Obama's policies on terror 'as tough if not tougher' than Bush: Bush officials

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"Two top officials from George W Bush’s administration have said that the US President Barack Obama’s administration is as tough as Bush, if not tougher, on its policies of war on terror.

“The new administration has been as aggressive, if not more aggressive, in pursing these issues because they’re real,” Politico quote former National Intelligence Director retired Vice Admiral Michael McConnell, as saying. "
 
I would say he is as tough or tougher than Bush. Especially if you look at the escalation in bombing Pakistan hideouts, escalation in Yemen and Sudan. Also I think the TSA has gotten a lot more intrusive in their inspections.

The big question in my mind is “is any of this making any progress in the fight?”

This is a war of attrition, as we have said from the start, a Long War. But the US population is getting weary of it. I don’t hear a lot from the White House to stop that from happening. Am I missing something?
 
Sure. He can do what he wants, and the left in the MSM will stay silent.
Unfortunately, his words lack clarity.
 
As tough as Bush? no.

As paranoid as Chavez? certainly.

The TSA fondling law abiding citizens while guns and terrorists still pass through shows that the show is still smoke and mirrors, no real substance, with the real consequence of personal liberty and privacy joining the dodo bird.:rolleyes:

A rather short five paragraph “article”…
 
As tough as Bush? no.

As paranoid as Chavez? certainly.

The TSA fondling law abiding citizens while guns and terrorists still pass through shows that the show is still smoke and mirrors, no real substance, with the real consequence of personal liberty and privacy joining the dodo bird.:rolleyes:

A rather short five paragraph “article”…
I’m interested in knowing what guns and which terrorists have passed through American airports and American security since 9/11. I was under the impression that there have been no terrorist attacks on American soil since that time, thanks not only to the security policies of both the Bush and Obama Administrations, but also to the strict security stance of the TSA. If that security stance is all smoke and mirrors, why haven’t those terrorists been more successful?
 
Terrorists know his view on the terrorists that are caught-and imprisoned-that he wants to give them the rights of American Citizens, and try them as such-on American Soil.

So, no. Obama is not as tough-when it comes to his policies on terror.

And, the bad guys who want to kill us know it.

Baloney!

God Bless you.
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Right. That’s why we pulled out of Iraq and why we are going to pull out of Afghanistan, because Obama is so “tough”.
You’re mistaken. The United States has not yet pulled out of Iraq. Of course we will pull out of Afghanistan, eventually. The question is not if, but when. The Obama Administration, as others have mentioned, has been very tough in its prosecution of the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t know if the stance of the present administration is considered tough or not, but it is certainly no different from the previous administration.
 
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Okay, “pulling out”, not “pulled out”. Is that better?
…The Obama Administration, as others have mentioned, has been very tough in its prosecution of the war in both Iraq and Afghanistan…
Oh, pulleeez. Sending drones to drop a bomb on a jeep can hardly be described as a tough prosecution of a war.

Haven’t you wondered why the United States in just a few years was able to defeat the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire with fleets of ships and millions of troops spanning the globe, but has not been able to defeat a band of cave-dwellers in 10 years?

We are not fighting a war, we are just tossing pebbles
 
Okay, “pulling out”, not “pulled out”. Is that better?

Oh, pulleeez. Sending drones to drop a bomb on a jeep can hardly be described as a tough prosecution of a war.

Haven’t you wondered why the United States in just a few years was able to defeat the Third Reich and the Japanese Empire with fleets of ships and millions of troops spanning the globe, but has not been able to defeat a band of cave-dwellers in 10 years?

We are not fighting a war, we are just tossing pebbles
Well, it’s certainly more honest.

The military men and women from various nations who are separated from their friends and families during this Christmas season will tell you that they are doing much more than “sending drones to drop a bomb on a jeep.” I think their sacrifice is just as important and just as painful as those who sacrificed during the Second World War to defeat the Axis Powers. Maybe you’re not fighting a war, but those men and women in uniform most definitely are and they deserve more support than having their efforts described as “just tossing pebbles.”
 
Well, it’s certainly more honest.

The military men and women from various nations who are separated from their friends and families during this Christmas season will tell you that they are doing much more than “sending drones to drop a bomb on a jeep.” I think their sacrifice is just as important and just as painful as those who sacrificed during the Second World War to defeat the Axis Powers. Maybe you’re not fighting a war, but those men and women in uniform most definitely are and they deserve more support than having their efforts described as “just tossing pebbles.”
It is a very different kind of war where the objective is to p(name removed by moderator)oint and destroy the enemy rather than defeat a country by beating it and its people into total submission.

Maybe the kind of ‘moral war’ that America is now being demanded to fight is really not even possible.
 
It is a very different kind of war where the objective is to p(name removed by moderator)oint and destroy the enemy rather than defeat a country by beating it and its people into total submission.

