Obama's State of the Union remarks

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I am not a Republican. I am a registered and donation-giving Libertarian. So, there goes your arguement.
Really, aside from funding and power (Libertarianism is grass-roots based while Republicanism is corporate boardroom based), the ideologies are almost identical…well, except for the platform plank that is “pro-choice” and is for the legalization of drugs and the fact that the Republicans have no problem distributing taxpayer largess to their corporate contributors. 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
 
For the record, I used to be heavy left leaning but still tried my best to be moderate… Now I’m generally moderate but I try my best to keep my vote as aboslutely within the bounds of the Catholic Moral teaching…

It doesn’t necessarly mean Republican (there are bones to be picked with them), but it also certainly (from my POV) would preculde me being a platform democrate or even as left leaning as I once was.

My heart is broken that democrats have so fundamentally embrassed the Culture of death, and it continues to break as I see the Republican party abandoning the moral platform slowly, bit by bit. It leaves me wondering who will be left to stand for God?
To answer your question: the Church…the People of God. Neither party’s political ideology is fully in line with the Church. The Democrats try to have a social justice aspect while ignoring the basis for social justice, thus twisting it into something terrible. The Republican party have an ideology based on the pursuit of and the love of money and have tried to tack pro-life onto that ideology and then twist the love of money (the basis of Republican ideology) into good thing and not the root of all evil so Christians will defend the ideology along with pro-life. Has anyone taken the time to really think about how PROTESTANT Republicanism is? It’s based in Calvinism’s idea that being rich means you’re blessed by God! Isn’t that a heresy?

The way I see it, both sides are in the wrong. The difference is, the leadership of the Democratic party has no problem telling everyone about the evil that exists as a result of twisting their ideology. The leadership of the Republican party present themselves as God-fearing Christians all the while pursuing the love of money as a good thing.
 
To answer your question: the Church…the People of God. Neither party’s political ideology is fully in line with the Church. The Democrats try to have a social justice aspect while ignoring the basis for social justice, thus twisting it into something terrible. The Republican party have an ideology based on the pursuit of and the love of money and have tried to tack pro-life onto that ideology and then twist the love of money (the basis of Republican ideology) into good thing and not the root of all evil so Christians will defend the ideology along with pro-life. Has anyone taken the time to really think about how PROTESTANT Republicanism is? It’s based in Calvinism’s idea that being rich means you’re blessed by God! Isn’t that a heresy?

The way I see it, both sides are in the wrong. The difference is, the Democrats have no problem telling everyone about the evil that exists as a result of twisting their ideology. The Republicans present themselves as God-fearing Christians all the while pursuing the love of money as a good thing.
Your uncharitable characterization of me (registered Republican) has been duly noted.

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Do not use character substitutions in proper names, such as “Amerikkkans” or “Demonrats” or “Repubicans” etc.​

 
May the Holy One, Blessed Be His Name, move our president to defend charity, justice, and compassion in a way that is not false. I will not sit here and make derogatory remarks about the president, even though I am very conservative.I have many quibs over the president’s stances on abortion, I am pro life, and gay marriage, it does not exist, and governement size, I am a Free Market and Ron Paul supporter. I must stand for principles such as the latter that transcend party lines, I am independent. Here is a saying for all:“Do not watch what they say, but what they do.”
 
Your uncharitable characterization of me (registered Republican) has been duly noted.

Per CAF rules
Thank you so much for the opportunity to clarify myself.

(It wasn’t meant as an attack on the grassroots level citizen who is registered Republican. I am criticizing the party leadership, its movers and shakers and, of course, the amoral ideology…I have been registered Republican since I started voting in 1989 and can prove that I am currently registered as a Republican – as much as I hate that party’s ideology).
 
Thank you so much for the opportunity to clarify myself.

