Offensive Art in Corpus Christi

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I stumbled upon this article:

Offensive Art Display in Corpus Christi, Texas

Here’s a qoute from the article by Father Farfaglia:

"However, allow me to be frank and clear. If, at any time, you were to ever have anything here that might be clearly offensive to Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary or the Pope, I will be your worse nightmare. That priest over there and myself will have 5,000 people in front of your door and we will shut you down. Do you understand?”

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Awesome quote! I love it! As for offensive art, I say if there is any, take it down!
 
There was only one thing the good father said that I would have prefered he keep to himself. When describing the person who he met with at the art gallery he says:
His appearance was rather typical of the art people, kind of a left-over burnout from the 60’s.
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Sounds rather judgemental if you ask me. I’m sure there are many faithful Catholics that fit this description.

Nohome
 
We can be offended, but we can not destroy art or have it’s removal, when it is in a private gallery, simply because we do not approve of the subject.

that is censoring free speech. the display is on private property, it is inside out of public view, and the gallery owner has every right to display the art. Its his business.

while i dissapprove artwork that is mocking to any religion, i will defend the artists right to make that artwork.

The Priest, in his letter, sounded like the leader of the mob hunting the Frankenstein monster. It was a little to ‘lynch’ like for a priest to express in my opinion.

the taliban destroyed 1500 year old sculptured buddhas in afganistan for the same reason, they didn’t agree with the subject.

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thechrismyster said:
We can be offended, but we can not destroy art or have it’s removal, when it is in a private gallery, simply because we do not approve of the subject.

that is censoring free speech. the display is on private property, it is inside out of public view, and the gallery owner has every right to display the art. Its his business.

while i dissapprove artwork that is mocking to any religion, i will defend the artists right to make that artwork.

The Priest, in his letter, sounded like the leader of the mob hunting the Frankenstein monster. It was a little to ‘lynch’ like for a priest to express in my opinion.

the taliban destroyed 1500 year old sculptured buddhas in afganistan for the same reason, they didn’t agree with the subject.

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I respectfully disagree. We also have the right to organize and legally protest, which is what Father “threatened” to do should there be any offensive art. Who says the man cannot make the art he pleases? He can make offensive art… However, in a Catholic community, we also have the right to not have that rubbish come into our communities. While we cannot do anything illegal for its removal… We can protest, and do things which are our rights as well.

Demonstrations and protests are civil ways of getting ones point across, which is what Father was advocating. You can use your same arguments to defend the availability of abortion.
 
Nohome said:
There was only one thing the good father said that I would have prefered he keep to himself. When describing the person who he met with at the art gallery he says:

Sounds rather judgemental if you ask me. I’m sure there are many faithful Catholics that fit this description.

Nohome
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Maybe he should’ve kept it to himself, I’m on the fence on that one. We all have our opinions whether they are in our head or not. Such as someone looks nice, somoene looks sloppy, someone is dressed well, someone resembles someone else, someone looks like a hippy, someone looks like a businessman, etc.

I think the word: “judging” is thrown around way too much.
Are we not to have a mind and opinions? The Bible when it speaks of not judging, it means we are not to judge on ones salvation for only God can judge people.

For sure we can state when we think something. However, it may not always be prudent to say. Which is what I think you are getting at: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you mean that it wasn’t prudent that he say those things. In that, I think we agree. Probably not, cause they can possibly be used against him in an attempt to paint him as a person that he is not.
 
James_2_24 said:
You can use your same arguments to defend the availability of abortion.
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no you can’t.

they are completely different things. one is art the other is murder.

we need to employ common sense, when artwork is offensive, it is only artwork. it can tie your pants into a knot and make you riled, but no one is dying over it…not all things are equal, to say defending art and abortion are remotely arguable along the same vein of reasoning doesn’t pass the laugh or common sense test.
 
James_2_24 said:
Demonstrations and protests are civil ways of getting ones point across, which is what Father was advocating.
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against a political or government body, fine.

against a private citizen or gallery displaying artwork, not fine.

what if the pagans and new-agers protest 5000 strong to shut down your parish because they think our Catholic views and denial of their gods exisistence are wrong and slander them…
would you support them? or do you support only views you agree with?
 
