Official: Some Clinton emails 'too damaging' to release

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Hilary chooses to refer to her “security review” and isn’t in the slightest concerned over it.
Wonder if she gets her word tips from Bill.

Note to Hilary: The FBI does not do “security reviews”, they do criminal investigations.
 
Ah, I see. So when Sean Hannity goes on his show on Fox News saying that sources say that charges are imminent, I should not take that as factually correct because it’s not Fox News’ position despite it being told on a Fox News show by a Fox News employee.

They like to muddy the waters, don’t they?

Crossbones
Sean isn’t a reporter, trust him as you would any other pundit. People have already highlighted the difference between News programs and Opinion programs on the networks.​

For the thread, I found this article informative

The Email Saga
The more you know about the State Department, the worse Hillary’s actions look.

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For alumni of U.S. national-security departments and agencies, Hillary Clinton’s email saga is mind-numbing. The publicly available information makes clear she and her aides violated so many elementary security prohibitions that alumni are speechless. They wonder, had they done what she did, how quickly they would have lost their clearances and jobs and how extensive the criminal indictments against them would be.

By contrast, many who have never served in government or dealt with classified information see the affair as opaque, even overblown. Certainly Clinton has worked hard to foster that impression. Leaving political spin aside, and without delving into arcane legal analysis, which is it? What did Clinton and her entourage actually do day-to-day, and what does it mean? In hopes of making things a little clearer, herewith the observations of one State Department alumnus, who has pondered how he would look in an orange jumpsuit were he in Clinton’s shoes.

State, like other national-security agencies, has both classified and unclassified ways for its employees, especially the most senior, to communicate. Clinton erred in two separate but often confused ways. First, she used private channels for official government business, and second, she used unclassified channels to send and receive classified information.

Her first error violates basic common sense, familiar to any private business: Business channels should be used for business purposes and personal channels for personal purposes. Obviously, there can be ambiguity between business and personal communications, such as one spouse asking another, “When will you be home for dinner?” But in Clinton’s case, there seems to be no ambiguity: She simply did not use government channels for her electronic communications. Her motive was almost certainly to put information she alone deemed personal beyond government access, which is impermissible even for the most junior clerk, let alone the secretary of state. Clinton’s private email system by definition undercuts her defense that she complied with government record-keeping requirements because all her emails went to unclassified government accounts (such as her aides’). Without full access to her server, why should we believe Clinton didn’t send emails to aides’ private email addresses, thereby shielding them entirely from potential government retrieval?

Clinton’s second error, using unclassified email systems—whether her private accounts or State’s unclassified email system (through her aides)—to transmit material that should have remained in classified channels, is the nub of the email issue. Clinton has asserted that what she did with her private channels was “allowed.” Yet she has produced no evidence whatever of who did this “allowing” that was contrary to applicable statutes and express State Department regulations involving official business and information security.

Clinton clearly did not vigorously pursue normal State procedures to have her private email server legitimized. Had she somehow gotten the necessary signoffs from the bureaucracy, she would have at least had cover from the current firestorm, and we would have heard about it long ago. Far more likely, she realized that, had she asked plainly, she would have been told plainly that her scheme was way out of bounds.

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. Her motive was almost certainly to put information she alone deemed personal beyond government access,
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That is the elephant in the room.

Once people acknowledge what they already know, and accept what their common sense is telling them, then everything else falls into place.
 
Crossbones
Sean isn’t a reporter, trust him as you would any other pundit. People have already highlighted the difference between News programs and Opinion programs on the networks.
I see. So, Sean’s unnamed sources might or might not be reliable, but he’s allowed to go on Fox News and talk about what these unnamed sources tell him. But when Fox News talks about unnamed sources in an article then it’s a fact because this is being held to a Fox News journalistic standard that Fox News doesn’t hold Sean Hannity to. And, later, if Sean Hannity’s unnamed sources cause Rep. Issa to call for charges against Secretary Clinton, that’ll be news, so Fox News will report that, but whether or not Rep. Issa’s views were swayed by sources that may or may not be reliable comes out no where in the article.

It seems like it just is easier to assume that it’s unreliable, but I guess if it tells someone what they want to hear, they might take it for fact and make weird delineations about when we can treat what’s on the channel as fact and when we cannot.
 
A little snippit from the Washington Post Article:

“Sure, she shouldn’t have used only a private email address and server while serving as secretary of state. But that error was a small one, not the sort of huge deal that Republicans and the media are trying to turn it into.”

