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ComputerGeek25
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why protest when you can riot?
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je333
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Praise the lord!!! i can’t believe i’m reading something i like…
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je333
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Most, if not all, of the rich saints reliquished all their worldly wealth/goods and donated them to the poor.
I am very proud of my Catholic Faith. I will respect what the Catholic Church teaches but it does not mean I have to agree with everything that it teaches. The Catholic Church once taught that everything around the universe revolves around the Earth and condemned/persecuted Galileo for teaching Heliocentrism which is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around a stationary Sun at the center of the solar system. Jesus taught against the doctrines and the very religion he belonged to which ended to his death on the cross!
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FORBIDS “COMMUNISM” THAT WAS MODELED AFTER RUSSIA THAT FORBIDS RELIGION AND THE CROONIES THAT CAPITALIZED ON THIS HORRIFIC/DISTORTED FORM OF COMMUNISM.
HOW MANY TIME DO WE UTTER BUT REALLY DONT BELIEVE IF WE ARE TO RECITE THE NICENE CREED… “…I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRT, THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE COMMUNION WITH SAITHS…”
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Wolseley
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I can’t, and neither can anyone else. Original sin is a mystery, and there are no explanations for mysteries.
Problems, you see, have answers. A problem is a difficulty which an answer can be found for, something like “What is two plus two?”, or “Who was the king of France in 1791?”, or “What happens if you mix Chemical A and Chemical B in a beaker and then heat the mixture?”. These can be explained by means of intellectual or scientific investigation.
Mysteries are a different breed of cat. A mystery is a difficulty which has no ultimate answer; something which must be accepted on faith; something like “Does God exist?”, or “Why is there evil?”, or “How can there be one God with three Persons?”. Original sin is one of these mysteries.
We don’t know what the sin consisted of. If you take the literal view of Sacred Scripture, of course, it consisted of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit, but just as legitimate is the interpretation that the fruit is allegorical or symbolic for some other action.
Ultimately, what we do know is that mankind chose, either deliberately or through malevolent deception, to disobey God’s direct command, which led to a destruction of the grace which he had previously enjoyed with God. The result, in the words of the old Baltimore Catechism from my youth, led to a darkened understanding or intellect, a weakened will to adhere to goodness, and a strong incliniation to commit evil.
Ultimately, whether you’re Augustine or Aquinas or dumb little old me, that’s really all we can know. Original sin was an act of disobedience towards God. The specifics of the actual action is not something which we can positively be sure of this side of the grave. I’m sorry to be so vague, but that’s the nature of mysteries.
Thus endeth the theological lesson for today.
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je333
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:I THINK I KNOW AND YOU KNOW WHAT IM TRYING TO GET INTO. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS. I CANNOT BE MISTAKEN AND I DO BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS
:tsktsk::tsktsk: you are a bad boy my dear brother…
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estesbob
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Occupy Portland Man Arrested 'On Suspicion of Throwing a Molotov Cocktail’
weeklystandard.com/blogs/occupy-portland-man-arrested-suspicion-throwing-molotov-cocktail_607948.html
weeklystandard.com/blogs/occupy-portland-man-arrested-suspicion-throwing-molotov-cocktail_607948.html
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Wolseley
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If you’re thinking that I believe the “eating of the fruit” is allegorical for sexual intercourse, you couldn’t possibly be more mistaken.
I THINK I KNOW AND YOU KNOW WHAT IM TRYING TO GET INTO. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS. I CANNOT BE MISTAKEN AND I DO BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS
I personally think the “eating of the forbidden fruit” is allegorical for mankind deciding to replace God’s instructions with his own will; self-worship, the very first form of idolatry.
But that’s just my idea. Others may have differing interpretations.
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Not all the saints indeed. I gave two examples. I could also point to King David who was a man after God’s own heart despite his wealth. It is not money, but the love of money, or attachment to wealth, that is evil. All the saints that maintained wealth were very generous with that wealth and not attached to it. It was theirs by virtue of position or title, but they belonged heart and soul to God. The Church has consistently taught the right to ownership, as derived from the Commandment, “Thou shalt not steal”. This is not something one can dissent from. The condemnation of communism was not based on Russia, but on divine law and the right of ownership.
I think it noteworthy to consider the early Christian Church in Jerusalem, who held all things in common. This works better for a small group than a larger group. Within a generation we find this same Church in dire straits financially and having to reach out to Asia Minor for aid. Not that by this time, there was no longer communalism through the Church. The offering was a voluntary one taken up for this special need. Hence the great Catholic Tradition of a second collection.
