Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

[je333]

Not all the saints indeed. I gave two examples. I could also point to King David who was a man after God’s own heart despite his wealth. It is not money, but the love of money, or attachment to wealth, that is evil. All the saints that maintained wealth were very generous with that wealth and not attached to it. It was theirs by virtue of position or title, but they belonged heart and soul to God. The Church has consistently taught the right to ownership, as derived from the Commandment, “Thou shalt not steal”. This is not something one can dissent from. The condemnation of communism was not based on Russia, but on divine law and the right of ownership.

I think it noteworthy to consider the early Christian Church in Jerusalem, who held all things in common. This works better for a small group than a larger group. Within a generation we find this same Church in dire straits financially and having to reach out to Asia Minor for aid. Not that by this time, there was no longer communalism through the Church. The offering was a voluntary one taken up for this special need. Hence the great Catholic Tradition of a second collection.

 

[je333]

It is not money, but the love of money, or attachment to wealth, that is evil…The Church has consistently taught the right to ownership, as derived from the Commandment, “Thou shalt not steal”. This is not something one can dissent from. The condemnation of communism was not based on Russia, but on divine law and the right of ownership.

“THOU SHALT NOT STEAL” can also be interpreted as keeping goods/things to yourself and not generously sharing to people who are in desperate need. In my own ideal world where everyone gives(your talents, actions, professions) in a monetary less society, the 7th commandment is disobeyed the moment a person focused things on himself. it is the other people(everybody else besides yourself) who give/provide you what you need. it is also a sign of luck of trusts on others and god when you focused things on yourself.

i don’t remember saying that money is evil. money and any form of government are tools that both God and the devil use. we are in a spiritual battle and our main goal is to defeat the devil and all the other evil spirits. it is a situational case. if I was living during the height of communism and saw the evil and horror, yes, i would support and promote capitalism or any form of government that would combat the evilness. North Korea desperately needs a change in government. LET US PRAY TO THE SUFFERING PEOPLE OF NORTH KOREANS. In our current situations, here in the west, capitalism is just not working anymore. The gap between the rich and poor is so evident. You can use communism to combat evilness to change the government.

crucifixion was once a tool of persecution by the Romans. the image of the crucifixion of our GOD, JESUS CHRIST, is the ultimate horror but we use that evilness to combat against the devil. The same thing with communism. communism is not evil!!!(don’t hate and attack me!) read on…

so here is my proposal. the quickest way to disarm the devil is to dismantle our monetary system. it will at least weaken him. we can change our form of government to communism(please readers, don’t attack me). my definition of communism is nothing similar to the horror types that was practiced in north korea, china or russia!!! if you want to know the details you can read my older posts. it’s basically similar to monastic living with houses for caring, houses for learning and houses for worship. no guns and military gangsters.

 

[uni_embrace]

I’ll be upfront and say I am not a fan of the Tea Party (from what I read and hear Down Under), but at least they seem to go through the appropriate channels and are lawful. Some of the issues of the Occupy movement aren’t objectionable per se and I’d like to think many Catholics would agree with them, but they don’t seem to be well organised or have a fully coherent agenda.

 

[Wolseley]

are you sure i need to polish up on my theology or maybe you should? are you catholic? do you believe that jesus who was born around 2000 years ago was conceived of the holy spirit, born of the VIRGIN MARY? who is jesus to you?

ur interpretation of the forbidden fruit by EVE is self-worship? even jesus christ who is god did not worship himself but worship his father, the one who sent him(not the fake one who is around 91 year old from asia…:dts::dts: who do you consider your true father? your true parents?

DON’T TREAD ON ME(333)BUT IM ALSO A LOVING PERSON

I have no idea why I am the recipient of your animosity, friend; but if you want to know what I believe, go read the Nicene Creed. I believe every word.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Shootings are X2 now with Oakland and NH.

What happened to the “peace” part of the protest? I know isolated incidents…Right?

Peace

 

[purplesunshine]

Shootings are X2 now with Oakland and NH.

What happened to the “peace” part of the protest? I know isolated incidents…Right?

Peace

something happened in nh?

please link me!!!

Everyone else. Lets get over this j333 guy. Ignore him. Communism=bad. We all know that. hasn’t worked for one society anywhere in the world to date. We read the book in highschool. He is not going to change his attack on the values we hold dear.

 

[pnewton]

Shootings are X2 now with Oakland and NH.

What happened to the “peace” part of the protest? I know isolated incidents…Right?

Right, unless you are suggesting that shootings in Oakland were a rarity prior to this movement.

This line of argument is a mirror to what the media was doing to the Tea Party during its protests.