The Republicans, and if one is to believe other information, also the FBI. But who knows - maybe the FBI is in the pocket of the Republicans???

Or is it that the issue of the server is getting so big, the Washington Post doesn’t know how to swallow it, so it attempts a sleight of hand dismissal, as if it might go away on its own?
 
In other words, you don’t know and cannot back up your claim. I would suggest you not make claims that you cannot back up.
You are clearly off topic, and apparently do not want to do any research, I receive two reports monthly, both of which deal either directly or indirectly with the matter. I don’t need to back it up, in part because it is irrelevant to the thread, and in part, because anyone who knows enough economics to come in out of the rain can answer questions like this.
 
None by themselves. Every news agency makes mistakes and often times there is a political slant or poor journalistic practices taking place. An FBI investigation taking place, which has been reported by many outlets and that charges are impending has been reported by one. I believe that an FBI is investigating and I don’t believe charges are about to be filed.
The FBI cannot bring charges; all they can do is gather evidence, and present it ultimately to the Attorney General.

Politics could enter anywhere along the line; one of the places it could enter is whether or not the public will know that the FBI has made a formal report to the Attorney General. If that is not made public, then it is possible we could enter upon the “pea and three walnut shells” game of guessing what such a report might look like, and where it may or may not be.
 
Ah, I see. So when Sean Hannity goes on his show on Fox News saying that sources say that charges are imminent, I should not take that as factually correct because it’s not Fox News’ position despite it being told on a Fox News show by a Fox News employee.

They like to muddy the waters, don’t they?
Or stir them. Sources say any number of things, and sometimes the sources are guessing (based on information they have, and conjecture based on that) and sometimes they have information leaked by another source which, at the time, is accurate. However, the conjecture may not be accurate.

It is one thing for a source to say “We have information sufficient that an indictment could be obtained” and be truthful and accurate; but that does not mean that a prosecutor will bring charges. Charges sufficient for an indictment are not always sufficient for a conviction.
 
Hilary chooses to refer to her “security review” and isn’t in the slightest concerned over it.
Wonder if she gets her word tips from Bill.

Note to Hilary: The FBI does not do “security reviews”, they do criminal investigations.
Neither she nor Bill fell off the rutabaga truck as it rolled through the town square. Sadly, as bright as they are, they seem to be able to spin something as easily as they breath - and just about as often.
 
You are clearly off topic, and apparently do not want to do any research, I receive two reports monthly, both of which deal either directly or indirectly with the matter. I don’t need to back it up, in part because it is irrelevant to the thread, and in part, because anyone who knows enough economics to come in out of the rain can answer questions like this.
Since politics has a great deal to do with this discussion, and since “middle class” is a recognized political term, it looks fair game to me. I see that the political effect of competing news services is also being discussed. Economists of all stripes use the term “middle class,” a non-rigorous term, for their own purposes. Median income, on the other hand, does have a rigorous definition, but lacks the rhetorical effect of “middle class.”
 
You are clearly off topic, and apparently do not want to do any research, I receive two reports monthly, both of which deal either directly or indirectly with the matter. I don’t need to back it up, in part because it is irrelevant to the thread, and in part, because anyone who knows enough economics to come in out of the rain can answer questions like this.
If it is so simple, then how come you can’t answer the question?
 
Since politics has a great deal to do with this discussion, and since “middle class” is a recognized political term, it looks fair game to me. I see that the political effect of competing news services is also being discussed. Economists of all stripes use the term “middle class,” a non-rigorous term, for their own purposes. Median income, on the other hand, does have a rigorous definition, but lacks the rhetorical effect of “middle class.”
Median income is a whole different thing than middle class. Economists use the term median income all the time. They rarely use the term middle class since it is not well defined.
 
I see. So, Sean’s unnamed sources might or might not be reliable, but he’s allowed to go on Fox News and talk about what these unnamed sources tell him. But when Fox News talks about unnamed sources in an article then it’s a fact because this is being held to a Fox News journalistic standard that Fox News doesn’t hold Sean Hannity to. And, later, if Sean Hannity’s unnamed sources cause Rep. Issa to call for charges against Secretary Clinton, that’ll be news, so Fox News will report that, but whether or not Rep. Issa’s views were swayed by sources that may or may not be reliable comes out no where in the article.