Maybe the kind of ‘moral war’ that America is now being demanded to fight is really not even possible.
I think you’re right. The way the war is being fought in Afghanistan cannot be compared to the way the Second World War was fought, and it shouldn’t be fought in the same way. I think the frontline of the war now being waged against radical Islam is in our own communities and in our own exercise of democracy. Communities which accept the stranger and immigrant and give those persons opportunity are weapons in this fight. Justice in our communities and vigilance against racism and religious intolerance are also weapons. The exercise of our right to vote is also a weapon. These are the lights of our free society which others envy and long for. Radical Islam can’t hold a candle to a free, open and just society. All it can do is throw stones and tell people to ignore that light. It can’t be ignored, though. Our experience with the Communist ideology of Eastern Europe has proven that good people will always seek the light of freedom over the darkness of intolerance and hatred.
 
I think you’re right. The way the war is being fought in Afghanistan cannot be compared to the way the Second World War was fought, and it shouldn’t be fought in the same way. I think the frontline of the war now being waged against radical Islam is in our own communities and in our own exercise of democracy. Communities which accept the stranger and immigrant and give those persons opportunity are weapons in this fight. Justice in our communities and vigilance against racism and religious intolerance are also weapons. The exercise of our right to vote is also a weapon. These are the lights of our free society which others envy and long for. Radical Islam can’t hold a candle to a free, open and just society. All it can do is throw stones and tell people to ignore that light. It can’t be ignored, though. Our experience with the Communist ideology of Eastern Europe has proven that good people will always seek the light of freedom over the darkness of intolerance and hatred.
That all sounds nice, but what exactly do you mean by “accepting the stranger and immigrant” and “vigilance against racism and intolerance”? How, exactly, does that relate to keeping Americans safe from the terrorism planned by fundamentalist Islamic extremists dedicated to the carrying out of terrorist plots intended to do maximum damage to innocent civilians? Don’t you think an effective and comprehensive domestic anti-terrorism intelligence effort, of the kind that uncovers domestic terrorist bombing plots that occured in Portland a couple of months ago should be the focus? Furthermore, did the light of freedom in eastern Europe seek freedom over intolerance, or freedom over tyranny and oppression?

Ishii
 
That all sounds nice, but what exactly do you mean by “accepting the stranger and immigrant” and “vigilance against racism and intolerance”? How, exactly, does that relate to keeping Americans safe from the terrorism planned by fundamentalist Islamic extremists dedicated to the carrying out of terrorist plots intended to do maximum damage to innocent civilians? Don’t you think an effective and comprehensive domestic anti-terrorism intelligence effort, of the kind that uncovers domestic terrorist bombing plots that occured in Portland a couple of months ago should be the focus? Furthermore, did the light of freedom in eastern Europe seek freedom over intolerance, or freedom over tyranny and oppression?

Ishii
Your points are well taken and I don’t disagree that we also need a security apparatus to protect us from terrorists and others that seek to do us harm. My point is that the values we hold and practice in a free democratic society are also weapons we use to protect ourselves and to convince others that a society based on the rule of justice and the tolerance of differences is better than the alternative society offered by the Taliban and radical Islamists. Our values are attractive to many people throughout the world and were instrumental in winning the Cold War. I think these same values, if we continue to practice them at home, will continue to serve us well in the future.
 
I think you’re right. The way the war is being fought in Afghanistan cannot be compared to the way the Second World War was fought, and it shouldn’t be fought in the same way. I think the frontline of the war now being waged against radical Islam is in our own communities and in our own exercise of democracy. Communities which accept the stranger and immigrant and give those persons opportunity are weapons in this fight. Justice in our communities and vigilance against racism and religious intolerance are also weapons. The exercise of our right to vote is also a weapon. These are the lights of our free society which others envy and long for. Radical Islam can’t hold a candle to a free, open and just society. All it can do is throw stones and tell people to ignore that light. It can’t be ignored, though. Our experience with the Communist ideology of Eastern Europe has proven that good people will always seek the light of freedom over the darkness of intolerance and hatred.
Like the fight against its totalitarian progenitors, Fasism and Marixist-Leninism, the fight against totalitarian Islam is above all, a war of ideas.

Believing in the goodness of our liberal freedoms, with all their warts and all their complexities, with all competing interests, frailties and failings, really has to be step one.

Islamist intellectuals and leaders, the Qutb’s and the Khomeinis’ understood well enough the lure of western liberalism, and the pull that it had on their own minds. That is the reason for totalitarianism in the first place. given a choice, people may opt for liberalism, as they did in the USSR with nary a shot being fired.

On the other hand, one must not forget that the lure that the nihilism of these pathological death cults have on people either, how many choose to dance the death of their own destruction. Pathological mass movements fervently marching children by the thousands into land mines, and proclaiming wombs to be silos launching martyrs are very much a part of twentieth century life.

Racists and bigots themselves, it is not western racism and bigotry and xenophobia that are the targets of these attacks.

Make no doubt about it. It is western liberalism that is the enemy of these nihilists. Joining in their dance and diatribes against the evils of the western world is not the way to further the agenda of western liberalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Berman

demosophia.typepad.com/demosophia/2003/09/a_review_of_pau.html
 
Like the fight against its totalitarian progenitors, Fasism and Marixist-Leninism, the fight against totalitarian Islam is above all, a war of ideas.

