Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

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Well…I don’t think we need many more rich people. I think we need many less poor people instead.

What if (IF) we capped maximum salaries at 500k a year. CEOs, athletes, musicians, everyone. That is way more than enough to live a wealthy lifestyle and get all your rewards for hard work. Then all the profits would instead be re-invested in the company. Wouldn’t you be able to employ more people that way, and create many, many more jobs? Have much much fewer poor people?

Its the sickening greed that has so many people so so poor, and so few so filthy rich. I don’t think its a good conscience that says “welp, its ok if they got rich morally.” Why not re-invest and create a dozen more jobs rather than buy a second mansion? Is this a moral decision? I don’t know, I’m just wondering.

If some people make $1 a day, and someone else makes $100,000 a year…well that’s life. It’s unfair, but it’s the way things go. If someone makes $1 a day and someone else makes $100,000,000 a year…I don’t know man…seems wrong. I don’t know about some of you guys…

I don’t get why this is ok. It’s like seeing some guy cram is face with food until he is stuffed, but still keep going, and there’s one of those malnourished poor kids sitting next to him. Yeah, the eating man got all his food fairly…but its still wrong. Don’t you think? Am I that crazy?
Not to sound crass, but if we limited salaries, you basically take the incentive for people to work hard and use their talents.

Once you parrot the “it isn’t fair” you quickly go down the road of communism, which the Church has condemed as well.

Like Winston Churchill said -
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
 
The thing is these protests aren’t going to help the person with cerebral palsy or downs syndrome. In fact they would divert the few resources available to the truly needy and put it in their pocket.

To be honest if you are healthy and born in the US you’ve already won life’s lottery - several times over. The fact that some are wasting that opportunity and mounting protests because they did waste it reminds me of the story about a bum who wins a million dollar lottery and is homeless in less than a year.
99% of the people born in this country are aleady in the top 1% or so of world wealth.

I simply don’t see a problem here. These protesters never have been to a third world country - or even one that’s “developing” like India or China.
 
So if salaries were capped - what makes you think that money would go to poor people? The fact that you limited the success of some people in no way guarantees the success of others and most likely you have hindered it.
Well a real cap would be silly and unrealistic. The point I was trying to make is that if this hugely gross income level disparity didn’t exist (and it was a more “normal” income disparity) there would be more jobs and less poor people. That’s all.

How many US dollars are in circulation? I don’t know, but I know its certainly not infinite. That means that the more that some people have more, the more others will have less. Dollars wouldn’t start disappearing…they would end up in other people’s hands. Pretty straightforward to me.
 
Well a real cap would be silly and unrealistic. The point I was trying to make is that if this hugely gross income level disparity didn’t exist (and it was a more “normal” income disparity) there would be more jobs and less poor people. That’s all.

How many US dollars are in circulation? I don’t know, but I know its certainly not infinity. The more that some people have more, the more others will have less. Dollars wouldn’t start disappearing… Pretty straightforward to me.
So, we should “cap” salaries under the guise of “raising taxes”?
 
Well…I don’t think we need many more rich people. I think we need many less poor people instead.

What if (IF) we capped maximum salaries at 500k a year. CEOs, athletes, musicians, whoever. That is way more than enough to live a wealthy lifestyle and get all your rewards for hard work. Then all the profits would instead be re-invested in the company. Wouldn’t you be able to employ more people that way, and create many, many more jobs? Have much much fewer poor people would there be? I’m just playing with ideas here.

Its the sickening greed that has so many people so so poor, and so few so filthy rich…
If we capped salaries at $500,000/year, the rest of the world would be grateful because it would snap all those people up in a heartbeat. Let’s see, Japanese baseball would greatly improve. Perhaps the world series would be played in Tokyo. Imagine the Superbowl being played in Brazil or someplace. The CEOs could work in China just as well as here, and certainly in Canada.
 
Well a real cap would be silly and unrealistic. The point I was trying to make is that if this hugely gross income level disparity didn’t exist (and it was a more “normal” income disparity) there would be more jobs and less poor people. That’s all.

How many US dollars are in circulation? I don’t know, but I know its certainly not infinite. That means that the more that some people have more, the more others will have less. Dollars wouldn’t start disappearing…they would end up in other people’s hands. Pretty straightforward to me.
As much as the government wishes to print…which is part of the problem. There was a time when 1 dollar went a long way for a person. Today it will get you nowhere. The more of it there is, the less it’s worth. Do we really believe that today’s poor with all this income level disparity are no better off than they were 100 year ago?

Let’s get real here.
 
If we capped salaries at $500,000/year, the rest of the world would be grateful because it would snap all those people up in a heartbeat. Let’s see, Japanese baseball would greatly improve. Perhaps the world series would be played in Tokyo. Imagine the Superbowl being played in Brazil or someplace. The CEOs could work in China just as well as here, and certainly in Canada.
And none of the innovation would occur here in the USA.

I think there is a CEO compensation problem but it’s largely a [private] problem of the boards/companies/shareholders being dumb enough to write the employment contract.
 
If we capped salaries at $500,000/year, the rest of the world would be grateful because it would snap all those people up in a heartbeat. Let’s see, Japanese baseball would greatly improve. Perhaps the world series would be played in Tokyo. Imagine the Superbowl being played in Brazil or someplace. The CEOs could work in China just as well as here, and certainly in Canada.
Japanese businessmen find it disgraceful to be paid overwhelming high salaries. If a japanese CEO was paid hundred of millions a year and it was publicly discovered, it is likely he would quite literally commit suicide. Amazing, isn’t it? They see it as a terrible dishonor, and dishonest.