It seems like it just is easier to assume that it’s unreliable, but I guess if it tells someone what they want to hear, they might take it for fact and make weird delineations about when we can treat what’s on the channel as fact and when we cannot.
I’m sure you will always find an excuse to discount what you don’t like 🙂
I don’t think Sean is lying about his discussions with his contacts, no need to fabricate.

There remains a difference though between news reports and opinion program discussion on issues. News programs are expected to cross check such information to ensure it is true, eliminate the risk of error or a disgruntled employee making hay.
A little snippit from the Washington Post Article:

“Sure, she shouldn’t have used only a private email address and server while serving as secretary of state. But that error was a small one, not the sort of huge deal that Republicans and the media are trying to turn it into.”

The Republicans, and if one is to believe other information, also the FBI. But who knows - maybe the FBI is in the pocket of the Republicans???

Or is it that the issue of the server is getting so big, the Washington Post doesn’t know how to swallow it, so it attempts a sleight of hand dismissal, as if it might go away on its own?
I thought the writer was paraphrasing Hillary’s defense on the issue when she has freelanced, not espousing the WaPo position.
 
I’m sure you will always find an excuse to discount what you don’t like 🙂
I don’t think Sean is lying about his discussions with his contacts, no need to fabricate.
Then why’d you bring up the point that it was a pundit that claimed indictments were imminent if not to say that it could be discounted and not really part of Fox News?
There remains a difference though between news reports and opinion program discussion on issues. News programs are expected to cross check such information to ensure it is true, eliminate the risk of error or a disgruntled employee making hay.
So, now we’re back to Sean isn’t credible. Got it.
 
I thought the writer was paraphrasing Hillary’s defense on the issue when she has freelanced, not espousing the WaPo position.
I went back and re-read it; I take it to be a comment by Cillizza, as either writing for the Washington Post, or the Post publishing his blog in which he states it. I think that is Hillary’s position, but as I read it, I take the article not so much to be anti Hillary as to be pro Hillary but criticizing her for not being prepared for the Goldman Sachs question.
 
Then why’d you bring up the point that it was a pundit that claimed indictments were imminent if not to say that it could be discounted and not really part of Fox News?

So, now we’re back to Sean isn’t credible. Got it.
I think there is a difference between Sean not being credible, and Sean’s information not being credible.

Sean does a lot of editorial work. And editorial work is opinion work; that does not invalidate what is said, but simply indicates that it emphasizes a point of view.

Sean would not last in his job if he did not have an actual individual making the statements which Sean reported. That does not mean that the individual was stating a fact; they may have been, or they may have been stating an opinion based on facts they knew. In either event, to continue on a national news program anyone using information from sources they cannot reveal will either continue to use those sources if the sources prove reliable, or drop them if the sources prove unreliable.

The reliability of the sources - used by both sides of the political spectrum - are generally people who are in a position to have access to information which has not been publicly announced. Many if not most sources have an agenda,which may color the information they give; but if they give false information, they won’t find many listeners further on.
 
Then why’d you bring up the point that it was a pundit that claimed indictments were imminent if not to say that it could be discounted and not really part of Fox News?

So, now we’re back to Sean isn’t credible. Got it.
I think Sean is credible but I also think you may be right in what you said below. The FBI has been at it for awhile and may be ready to issue their report (what Sean’s source indicated), but it’s the AG that decides if any charges will be filed, not the FBI. I don’t recall Sean referencing any sources in the AG.

If the FBI were on a path to clear Hillary, I think they would have wrapped it up faster so as not to interfere with the democratic process. I think the facts will leave them with no alternative but to request the AG convene a Grand Jury to proceed further. After that, it’s mostly Politics deciding the next step.
I believe that an FBI is investigating and I don’t believe charges are about to be filed.
 
I think just the opposite. I think more rumors will come out, and I mean things that can’t be verified, not necessarily things that aren’t true, but in the end, the FBI will recommend that no charges be filed and that Clinton did not break the law. 🤷

I don’t know, of course. I have sources in the religious world since I have seven uncles who are priests, but I sure don’t have any who work at the FBI. 😛

You might be right; I might be right. It will be interesting to see what does eventually happen, but right now, I wouldn’t put money on either one of our opinions, no offense meant.
 
Hillary is squarely responsible for the position she finds herself in. She’s not a victim, thats a fairy tale, its not a conspiracy thats a fairy tale. Its no one elses fault, thats a fairy tale. Hillary is responsible for the position she finds herself in and thats the bottom line. Most adults I know take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming their faults and error on others.

🤷
 
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