around” for cheaper drugs, tests, and physicians who charge less for regular office visits.

Who knows what area doctors, hospitals, and pharmacies charge? We can comparsion shop by price and quality for cars, homes, clothes, electronics, etc. We have rating sites for many items. AND we have time to decide before we purchase. NOT SO WITH INDIVIDUAL MEDICAL SERVICES. Or am I missing something?

My wife and I are in an HMO. Our large employer negotiates the best rates it can each year with several medical providers and we get to choose a provider for the coming year based on our satisfaction with our provider in the current year. Our employer pays 80% and we pay 20% (roughly $8,000/$2000 for two per year) plus a $15 co-pay per visit and $5 co-pay per drug. We can call the advice nurse and often avoid a doctor visit. There are cheaper and more expensive providers available to us and we could pay more or less. But we like our provider and have been there 20 years.

As for HSAs - I heard that a hip replacement cost $200,000. I know that in 1995 it cost my mother $2,000 A DAY to be in the hospital plus doctor & meds and tests, etc. Doesn’t seem that HSAs will cover it.

Group insurance is based on ALL paying and SOME using. Small employers should be allowed to ban together (by industry or local area) to negotiate lower premiums. The premium split is then negotiated between employer and workers or their representative. Better coverage attracts and keeps better employees.

I think providers should be required to advertise their fees and outcome rates. I think the providers should justify fee increases to a public oversight board especially when they exceed the area Cost of Living.
 
This person doesn’t care about justice. Read post #51.

He/she and others like him are one of the reasons why our medical costs are so high.
I am sure the doctor was driven to this by some pecil pusher who determined that you can not prescribe medicine with out seeing the patient and therefore there had to be an office visit which costs x dollars. they probably only give the doctor the option to charge x or nothing and if they charge nothing but pay for the two minutes of activity through procedes from other payments are probably violating some other rule. As a result the doctor only has the option to charge x. I am guessing that if the insurance company had an option y for a quick turn appointment the doctor would prefer to use it.

By the way it is not uncommon for doctors to call in prescriptions for recuring problems for patients. my doctor will call in prescriptions for me for recuring problems if I have seen him within the last year. That is all part of having a good doctor patient relationship which I hope isn’t messe up with the government health take over.
 
Just my opinion:

Insurance created the monster that now insurance doesn’t want to support because they formed HMOs to insulate themselves from spiraling costs they no longer want to pay. The spiral needs to stop.

What would happen to heath care if health insurance was simply eliminated? Would hospitals go out of business? Would doctors start becoming grocery baggers? Would ordinary persons suffer? Or, would health care be forced to find a way to charge prices that ordinary people can afford? Even most of the the rich can’t really afford what is being charged today and alone would be unable to sustain the current heath system with the prices it bills.
look at the veterinary field. most medical costs are paid out of the owner’s pocket and prices are an order of magnitude less than for human doctors.
 
From the previous post’s first link:

The hope is that patients will begin to “shop around” for cheaper drugs, tests, and physicians who charge less for regular office visits.

Who knows what area doctors, hospitals, and pharmacies charge? We can comparsion shop by price and quality for cars, homes, clothes, electronics, etc. We have rating sites for many items. AND we have time to decide before we purchase. NOT SO WITH INDIVIDUAL MEDICAL SERVICES. Or am I missing something?

My wife and I are in an HMO. Our large employer negotiates the best rates it can each year with several medical providers and we get to choose a provider for the coming year based on our satisfaction with our provider in the current year. Our employer pays 80% and we pay 20% (roughly $8,000/$2000 for two per year) plus a $15 co-pay per visit and $5 co-pay per drug. We can call the advice nurse and often avoid a doctor visit. There are cheaper and more expensive providers available to us and we could pay more or less. But we like our provider and have been there 20 years.

As for HSAs - I heard that a hip replacement cost $200,000. I know that in 1995 it cost my mother $2,000 A DAY to be in the hospital plus doctor & meds and tests, etc. Doesn’t seem that HSAs will cover it.

Group insurance is based on ALL paying and SOME using. Small employers should be allowed to ban together (by industry or local area) to negotiate lower premiums. The premium split is then negotiated between employer and workers or their representative. Better coverage attracts and keeps better employees.

I think providers should be required to advertise their fees and outcome rates. I think the providers should justify fee increases to a public oversight board especially when they exceed the area Cost of Living.
Most are afraid to talk about it but the reality is that we are getting to the point where the average person’s medical costs exceed the amount of money that they can make in their lifetime an still afford a place to live and food. We need to be able to make desisions such as do I live in a trailer and have a life expectancy of 84 or do I live in a town home and have a life expectancy of 80. Unfortunately with the government take over of medicine, those choices are being taken away from us.

Next point Insurance should be for shared risk. There is a 10% chance I will need a new hip, that hip costs $200K so I will get together with 10 other people and we each will put $20 K in the hopper and none of us will have to wory about paying for it. Large risk pools allow people to manage their risks in a predictable manner. This does assume that everyone in the pool contributes. The problem with government run care is that people will be in the pool to receive bennefits who have not contributed. This is not shared risk it is distributed risk.
 
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