(It wasn’t meant as an attack on the grassroots level citizen who is registered Republican. I am criticizing the party leadership, its movers and shakers and, of course, the amoral ideology…I have been registered Republican since I started voting in 1989 and can prove that I am currently registered as a Republican – as much as I hate that party’s ideology).
The problem is that you make attacks and don’t respond to valid objections to your posts. You have a right to your opinion, but this being a Forum, you should respond. You are using this Forum as a soap box to promote you brand of hate. You have been asked for links to support your posts, but all you do is go on another rant.
 
Really, aside from funding and power (Libertarianism is grass-roots based while Republicanism is corporate boardroom based), the ideologies are almost identical…well, except for the platform plank that is “pro-choice” and is for the legalization of drugs and the fact that the Republicans have no problem distributing taxpayer largess to their corporate contributors. 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.
You could be honest and just admit that you understand nothing about Libertarianism.
 
You could be honest and just admit that you understand nothing about Libertarianism.
It would be dishonest for me to say that I know nothing about libertarianism.

My understanding is that it’s based on “do what thou wilt but hurtest thou not anyone in doing so.” Libertarians are also known for being anti-government and pro-business as well as for being pro-choice. Pro-life libertarians are rare but those who are pro-life rightly focus in on the “don’t hurt anyone” part and acknowledge the person hood of the unborn child.

In terms of economic ideology, they both have very similar beliefs but with a different basis for their beliefs. Libertarianism takes a 100% hands-off approach to business. Business can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, where ever it wants, why-ever it wants and however it wants to whoever it wants. If anyone is hurt by a business’s practices, they can sue the business. The Republican ideology is the same except Republicanism says that it’s okay to give taxpayer funds to business that natural persons are to be prohibited from suing businesses under any circumstances. Neither believes that natural persons should receive any form public assistance in any manner, way, shape or form. You’re completely on your own.
 
To answer your question: the Church…the People of God. Neither party’s political ideology is fully in line with the Church. The Democrats try to have a social justice aspect while ignoring the basis for social justice, thus twisting it into something terrible. The Republican party have an ideology based on the pursuit of and the love of money and have tried to tack pro-life onto that ideology and then twist the love of money (the basis of Republican ideology) into good thing and not the root of all evil so Christians will defend the ideology along with pro-life. Has anyone taken the time to really think about how PROTESTANT Republicanism is? It’s based in Calvinism’s idea that being rich means you’re blessed by God! Isn’t that a heresy?

The way I see it, both sides are in the wrong. The difference is, the leadership of the Democratic party has no problem telling everyone about the evil that exists as a result of twisting their ideology. The leadership of the Republican party present themselves as God-fearing Christians all the while pursuing the love of money as a good thing.
I fervently disagree, Nancy Pelosi for instance told the nation and world that the view of Catholisism presented by the Vatican is too limted and doesn’t reflect what true Catholisism really is.

I don’t know about you, but I disagree with that statement and I would tend to categorize it (in a very twisted and insidious way) in the pidgen hole you placed Republicans in.
 
It would be dishonest for me to say that I know nothing about libertarianism.

My understanding is that it’s based on “do what thou wilt but hurtest thou not anyone in doing so.” Libertarians are also known for being anti-government and pro-business as well as for being pro-choice. Pro-life libertarians are rare but those who are pro-life rightly focus in on the “don’t hurt anyone” part and acknowledge the person hood of the unborn child.

In terms of economic ideology, they both have very similar beliefs but with a different basis for their beliefs. Libertarianism takes a 100% hands-off approach to business. Business can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, where ever it wants, why-ever it wants and however it wants to whoever it wants. If anyone is hurt by a business’s practices, they can sue the business. The Republican ideology is the same except Republicanism says that it’s okay to give taxpayer funds to business that natural persons are to be prohibited from suing businesses under any circumstances. Neither believes that natural persons should receive any form public assistance in any manner, way, shape or form. You’re completely on your own.
Not a bad summation, and the term you are looking for in the beginning of the second paragraph is “Non-Aggression Principle”. Most honest minarchal libertarians are pro-life because of this principle. It is not true (and I am not implying that you are making this assumption) that Libertarians are “Republicans who want to legalize pot”.
 