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Thank you for keeping this thread on topic, estesbob.
Interestingly enough, having visited the Liturgy of the Hours website “Universalis,” I see that asking for the intercessory prayers from the Saint of the Day that the OWS protests go from “chaos” to peace would seem appropriate and fitting, and this ties in with your post about the man being arrested on suspicion of throwing a molotov cocktail.
Today is the Feast Day of Pope St. Leo the Great.
Pope St Leo the Great (- 461)
He was born in Etruria and became Pope in 440. He was a true shepherd and father of souls. He constantly strove to keep the faith whole and strenuously defended the unity of the Church. He repelled the invasions of the barbarians or alleviated their effects, famously persuading Attila the Hun not to march on Rome in 452 and preventing the invading Vandals from massacring the population in 455. He left many doctrinal and spiritual writings behind and a number of them are included in the Office of Readings to this day. He died in 461.
See the articles in the Catholic Encyclopaedia and Wikipedia.
Pope St. Leo the Great,
pray for us!
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gilliam
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LIVE VIDEO: over the scene of a shooting near the occupy Oakland camp - awe.sm/5ZFxH
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je333
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are you sure i need to polish up on my theology or maybe you should? are you catholic? do you believe that jesus who was born around 2000 years ago was conceived of the holy spirit, born of the VIRGIN MARY? who is jesus to you?
ur interpretation of the forbidden fruit by EVE is self-worship? even jesus christ who is god did not worship himself but worship his father, the one who sent him(not the fake one who is around 91 year old from asia…
:dts::dts: who do you consider your true father? your true parents?DON’T TREAD ON ME(333)BUT IM ALSO A LOVING PERSON
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je333
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Jesus said:
MATTHEW 25:35-40
35 'For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘TRULY I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE BROTHERS AND SISITERS OF MINE, YOU DID FOR ME.’
MATTHEW 25:35-40
35 'For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘TRULY I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE BROTHERS AND SISITERS OF MINE, YOU DID FOR ME.’
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JimG
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Yes, he said these things in the account of the last judgment in Matthew’s gospel. Theologically, it is noteworthy that he doesn’t separate the sheep from the goats based on their faith or lack of faith, but rather on their ‘works,’ what they have done or not done for their fellow man.
It’s also noteworthy that people are judged individually by their own actions, not their collective actions. He does not separate the sheep from the goats based on whether or not they supported Democratic or Republican politics, whether they were fiscally liberal or conservative. He doesn’t judge one as saved on the basis of having voted for universal health insurance or social security, rather, he judges us based on our own individual actions.
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It would be a lot easier to read your posts if you would cut out the technicolor, big fonts and all caps.are you sure i need to polish up on my theology or maybe you should? are you catholic? do you believe that jesus who was born around 2000 years ago was conceived of the holy spirit, born of the VIRGIN MARY? who is jesus to you?
ur interpretation of the forbidden fruit by EVE is self-worship? even jesus christ who is god did not worship himself but worship his father, the one who sent him(not the fake one who is around 91 year old from asia…
DON’T TREAD ON ME(333)BUT IM ALSO A LOVING PERSON
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TropicalTribe
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Easier to read? How can you miss it?
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Darryl1958
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In a movement that prides itself on not being stuck into any box, this is not just one protester. This is just yet another protester as legitimate and as representative of the movement as any other.
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1voice
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It was clearly the obvious outcome… Human excrement and flag burning within the first 48 hours … Figure it out.
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1voice
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Originally Posted by estesbob
Occupy Portland Man Arrested ‘On Suspicion of Throwing a Molotov Cocktail’
weeklystandard.com/blogs/…il_607948.html
Occupy Portland Man Arrested ‘On Suspicion of Throwing a Molotov Cocktail’
weeklystandard.com/blogs/…il_607948.html
I live in Portland. I have driven past the tent city. The place attracts derelicts. No one with any sense would allow their family anywhere near those people. The city workers wont even clean the public toilets in the area … One of them had a hypodermic needle thrown at him by a heroine addict.
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je333
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I agree. Do you know that in addition to your actions, you will also be judged on all your thoughts and contemplations, prayers, meditations, everything that went on in your head. And there’s more!
Everything that went on in your heart, for what good is a “good” action if it was just a pretense?
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je333
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Yes, my brother, I will consider. :hug3:
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