Ohio Priest Arrested on Sex Trafficking Charges

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Thank God he’s been arrested and is off the streets (and out of the confessional).

May any and every clergyperson and religious guilty of similar crimes be apprehended by law enforcement.

Such abusers make the whole world victims. The direct victims, and those inside the Church who suffer ripple effects, and those outside the Church who are scandalized away from her and miss out on the gifts God has for them in her.

I’m gonna go ahead and ignore the ignorant comment above me that celibacy causes pedophilia or crime.
 
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atjar1 said:
These people aren’t vetted thoroughly and of course, a life of celibacy, results in a recipe for church evil that never ends.
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Why are you on a Catholic forum, again? Must we flag you?
 
What systemic safeguards do you propose? And it sounds like your dissing Catholic teaching when you say a life of celibacy leads to child abuse. It’s not like 100% of priests are guilty.
 
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Systemic safeguards? Don’t leave clergy and others who work with children alone with them. We bring restrictions on our freedom because of our behavior. I reported on priest abuse of children in the fort wayne diocese 35 years ago. And here it is again.abuse against boys. And abuse and sexual advances at adult women. Prayer is nonsense in situations like these
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Hmm - you realize that other people abuse children as well right? Some people even seek out positions like teacher, youth minister, etc so they can have access to children.
So how do you explain the public school teachers, fathers, doctors and other non-celibate people who abuse?
Methinks there’s a flaw in your argument.
 
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You say celibacy is the problem. So how do you explain non-celibate people who abuse? You seem to be making a case against the celibacy of the Catholic clergy. I’m just asking if that will help, since there are other people who abuse, that is, non-celibate people.
Should all public school teachers have a camera on all the time? All parents? All doctors?
 
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Celibacy has nothing to do with this kind of evil. People don’t become pedophiles because celibacy ‘forces it’ on them.
 
27lw said:
And it sounds like your dissing Catholic teaching when you say a life of celibacy leads to child abuse.
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27lw said:
You say celibacy is the problem.
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I actually read the comment differently - I think atjar was saying “people with questionable characters” PLUS “a life of required celibacy” is a recipe for disaster, which of course is true. The combination is bad - he didn’t say celibacy alone was.
 
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Well actually not.
According to the DSM IV the vast majority of pedophiles are married men. Therefore, the recipe for real disaster is to have married men hanging around children unsupervised, not celibate men.
 
atjar1 said:
And like Billy Graham, to avoid scandal, any priest who is with children or others in one on one situations should have a witness present as well.
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They do, now. The protocols weren’t in place at the time this guy was allegedly grooming children.
These days at most parishes an adult (priest, staff, volunteer, teacher, etc) isn’t allowed to be around a minor without another adult present, including stuff like giving them a ride home or meeting with them etc.
There are a lot of other rules also and mandatory trainings that everybody who works or volunteers for the parish must take.

I take it you’re not Catholic or you’d likely be aware of these things.
 
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No. What is being said is that if you claim that celibacy plus lack of supervision is causing pedophilia, then married men plus lack of supervision should NOT cause pedophilia. Yet the vast majority of pedophiles worldwide are married men.

So it seems as if it is not ‘celibacy’ that is causing the evil. But marriage does not cause the evil either, does it?

So instead of getting all het up about this ‘problem’ and pretending it’s all due to ‘celibacy’, the intelligent thing to do would be to examine why it is that even men who would supposedly be happy and content with adult women as spouses would be prone to be pedophiles more than men who are ‘not married’.
 
Does ANY man or woman who preys on someone else do so because of their profession? Because of their ‘religion”? Or do they do so ‘in spite of’ the same?

If a Baptist minister preys on a man or woman, is it because he’s a Baptist minister?
 
So you really are claiming that celibate priests are more likely to molest than ‘married clergy’ even though the actual numbers don’t bear you out?

Bias is a very ugly thing.
 
stpurl said:
Celibacy has nothing to do with this kind of evil. People don’t become pedophiles because celibacy ‘forces it’ on them.
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Exactly. Child rape, like adult rape, is a crime of power. It’s not a crime of sexual desire.
Often, those who go around doing this to kids and teens had the same stuff done to them when they were kids and teens and they just repeat the pattern.
 
No, dear, the burden of proof is on YOU. You made the claim. You provide the ‘proof.’ If you are correct, the data is bound to be right there.
 
atjar1 said:
Yes. Please show me the disproportionate Baptist married clergy in the news for molestation as opposed to celibate roman Catholic priests?
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If it’s reported on to the same degree. Would you say that the Catholic Church gets special attention from the media, atjar1?
 
atjar1 said:
Please show me… in the news…
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Uh, no. “The news” is not where to go to get your sense of proportion or statistics on this topic. “The news” is where to go to get the most sensationalized, scandalizing, bias-conforming anecdotal smears. “If it bleeds it leads” and all that — and almost never equal opportunity, seemingly always organizationally biased. E.g. “show me in the news” where they follow up a report on abuse by religious figures with a report on abuse by public school teachers, and compare the stats side by side. (Hint: they don’t, because they don’t want to undermine confidence in the public school system. Whereas they’re typically happy to undermine confidence in religious institutions.)

If you want statistics and proportion, go to rigorous academic research.

Not “the news.”

I’m horrified this even has to be said.
 
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