 

[pnewton]

Ignore him. Communism=bad.

The Church has spoken on communism. j333 can make it about the evil of totalitarianism, but that is not the reason the Church condemns it. Rather, the ownership of private property is inherent in moral law. No form of government that excludes this right is acceptable.

 

[purplesunshine]

Right, unless you are suggesting that shootings in Oakland were a rarity prior to this movement.

This line of argument is a mirror to what the media was doing to the Tea Party during its protests.

A shooting in NH WOULD be news as that place…like Vermot and Maine has a shooting once a month, if that. (Well minus all the hunters accidentally shooting eachother)

 

[vz71]

Generally when I am looking through mail, I throw out those that use typeface and color so glaringly to capture my attention.

Most of the time it is junk mail.

And I must confess that I am treating posts here that way as well.

 

[SamH]

Generally when I am looking through mail, I throw out those that use typeface and color so glaringly to capture my attention.

Most of the time it is junk mail.

And I must confess that I am treating posts here that way as well.

Good policy. Trust me, you are not missing anything.

 

[iamrefreshed]

The difference between the Tea Party movement and OWS is night and day. I fail to see how even a rabid OWS supporter cannot see the difference.

One side purchases permits, protests peacefully, cleans up after themselves and goes home.

The other illegally ‘occupies’ private and public property, commits felonies including rape, fails to report rape, creates filth for others to clean and refuses to go home.

 

[vz71]

The difference between the Tea Party movement and OWS is night and day. I fail to see how even a rabid OWS supporter cannot see the difference.

For a brief period of time, I was conceding that they are both protests.

But then I discovered how rabidly the OWS crowd is clinging to this ‘occupy’ term.

So this last area that may have been considered common is no longer there.

 

[Maso]

They are the “Lumpen Proletariant” ( Sp…? ) of the Marxist idiology. Read up on it. Simply put… it’s the down and outers of society that are being played by revolutionary forces. They’re trying to start something, a violent revolution. DON’T GIVE IT TO THEM…!!! Realize this… the more frustrated that they get in trying to start a revolutionary fire in America, the more rediculous they will look publicly. Let them make fools of themselves. Keep the faith and drink your tea… let then serve up the Kool Aide.

Read more: foxnews.com/us/2011/11/10/vermont-police-investigate-possible-shooting-at-occupy-burlington/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews#comment#ixzz1dPFEMUYd

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Right, unless you are suggesting that shootings in Oakland were a rarity prior to this movement.

This line of argument is a mirror to what the media was doing to the Tea Party during its protests.

And isn’t it ironic that the same people who distrust the media, accept anything reported about the OWS as near gospel truth?

Jim

 

[vz71]

And isn’t it ironic that the same people who distrust the media, accept anything reported about the OWS as near gospel truth?

Jim

A great deal of the news concerning the OWS gang has audio or video footage to go along with it.

That is a stark contrast to the media reports on the tea parties.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

A great deal of the news concerning the OWS gang has audio or video footage to go along with it.

That is a stark contrast to the media reports on the tea parties.

Same for the Tea Party Rallies.

Jim

 

[scipio337]

A great deal of the news concerning the OWS gang has audio or video footage to go along with it.

That is a stark contrast to the media reports on the tea parties.

No to mention, comparing tha acts of the two movements is like comparing apples to rutabagas.

The OWS police reports are well documented, as opposed to the phantom spitting incident.

 

[vz71]

The OWS police reports are well documented, as opposed to the phantom spitting incident.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[GaryTaylor]

You mean like this?

Two deaths have struck at the heart of the Occupy protest movement. A war veteran has killed himself at the Burlington encampment, while a young man was gunned down near the activists’ camp in Oakland.

The tragedy in Burlington happened on Thursday afternoon. The 35-year-old veteran, believed to be called Josh, shot himself in the head in one of the tents, according to local media reports. He was still alive when the police took him to hospital, but died from the wound several hours later.

Meanwhile in Oakland, a young man was shot dead in the evening near the Occupy encampment outside City Hall. After being rushed away in an ambulance, he was pronounced dead on arrival at hospital.

Protesters, who have just marked their movement’s one-month anniversary, say the death was not related to Occupy Oakland. Rather, the man was killed in a fight between two local gangs.

Deputy Chief Andi Higbee in Burlington told reporters the shooting raised questions about whether the protest would be allowed to continue.

“Our responsibility is to keep the public safe. When there is a discharge of a firearm in a public place like this it’s good cause to be concerned, greatly concerned,” Higbee said.

That’s also the feeling with some people in Oakland.

And what does this have to do with the Tea Party? I believe I’m missing that point?