Occult Items-what should I do with them?

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Marriage before a man of God/minister who assists the couple in performing their Vows to each other is considered Sacramentally valid and needs an annulment which can involve one or both spouses. I suppose even if it is performed outside a church? (not sure of this) since many have back yard or blue grass ceremonies; ie; not in a church?

What is a handfasting??

dona
ah, both questions here are one question.

for instance a Quaker (Christian) marriage is considered sacramentally binding, because it is religious, even though there is NO minister “officiating” per se… the Quakers marry each other. because of the Quaker foudning of the state of PA. there is no need for any recognized religious paperwork to have a religious marriage ceremony.
all you need is the “minister” or the couple to go and fill out forms.

most places other than that? lots of folks get married in the backyard. or in a park.

a handfasting CAN be a pagan/wiccan wedding ceremony. it gets complicated, but basically calling it a pagan wedding is pretty close.
your hands are “made fast” to each other (in our terms? “what God has joined together…”)
it is usually officiated at by a licensed/recognized by the state religious leader.

and since it was a religious wedding, the Church laws on marriage can be considered to apply…
 
According to the Church all marriages (civil) are considered valid, even if not done in the Church (unless you go through the process of filing for an annulment and even then it can still be found to be a valid marriage).

. . . Although, we aren’t ‘doing anything’ right now until the marriage is blessed. (my choice, not his lol)
*Civil marriages are not valid in the Eyes of the Church. They are legal marriages only.

And if you’re not “doing anything” right now, you’re not living in sin. The sin is sexual relations outside of marriage (which includes sex within civil marriages). But if there is no sex, there is no sin.

God bless!*
 
Rachel…how did you find out the truth about reiki? Is this the same as energy medicine and healing? We have alot of this in our area.
Its similar
well… since almost all the reiki books are published by new age book publishers, right there along with affirmation books, crystal healing, and “channeling” books, i think that might be a clue.
however, every single wiccan group i know has a reiki practitioner in it. usually several.

it is promoted HEAVILY in the pagan and new age movements as being a good way to work energy, completely in keeping with OUR TEACHINGS.
and many of my old friends were reiki masters. (are still, many of them) several of them qualified to teach.

reiki is one of the courses at almost all the new age and pagan festivals. reiki “attunments” are big deals there.

it involves being “attuned to the reiki consciousness” and usually working directly with spirit guides.

frankly, the only “apostolic succession” i want to be involved in is the church. reiki requires you be “attuned” to the energy by the person who has been attuned by their teacher. and so on.
 
ah, both questions here are one question.
a handfasting CAN be a pagan/wiccan wedding ceremony. it gets complicated, but basically calling it a pagan wedding is pretty close.
your hands are “made fast” to each other (in our terms? “what God has joined together…”)
it is usually officiated at by a licensed/recognized by the state religious leader.

and since it was a religious wedding, the Church laws on marriage can be considered to apply…
I think that assumption is ‘stretching’ it a bit but it would be interesting to find out for sure.

dona
 
Civil marriages are not valid in the eyes of the Church as a Sacrament and need no annulment. It is a legal marriage in the eyes of the state, for personal and tax purposes and the disposal of property.
Well, I think the church does see a civil marriage as valid, until it’s proven invalid-the reason I say this is because when someone has been married before it has to go through the tribunal to determine if it’s valid or not, so I’m assuming that they make the assumption that all marriages are valid until proven otherwise. I’m not a expert by any means though, so I could be completely wrong here, just going off experience because I had to deal with the tribunal for my prior marriages, which were found invalid.
This last sentence from the source you quoted is awkward. Perhaps this means marital sexual intercourse that is only allowed within a valid Sacrament?
I’m not sure, that came from the Vatican.
What is a handfasting??
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handfasting
Quoting from the wiki:
In the present day, some Neopagans practice this ritual. The marriage vows taken may be for “a year and a day,” a lifetime, “for all of eternity” or “for as long as love shall last.” Whether the ceremony is legal, or a private spiritual commitment, is up to the couple. Depending on the state where the handfasting is performed, and whether or not the officiant is a legally recognized minister, the ceremony itself may be legally binding, or couples may choose to make it legal by also having a civil ceremony. Modern handfastings are performed for same-gender or opposite-gender couples, as well as for multiple partners in the case of polyamorous relationships. Currently, handfasting is a legal Pagan wedding ceremony in Scotland, but not in England, Wales or Ireland.[citation needed]

As with many Neopagan rituals, some groups may use historically attested forms of the ceremony, striving to be as traditional as possible, while others may use only the basic idea of handfasting and largely create a new ceremony.