James_2_24 said:
For sure we can state when we think something. However, it may not always be prudent to say. Which is what I think you are getting at: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you mean that it wasn’t prudent that he say those things. In that, I think we agree. Probably not, cause they can possibly be used against him in an attempt to paint him as a person that he is not.
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Yes, this is what I meant, though I’m also concerned that some “long haired hippy” will no longer feel wlecome in his church.

Nohome
 
thechrismyster said:
no you can’t.

they are completely different things. one is art the other is murder.

we need to employ common sense, when artwork is offensive, it is only artwork. it can tie your pants into a knot and make you riled, but no one is dying over it…not all things are equal, to say defending art and abortion are remotely arguable along the same vein of reasoning doesn’t pass the laugh or common sense test.
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Yes you can. The objectiver word here is “right”, that is, the artists’ right. I am not comparing art to murder in anyway.

Yes, I can use the very argument for abortion: “while i disagree with abortion, i respect people’s rights to have one”.

In fact, if you will look around – this same argument is ALREADY being used by so-called Catholic politicians.

You are not talking about the same thing I’m talking about. I am not talking about the nature of the act: art and murder. I don’t compare those two anywhere. I am talking about the ARGUMENT used to ALLOW the act to exist.
 
thechrismyster said:
against a political or government body, fine.

against a private citizen or gallery displaying artwork, not fine.

what if the pagans and new-agers protest 5000 strong to shut down your parish because they think our Catholic views and denial of their gods exisistence are wrong and slander them…
would you support them? or do you support only views you agree with?
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Political or gov’t bodies only? Are we all wrong when we protest outside the doors of a abortion clinic?

Yes I only support views I agree with. I don’t support abortion cause I don’t agree with it. I don’t support contraception cause I don’t agree with it. If new agers and pagans want to protest, let them, that is within their rights.
 
thechrismyster said:
against a private citizen or gallery displaying artwork, not fine.
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Yes it’s fine. If a public citizen displays his/her offensive gallery in which he/she allows the public access to then people have the right to protest if they are offended by it. Also, this is no longer private if the public is allowed to come in.

But if you’re talking about a private citizen displaying offensive work in his own house without the intent of showing it to the public then I agree with you.
 
thechrismyster said:
no you can’t.

they are completely different things. one is art the other is murder.
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Two different things but they both warrant a protest. One is murder and the other is display art that is offensive to Christ’s Church. Put up something that is offensive to Jews, Moslems, etc. and they will protest put up something that is offensive to Catholics and many, including Catholics, seem to say, “that’s okay”.
 
sorry folks, you’re all wrong on this if you side with suppressing artistic expression in the name of not offending sensibilities.

furthermore, aside from the articles description, has anyone actually seen the ‘offensive’ art? if you haven’t, are you simply saddling up on the bandwagon?

regardless if you don’t like or are offended by any artwork, in a nutshell… tough.
just like life, not all art is beautiful… to shut it down at the first inkling of offending someone… thats a free society that is no longer free.
 
thechrismyster said:
sorry folks, you’re all wrong on this if you side with suppressing artistic expression in the name of not offending sensibilities.

furthermore, aside from the articles description, has anyone actually seen the ‘offensive’ art? if you haven’t, are you simply saddling up on the bandwagon?

regardless if you don’t like or are offended by any artwork, in a nutshell… tough.
just like life, not all art is beautiful… to shut it down at the first inkling of offending someone… thats a free society that is no longer free.
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So pornography is alright with you? That’s offensive and if you’re a Catholic you should protest it and hope that it’s banned.

Call it art and it’s okay?
 
BaldwinIV said:
I see the Taliban are still alive and well on these forums.
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If I understand what you’re saying if it’s “art” anything goes. So with that reasoning we can create “art” that is highly offensive to Jesus (use your imagination here) and it would be fine and dandy. How about art depicting Jesus reading a pornographic material? It’s art. So according to some peoples reasoning on here it’s untouchable. Sad…
 
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