They just don’t get paid like their American counterparts. Do you see them leaving in droves? Why would Americans leave in droves then? Perhaps they value money a bit more than they should?

I think this is a cultural problem, like I said originally.
 
And none of the innovation would occur here in the USA.

I think there is a CEO compensation problem but it’s largely a [private] problem of the boards/companies/shareholders being dumb enough to write the employment contract.
So it might NOT be governments problem then?

Well, I’m not a history expert, but I don’t think the income disparity was as great in the late 1800’s and majority of the 1900’s when America was making most of its amazing innovations…yet we still innovated!
 
Japanese businessmen find it disgraceful to be paid overwhelming high salaries. If a japanese CEO was paid hundred of millions a year and it was publicly discovered, it is likely he would quite literally commit suicide. Amazing, isn’t it? They see it as a terrible dishonor, and dishonest.

They just don’t get paid like their American counterparts. Do you see them leaving in droves? Why would Americans leave in droves then? Perhaps they value money a bit more than they should?

I think this is a cultural problem, like I said originally.
YOKOHAMA, Japan—Nissan Motor Co. Chief Executive Carlos Ghosn held on to his place as the highest-paid foreign executive at a listed Japanese company, with ¥982 million ($12.1 million) in total compensation in the latest fiscal year, a rise of 10% from the previous year.
Can we play some hard ball here?
 
So it might NOT be governments problem then?

Well, I’m not a history expert, but I don’t think the income disparity was as great in the late 1800’s and majority of the 1900’s when America was making most of its amazing innovations…yet we still innovated!
But the problem is that people want the government to get involved.

But here’s the irony.

No one seems to care about executive if a company is doing well - Bill Gates made a fortune and created tens of thousands of well paying jobs as well as the Gates foundation. He also made his shareholders money - many of which own Microsoft stock in 401K’s

It’s when the company goes under… Whole 'nother ball game.
 
Let the liberals lead the way in solving this income disparity problem…

How about Pelosi start’s the trend, she shouldn’t have a problem limiting her income.

Surely, that big liberal billionaire, Warren Buffet would soon follow her lead.

Maybe I’ll be lucky enough to get a piece of their pie, simply because they have more than they can eat…I doubt there would be any unintended consequences of limiting Buffet to half a million a year.
 
No, I like softball. Here is a different article. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, honestly. Truth is, they make less money and aren’t leaving their country in droves.
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Average Japanese CEO Earns One-Sixth As Much As American CEOs**
thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/07/08/106536/japanese-ceo-american-sixth/
Again, who cares how much they make as long as they are doing it in a moral fashion and follow all applicable laws?

And, as I implied, most people I know would take a large salary and favorable employment terms if offered one.
 
When it’s not a zero-sum game, sure. But at the moment, in the current situation, we are not, contrary to the many defenders of the wealth disparity on these boards, experienceing a soaring economy that just happens to be helping the rich more than it is the middle class or poor. We are experiencing a stagnant economy that, in spite of its stagnation, is yielding greater gains for the extremely wealthy.

Now, when the economy as a hole is not growing, or is growing at the slowest rate in past 20 or so years, and yet, very top few percent has increased its net worth at a faster pace than it was even before the crisis, then there is likely something other than jealosy. When Warren Buffet is doing better every day, while everyone else is struggling, that is probably what bothers people, especially people who are working no less hard than they were before.
 
$12 million is NOT a lot for the head of a major multi-national corporation. Here is a different article. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, honestly. Truth is, they make less money and aren’t leaving their country in droves.
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Average Japanese CEO Earns One-Sixth As Much As American CEOs**
thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/07/08/106536/japanese-ceo-american-sixth/
That’s still 2 million dollars a year!!

12 million is not low, it is exactly the average pay of an American CEO.

We have over twice the population and over twice the GDP Japan has.

You wanted to make it out as if they work for chump change out of honor and pride for their country.
 
So it might NOT be governments problem then?

Well, I’m not a history expert, but I don’t think the income disparity was as great in the late 1800’s and majority of the 1900’s when America was making most of its amazing innovations…yet we still innovated!
Its not the “government’s” fault, since government in America is made up of elected individuals. It is the ambitious politicians who have put personal interests (their political careers) over the interests of the nation that are to blame. So, it is greed after all. Policitians are as much to blame for the problem as corporations are.
 
$12 million is NOT a lot for the head of a major multi-national corporation. Here is a different article. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, honestly. Truth is, they make less money and aren’t leaving their country in droves.
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Average Japanese CEO Earns One-Sixth As Much As American CEOs**
thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/07/08/106536/japanese-ceo-american-sixth/
As an addendum, a common compensation is company stock.

For example, Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, will get 1,000,000 of company stock:

macrumors.com/2011/08/26/apple-awards-tim-cook-1000000-shares-of-stock-as-ceo-bonus/

Stock is the (percieved) value of the company - so do you think it’s in Cook’s best interest (and the interest of Apple’s shareholders, employees and customers) to keep or increase the value of Apple’s stock?
 
Well a real cap would be silly and unrealistic. The point I was trying to make is that if this hugely gross income level disparity didn’t exist (and it was a more “normal” income disparity) there would be more jobs and less poor people. That’s all.
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How would there be more jobs? Wouldn’t there be fewer jobs?
 
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