As many different traditions of Neopaganism use some variation on the handfasting ceremony, there is no universal ritual form that is followed, and the elements included are generally up to the couple being handfasted. In cases where the couple belong to a specific religious or cultural tradition, there may be a specific form of the ritual used by all or most members of that particular tradition. The couple may conduct the ceremony themselves or may have an officiant perform the ceremony. In some traditions, the couple may jump over a broom at the end of the ceremony. Some may instead leap over a small fire together. Today, some couples opt for a handfasting ceremony in place of, or incorporated into, their public wedding. As summer is the traditional time for handfastings, they are often held outdoors.

As with more conventional marriage ceremonies, couples often exchange rings during a handfasting, symbolizing their commitment to each other. Many couples choose rings that reflect their spiritual and cultural traditions, while others choose plainer, more conventional wedding rings.
Is your husband baptized? (all baptisms performed according to prescription are valid}
Yes, he was baptized when he was like 11 or 12 in a baptist church in the middle of nowhere, in some river. It was done correctly though.
Wise choice! You are an amazing lady!
Careful, you may make me have a big head LOL j/k 🙂
I will be among the many sending prayers.
Thank you, we can always use all the prayers we can get 🙂
 
so you have Christian (yes and Catholic) churches that dont see a problem with Yoga, reiki, centering prayer, etc.
and you have churches (even catholic ones) that see the devil under every rock, and behind every item, no matter how innocuous.
You know what I think… I think it’s in the middle of these two.
We should not be dabbling in stuff like yoga, reiki, centering prayer, creative visualization etc… but we shouldn’t be constantly paranoid either. Does that make sense?
An example from my own situation:
The books I have (lots of them) I don’t think are ‘dangerous’ or whatever, they are just books. The subject matter is not something I should read, but them being here isn’t going to ‘hurt me’ except in the possibility of maybe a temptation sometime (although I have no temptation now at all). So I want to get rid of the books for a few reasons, 1- I’m not in that life anymore and it’s my past, so I want them gone. 2- I don’t want to even have anything around that could possibly cause a temptation in the future, and 3-I don’t want to aid my husband in learning witchcraft, I want to pray for him, having these books in the house would be a bigger temptation to him.
On the other hand, I have these other items that I know have spirits or whatever attached to them, those I want gone asap. Those I feel are what could be causing a lot of the bad things going on with me right now… maybe, maybe not, but either way, they sure can’t be helping.
So you have to think rational but also realize there’s evil out there.
Hopefully that made sense lol
 
Rachel…how did you find out the truth about reiki? Is this the same as energy medicine and healing? We have alot of this in our area.
It’s kind of the same. Reiki uses a specific type of energy and guides, while regular energy healing may or may not use guides and could be just fake. I wouldn’t trust it, and would stay away from it if you’re curious about it, just to be safe.
How I found out, I don’t know… lol.
It’s like somewhere in the last 4 years since my NDE I just knew that I shouldn’t be doing that either.
 
Its similar
well… since almost all the reiki books are published by new age book publishers, right there along with affirmation books, crystal healing, and “channeling” books, i think that might be a clue.
however, every single wiccan group i know has a reiki practitioner in it. usually several.

it is promoted HEAVILY in the pagan and new age movements as being a good way to work energy, completely in keeping with OUR TEACHINGS.
and many of my old friends were reiki masters. (are still, many of them) several of them qualified to teach.

reiki is one of the courses at almost all the new age and pagan festivals. reiki “attunments” are big deals there.

it involves being “attuned to the reiki consciousness” and usually working directly with spirit guides.

frankly, the only “apostolic succession” i want to be involved in is the church. reiki requires you be “attuned” to the energy by the person who has been attuned by their teacher. and so on.
Yep, good explanation of reiki. I got my attunments privately from a high level reiki master, I wasn’t even charged money (as most do and are encouraged to do), instead, I paid with food, friendship, and recipes.
 
Personally, what I would do is sprinkle them with holy water and then destroy them and throw them away. That’s what I did with my old Occult items when I finally gave up practicing the Occult.
 
