OBL's messenger Boy sounds like Democrats?

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vern humphrey:
Did you miss the part about how more Muslims have been killed fighting on our side than Americans?
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I didn’t miss that. I just don’t see how it relates to your position that the Muslim world is becoming more estranged from those in the Muslim world who are fighting us.
vern humphrey:
There is a new government in Afghanistan.
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Yes, but the Taliban is making a comeback. Mr Karzai may as well be the mayor of Kabul for all the influence he has in the rest of the country. He is a minority Tajik trying to run a majority Pashtun country; a country where clan and tribe are everything.
vern humphrey:
There is a new government in Iraq.
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A government which is moving closer and closer to Iran and is biding its time until we get out. I don’t see how a Shiite Iraqi government with improving ties with Iran is a victory for us. Is that what our troops are shedding their blood for? Is that victory?
vern humphrey:
The Syrians are moving out of Lebanon.
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IMO its too soon to judge the effects of the Syrian pullout of Lebanon. Increased instability there seems likely.
vern humphrey:
The Lybians are welcoming nuclear inspectors.
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This is a welcome development.
vern humphrey:
Nations like Yemen have turned over terrorists to us. Saudi Arabia – albeit walking a tight rope – is cracking down on terrorists and those who support them.
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This is where a serious improvement in diplomacy is needed. In these countries, we need to put serious diplomatic pressure on them to reform their internal policies without “regime change”. These govts have for years bought off their Al Qaeda types while maintaining their own repression of those who want reform. This must end.
 
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gnjsdad:
Mr Karzai may as well be the mayor of Kabul for all the influence he has in the rest of the country. He is a minority Tajik trying to run a majority Pashtun country; a country where clan and tribe are everything.
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Karzai is Pashtun.
 
vern humphrey:
Did you miss the part about how more Muslims have been killed fighting on our side than Americans?

There is a new government in Afghanistan. There is a new government in Iraq. The Syrians are moving out of Lebanon. The Lybians are welcoming nuclear inspectors. Nations like Yemen have turned over terrorists to us. Saudi Arabia – albeit walking a tight rope – is cracking down on terrorists and those who support them.
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Remember, Vern. For those who’d rather we not have removed Saddam or elected President Bush twice, the good news from the middle east is never ever enough.
 
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gnjsdad:
Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war.
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Worse is the pain and suffering of waiting to fight an inevitable evil.

If only England and the rest of Europe had confronted Hitler earlier instead of letting him take the Sudenland.
 
vern humphrey:
What the media saw as “corruption” was a combination of two things – unimaginable wealth (which we brought to the country) and the Confucian tradition – Kiasu in Chinese.
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Can you explain, please Vern, the basis on which the media framed Confusianism as corrupt?
 
As usual there’s good news in Afghanistan the MSM and our liberal friends don’t seem interested in: **Voter registration for September elections in Afghanistan has been overwhelming despite security worries including an attack on a registration site at the weekend, organisers say.

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No one was hurt in the attack in the southeastern province of Paktika on Saturday, but police battled gunmen for hours, delaying the site’s opening, Bronwyn Curran, a spokeswoman for the Afghan-UN election body, said on Monday.

She said security and other problems, such as sandstorms and flooding, had prevented registration at 59 of 1052 stations nationwide, but 73,000 people had registered in the first two days of the month-long process that began on Saturday.

More than 10.6 million people registered for October’s presidential polls won by Western-backed incumbent Hamid Karzai.

Parliamentary elections are set for 18 September and organisers aim to register up to two million people who were either too young for the October vote, did not previously register, lost their registration cards, or have moved.

Curran called the progress remarkable.

Not bad, eh?
 