Believing in the goodness of our liberal freedoms, with all their warts and all their complexities, with all competing interests, frailties and failings, really has to be step one.

Islamist intellectuals and leaders, the Qutb’s and the Khomeinis’ understood well enough the lure of western liberalism, and the pull that it had on their own minds. That is the reason for totalitarianism in the first place. given a choice, people may opt for liberalism, as they did in the USSR with nary a shot being fired.

On the other hand, one must not forget that the lure that the nihilism of these pathological death cults have on people either, how many choose to dance the death of their own destruction. Pathological mass movements fervently marching children by the thousands into land mines, and proclaiming wombs to be silos launching martyrs are very much a part of twentieth century life.

Racists and bigots themselves, it is not western racism and bigotry and xenophobia that are the targets of these attacks.

Make no doubt about it. It is western liberalism that is the enemy of these nihilists. Joining in their dance and diatribes against the evils of the western world is not the way to further the agenda of western liberalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Berman

demosophia.typepad.com/demosophia/2003/09/a_review_of_pau.html
I agree with you very much. Your last statement, however, leaves me wondering what you mean. I do not think we should stress the warts of western liberalism to the point of hiding the wonderful advantages this system of governing offers, but neither do I think it wise to ignore those faults and pretend they don’t exist. Honesty and clarity are two values present in democratic systems and I think we should be honest with ourselves.
 
Like the fight against its totalitarian progenitors, Fasism and Marixist-Leninism, the fight against totalitarian Islam is above all, a war of ideas.

Believing in the goodness of our liberal freedoms, with all their warts and all their complexities, with all competing interests, frailties and failings, really has to be step one.

Islamist intellectuals and leaders, the Qutb’s and the Khomeinis’ understood well enough the lure of western liberalism, and the pull that it had on their own minds. That is the reason for totalitarianism in the first place. given a choice, people may opt for liberalism, as they did in the USSR with nary a shot being fired.

On the other hand, one must not forget that the lure that the nihilism of these pathological death cults have on people either, how many choose to dance the death of their own destruction. Pathological mass movements fervently marching children by the thousands into land mines, and proclaiming wombs to be silos launching martyrs are very much a part of twentieth century life.

Racists and bigots themselves, it is not western racism and bigotry and xenophobia that are the targets of these attacks.

Make no doubt about it. It is western liberalism that is the enemy of these nihilists. Joining in their dance and diatribes against the evils of the western world is not the way to further the agenda of western liberalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Berman

demosophia.typepad.com/demosophia/2003/09/a_review_of_pau.html
Good show.

“Clapping…”👍
 
I agree with you very much. Your last statement, however, leaves me wondering what you mean. I do not think we should stress the warts of western liberalism to the point of hiding the wonderful advantages this system of governing offers, but neither do I think it wise to ignore those faults and pretend they don’t exist. Honesty and clarity are two values present in democratic systems and I think we should be honest with ourselves.
You are right that we are agreeing. The relative conservatism and liberalism of western democracies are two sides of the same coin. We really ought to be fighting for the same system, toward the same goal.
It is methodology that is the point of contention.



But, it is not pretending that the warts don’t exist. It is being clear that whatever the faults of our western democracies, the faults of totalitarian system are a thousand fold worse.

It is not a question of being dishonest or unclear that we stress that people choosing totalitarian systems are not doing so on account of the warts of liberal democracies. Clearly those warts exist, but by comparison the same warts in totalitarian systems have reached the size of festering tumors. Moreover, we in free countries take steps to clear up these warts. We see the ugliness.

Totalitarian systems either deny or even celebrate their tumors as things of real beauty.

What is happening is that people of our twentieth century are actively choosing totalitarian systems for a variety of psychological reasons. Qutb, the founder of Islamism, for example, found the vagaries and uncertainties and choices of modern life schizophrenically disconcerting, and therefore much preferred the total submission involved in his own vision of Islam.

"Death comes to all, but for him there is martyrdom. He will proceed to the Garden, while his conquerors go to the fire", is how Sayid Qutb defined the ideals that now deliver Islamic masses to the nihilism of totalitarianism. As so many pathological mass movements of the twentieth century have gone before, so now goes Islam into the twenty-first.

But this is their vision. It is not American bigotry and racism that the totalitarians protest. It is the very existence and success of American liberalism that offends them.

Not the warts of America, but the liberal personhood of America herself is the overt, stated reason for the hatred.

Not our failings, but our successes are the source of all the totalitarians resentments.

It is the ‘schizophrenia of secular life’, the separation of life into the spheres of God and Caesar, of work and family, church and club; the uncertainty, liberal or conservative, atheist or godly—all these nerve-wracking choices that continually nag at us— this is what the totalitarian finds intolerable, and submission into the One so alluring…

In this war of ideas, alluding to the weaknesses of liberalism as a response to matryrdom operations against liberalism merely gives them more reason to feel contemptuous.

This is not clarity. This is not honesty. This is our own liberal form of nihilism that cannot believe in just how extraordinarily **exceptional **our liberal way of life really is.
Our liberties are something of great value and worth, that merits our belief, without apology or surrender.
 
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