Personally, what I would do is sprinkle them with holy water and then destroy them and throw them away. That’s what I did with my old Occult items when I finally gave up practicing the Occult.
Hi Holly,
I was just going to burn them at first, then I got some warnings not to do that, and got myself all confused/concerned about the proper way to dispose of them. Anyway, I spoke with my Archdiocese today and they are having an exorcist contact me to make sure I do it right.
Whatever he tells me, I’ll relay here so everyone knows 🙂
 
Hello Rachel,
My name is Khrystyne and I too was born a cradle Catholic with minimal catechesis throughout my life. I found myself involved in the occult of varying sectors so to speak. I’ve got loads of experience and stories to share of my conversion to the truth, Jesus Christ the person who helped me out of that bondage. The battle has just begun for you and most especially because your husband is still involved, but God has a plan. My advice and personal experience with the occult “things” is to completely destroy everything you can, burn, smash, dismantle and cleanse. Do not bury anything, DESTROY it. In Catholicism we bury certain things out of respect for the article and the blessing upon it, the occult items are tools of the devil, do not leave them in any way accessible.
Pray the rosary. Call upon the Virgin Mary, make a special devotion to her she will help you. You must know by now that this is going to be intense. The devil is mad:mad: that he’s lost you and he still has your husband, you need to surround yourself with supportive Christians that are prayer warriors, I will be one of those people for you. It is true that just before your Confirmation you will experience some difficulties in different ways, but know something, you are not alone. From my own experience I had a horrible transition and truly if those people out there in the Church no less don’t believe that the devil exhists? they’re in for a horror of an awakening!:eek:
Praying the rosary and KNOWING scripture is the best weapon, pray specifically for help in your situation. I suffered quite a bit as I came into the church looking for specific helps on this subject, there were’nt many people who had any inkling of how to go about getting the “stuff” out of my head. For lack of knowledge and experience in this area it might be difficult to find support and understanding. But please understand too that you have been given some profound insight that most have not been given through your experiences. Christ will work through you in many ways to help others come out of that dark pitt. Pray and ask the Blessed Mother concerning your husband, ask her for direction and guidance, she will help you. Also, Get aquainted with St. Padre Pio! He will help you as well, a big help he is for me and has been!!! St. Benedict, purchase a St. Benedict medal and crucifix, get them blessed. There is a special blessing you can have done for those items, if not right away get them blessed a.s.a.p. and wear them, I did. you can show them or put them inside your shirt, either way wear the St. Benedict medal.
What is sad actually is that I had spoken to many different priests about my sufferings until finally I had made an appointment with our “exorcism” priest . I got some help from just talking to him and sharing with him my trials. I almost went to a larger city to contact a particular group of exorcist priests ( it was that bad). But then I found myself surrounded by some wonderful prayerful people in the church and all the havoc fizzled out.🙂
Seek counsel within your diocese, priests and prayer groups. the charismatic prayer groups would be ideal to surround yourself in prayer support.

God Bless You!
Khrystyne
 
Rachel, just dispose of the stuff the way you would any other trash. They’re not “charged.” There’s no magic or spirits in them. That is a superstition. It’s just stuff that you don’t want any more. Disposing of it in a special way will just reinforce your lingering belief that they possess some power.
 
Rachel, just dispose of the stuff the way you would any other trash. They’re not “charged.” There’s no magic or spirits in them. That is a superstition. It’s just stuff that you don’t want any more. Disposing of it in a special way will just reinforce your lingering belief that they possess some power.
Well, when the exorcist contacts me from the Archdiocese if he tells me the same thing, I’ll let you know.
 
Well, when the exorcist contacts me from the Archdiocese if he tells me the same thing, I’ll let you know.
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Why are some people so intent on Rachel NOT asking for answers from the most proper authority in the Church? :hmmm:

I find it odd, really…
 
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Why are some people so intent on Rachel NOT asking for answers from the most proper authority in the Church? :hmmm:

I find it odd, really…
I don’t know if this is a response to my post, but I’ll respond anyway.
If Rachel would feel better getting an answer from a priest about this, then she certainly should. However, she posted her question here on a message board instead of going to a priest.
 
Hi Holly,
I was just going to burn them at first, then I got some warnings not to do that, and got myself all confused/concerned about the proper way to dispose of them. Anyway, I spoke with my Archdiocese today and they are having an exorcist contact me to make sure I do it right.
Whatever he tells me, I’ll relay here so everyone knows 🙂
That is the correct thing to do and you will be in my rosary this next week. Good for you for going to the top. When in doubt…go with tradition and they will know what to do. God bless you.
 
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Why are some people so intent on Rachel NOT asking for answers from the most proper authority in the Church? :hmmm:

I find it odd, really…
*Maybe the posters aren’t intent on Rachel not asking for answers from the Church. It could be that this is an awfully long thread and some posters aren’t reading every single post prior to their own and just answering the initial question which was, “occult items - what should I do with them?”

It’s always wise to ask the Church such questions first and foremost. I absolutely agree with that.

God bless!
 
I don’t know if this is a response to my post, but I’ll respond anyway.
If Rachel would feel better getting an answer from a priest about this, then she certainly should. However, she posted her question here on a message board instead of going to a priest.
She certainly did. Hence, the vast replies. 😉
 
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