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gnjsdad:
I didn’t miss that. I just don’t see how it relates to your position that the Muslim world is becoming more estranged from those in the Muslim world who are fighting us.
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There is none so blind as him who will not see.
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gnjsdad:
Yes, but the Taliban is making a comeback. Mr Karzai may as well be the mayor of Kabul for all the influence he has in the rest of the country. He is a minority Tajik trying to run a majority Pashtun country; a country where clan and tribe are everything.
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Aside from your error abut Karzai’s ethnicity, your analysis of the situation in Afghanistan does not gibe with what people over there are saying.
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gnjsdad:
A government which is moving closer and closer to Iran and is biding its time until we get out. I don’t see how a Shiite Iraqi government with improving ties with Iran is a victory for us. Is that what our troops are shedding their blood for? Is that victory?
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When you predict the future, aren’t you supposed to wear a turban and gaze into a crystal ball? What you see is not what everyone else sees.
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gnjsdad:
IMO its too soon to judge the effects of the Syrian pullout of Lebanon. Increased instability there seems likely.
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Right. Call them back. Let’s put Saddam back in charge of Iraq while we’re at it.
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gnjsdad:
This is where a serious improvement in diplomacy is needed. In these countries, we need to put serious diplomatic pressure on them to reform their internal policies without “regime change”. These govts have for years bought off their Al Qaeda types while maintaining their own repression of those who want reform. This must end.
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And how do you propose to do that? With “sanctions” that wind up starving the people and makeing money for European nations and the UN officials who help them circumvent the sanctions?
 
Ani Ibi:
Can you explain, please Vern, the basis on which the media framed Confusianism as corrupt?
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Let me give you some examples:

US Adviser to Village Chief, “Theu ta, the people of Ap Dung Dap don’t have clean water. If you will provide the manpower, I will provide the drill, casings and pump so they can have a well.”

Village Chief: “Ah, thank you. Yes. Maybe next week.”

Next week comes and goes, and no manpower – and there will not be a well. Why? Because Confucianism is a form of feudalism.

The Village Chief OWNS the labor of the people. That’s how he makes his living. He doesn’t have more than a token salary. He’s expected to make money off the people.

Given his culture, he KNOWS the Adviser has a scheme, and will make money off this well – because that’s the way the world works. He considers the Adviser to be corrupt – he’s trying to get labor that belongs to the village chief for free!

If you want the people of Ap Dung Dap to have a well, you have to allow the Village Chief to make money off it. And he has to pass a cut to the District Chief, who has to pass some to even higher officials.

Another example is theft at dockside – the people who do the work are underpaid, and are EXPECTED to steal. The bossman, who controls who works there is EXPECTED to get his cut. But the Americans expect no one to steal, and don’t take measures to see that stealing is kept to a reasonable level.

One of my favorite examples of Confusianism in action comes from Singapore. There are lots of American franchise businesses there – like Pizza Hut. All-you-can-eat buffets are very popular in Singapore, and Kaisu (the fear of being left out, or not getting full value) means people are impelled to eat as much as they can – I can remember being astonished at how much a 95-pound co-worker put away.

Finally the Pizza Hut manager posted a sign, “All you can eat. Half price if you eat all you take.” You can’t imagine the mental problems this caused!http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
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gnjsdad:
A government which is moving closer and closer to Iran and is biding its time until we get out. .
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We will be out in December, then NATO will be there for security
 
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gnjsdad:
But it’s *Al Jazeera - *you know: part of the alliance between the terrorists and the liberal MSM?. How can we believe anything they say?
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You believe them when they report bad news from the middle east, don’t you?
 
"Just after 4 a.m., coalition forces on patrol saw a poster that read “Kill Americans” prominently displayed on a house in southern Baghdad. The soldiers searched the house and found weapons and a large amount of ammunition. The patrol also found shotgun shells and body armor hidden inside the house. Two occupants in the house were taken into custody for questioning. "

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We will win this thing! 🙂
 
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gilliam:
We will win this thing! 🙂
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We are winning–In Iraq and in the general WOT both.

The only place we seem to be losing is in the minds of the anti-Bush crowd, the anti-American crowd and the American left.
 
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gilliam:
We will be out in December, then NATO will be there for security
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gilliam: your assessment please. Do you have confidence in NATO forces? They have asked for more robust rules of engagement. It really scares me that they are going in before they get those rules of engagement. Exactly which NATO forces are going in?
 
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