Republicanism is my label for true priorities of the Republican party demonstrated by their demonstrated priorities and rhetoric, namely:

Elimination of all direct taxes on rich people and corporations
Complete deregulation of all business
Every-man-for-himself

You know…the things the Republican party has been working for since the 80s.

Note that it’s MY own definition and is not subject having someone try to lead the discussion down a rabbit trail (which I’ve noticed is something people are very good at doing around here). If you don’t like the label, the I’ll just replace “Republianist” with “modern conservative” as it all means the same thing.
Who are these people? I don’t think I’ve met one.

Where do they live?

Do you know one of these people personally?
 
The problem is that you make attacks and don’t respond to valid objections to your posts. You have a right to your opinion, but this being a Forum, you should respond. You are using this Forum as a soap box to promote you brand of hate. You have been asked for links to support your posts, but all you do is go on another rant.
I’m not that sure that we have any obligation to respond to objections to our posts. I think that you can make a statement and, whether it’s crazy talk or something well thought out and reasonable, other readers can differentiate between the two by themselves. The reason I believe that is that the Forum decides nothing. It’s A’s opinion vs B’s opinion, and if there’s anything I’ve learned from this Forum as well as from others is that no one changes his or her mind. The conservatives aren’t going to have a Eureka! moment and declare themselves wrong, and the liberals are the same.

You don’t have to demand a link from me if I flatly state that the moon is made of green cheese! 😃
 
I’m not that sure that we have any obligation to respond to objections to our posts. I think that you can make a statement and, whether it’s crazy talk or something well thought out and reasonable, other readers can differentiate between the two by themselves. The reason I believe that is that the Forum decides nothing. It’s A’s opinion vs B’s opinion, and if there’s anything I’ve learned from this Forum as well as from others is that no one changes his or her mind. The conservatives aren’t going to have a Eureka! moment and declare themselves wrong, and the liberals are the same.

You don’t have to demand a link from me if I flatly state that the moon is made of green cheese! 😃
I’m not sure I agree with all of what you wrote. This is a forum, which should be about exchanging ideas. In all honesty, I do learn a lot here. It helps me understand the opposite view. I’d rather read a liberal’s post here than waste my time watching Rachel Maddow.

I have changed since I joined CAF in 2005. I’ve become a lot more conservative politically, and more orthodox in my understanding of Church Teachings. I used to hold hands during the Our Father!:eek:
 
I’m not that sure that we have any obligation to respond to objections to our posts. I think that you can make a statement and, whether it’s crazy talk or something well thought out and reasonable, other readers can differentiate between the two by themselves. The reason I believe that is that the Forum decides nothing. It’s A’s opinion vs B’s opinion, and if there’s anything I’ve learned from this Forum as well as from others is that no one changes his or her mind. The conservatives aren’t going to have a Eureka! moment and declare themselves wrong, and the liberals are the same.

You don’t have to demand a link from me if I flatly state that the moon is made of green cheese! 😃
Tthe overwhelming majority of people who visit any forum are lurkers-that is they never post. Many of those of us who post not do so totry to change the minds of those we are responding to but to correct their dissension from the Catholic faith so that people do not think what they are saying is acceptable or the norm.

The moon, by the way, is made of Swiss cheese-can’t you see all the holes in it?
 
A small personal failure given your other virtues. 😉

👍

Yes, eek! I never did that!
Are you guys getting hammered in AR? The snow hasn’t started yet, but we have several inches of sleet so far. We’re supposed to get 12-18 inches.
 
Are you guys getting hammered in AR? The snow hasn’t started yet, but we have several inches of sleet so far. We’re supposed to get 12-18 inches.
Here in the mountains we got about 2 inches but the temperature dropped to 12 below and is supposed to go to 28 below tonight
 
Are you guys getting hammered in AR? The snow hasn’t started yet, but we have several inches of sleet so far. We’re supposed to get 12-18 inches.
Rain all last night, rain all morning, but, Please God, just rain!

The storms must be travelling SW to NE as Oklahoma is preparing for a blizzard and only the NW tip of Arkansas is expected to see snow.
 
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