Ohio Voters Reject Public-Union Curbs

[CMatt25]

I’m fairly certain that he will be a one-term governor. I don’t even think he’d last that long if he wasn’t immune from recall.

Sounds like Rick Scott. Wonder how this will play in the Presidential race in Ohio? I think Romney is on tape of eventally getting around to saying he supported Gov Kasich and the amendment. I imagine all the other GOP contenders did too.

 

[anp1215]

Its a perfect example of democracy in action.

Yes indeed. Happy to hear of this victory in Ohio tonight. Union yes!

-Proud daughter of a 40 year member of the IBEW, don’t know where my family would be today without them

 

[seekerz]

It’s got nothing to do with math. It has to do with union benefits are being paid by TAKING money from OTHER working people’s paychecks…do you see? It would be different if the government MADE money (profit) like a business, then the benefits could come from those profits. Then, it might be more equitable.

So…er…money is being taken from your paycheck to pay public workers sort of like businesses are ‘taking’ from your checking account or debit card? I mean, in both cases you are *paying for a product *are you not? Unless Ohio public servants get to just kick back at home 24/7 watching TV or something…?

 

[seekerz]

Ha.

Of course, I would rather pay 100% of my health care costs than be part of a union but since I am management, that isn’t even an option. No, the trade-offs are definately not worth it.

Then what’s the problem? You choose to pay whatever percentage is acceptable to you and so do they.

 

[Corki]

Then what’s the problem? You choose to pay whatever percentage is acceptable to you and so do they.

My point is that union leadership somehow thinks that 15% is horribly high when it would still be a pretty good deal relative to what the regular working man pays.

There is also the problem that occurs when cost sharing is too low. Usage rates soar. That leads to overload on the whole healthcare system which raises the overall rates. It is fiscally irresponsible to advocate extremely low cost sharing for health care.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

COLUMBUS, Ohio—Voters defeated by a wide margin a law that would have restricted the powers of unions representing teachers, police officers and other public-sector workers.

The law would have stripped the state’s 350,000 public employees of most of their collective bargaining rights and forced workers to pay at least 15% of their health care costs. With 35% of precincts reporting, about 62% of voters in a referendum voted against the Republican-backed law, known as Senate Bill 5, while 38% supported it.

The vote was closely watched beyond Ohio as other states also debate whether to rein in public unions to help state and local governments cut their spending on wages and benefits. Unions faced bruising battles with newly elected Republican majorities in various states this year. In Wisconsin, lawmakers passed a law restricting public-union rights, but they failed to do so in Indiana.

The Ohio law was passed by the legislature and signed by Gov. John Kasich, a Republican, earlier this year. But opponents secured enough voter signatures to force a public vote before it could take effect.

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Its amazing what the unions/Democrats can accomplish when they outspend their opponents 4-1.

 

[seekerz]

My point is that union leadership somehow thinks that 15% is horribly high when it would still be a pretty good deal relative to what the regular working man pays.

So your problem is not that you are paying too much but that union workers are not paying too much? We’re back to the lowest common denominator…

]There is also the problem that occurs when cost sharing is too low. Usage rates soar. That leads to overload on the whole healthcare system which raises the overall rates. It is fiscally irresponsible to advocate extremely low cost sharing for health care.

It’s an oversimplification to say that low cost sharing is what leads to high usage rates and raises health care costs. Health care is not like any other market where the laws of supply and demand decide prices. The real culprit is fee-for-service reimbursement; the more services that are provided, the higher the fee paid to providers.

This is not the same as high demand driving fees; demand would have to come from the consumer for this to be so. In this case, demand comes from the provider. It’s sort of like your local grocery store being paid by a company to stock up your kitchen every time you call to say the cupboard is bare - except that the grocery store, not you, decides what you need and how much of it.

The most expensive aspects of health care (surgical procedures, expensive tests and treatments) are not directly under the control of the consumer but of the health care provider. Yes - being insured makes providers more likely to order expensive treatments, no - the patient’s portion of the bill is not the important deciding factor in that equation.

In other words, it is being insured in and of itself, particularly with a company that reimburses providers at a high rate, which drives overuse in health care.

 

[seekerz]

Its amazing what the unions/Democrats can accomplish when they outspend their opponents 4-1.

What? You mean the billionaire corporate ‘persons’ met their match?! Who’d a thunk it?

 

[RACJ]

Well, with extremely weak Republican leadership in Washington demoralizing the base at every turn, and with our billions in taxpayer dollars given to government unions and then parlayed into millions in propaganda, the American people are not shrewd enough to realize that they are voting to leave their children and grandchildren destitute. America is dead. Rob

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well, with extremely weak Republican leadership in Washington demoralizing the base at every turn, and with our billions in taxpayer dollars given to government unions and then parlayed into millions in propaganda, the American people are not shrewd enough to realize that they are voting to leave their children and grandchildren destitute. America is dead. Rob

I am actually toying with the option of expatriating to Uruguay or Chile.

 

[He_Man]

Its a perfect example of democracy in action.

It is indeed, and this is certainly their right. But hopefully, we can stop hearing about the plight of Ohio and similar state’s budget problems. They should be able to run their own state as they see fit, but I don’t want to be asked to shed tears for another state either if they have financial problems. Forgive me if I am less apt to care about certain state’s “prboelms” and teary-eyed citizens who can’t find work.

My own state of MD is full of suck when it comes to responsible financial management, but that is our problem to deal with.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It is indeed, and this is certainly their right. But hopefully, we can stop hearing about the plight of Ohio and similar state’s budget problems. They should be able to run their own state as they see fit, but I don’t want to be asked to shed tears for another state either if they have financial problems. Forgive me if I am less apt to care about certain state’s “prboelms” and teary-eyed citizens who can’t find work.

My own state of MD is full of suck when it comes to responsible financial management, but that is our problem to deal with.

Actually, you could move south of the border here to VA. Governor McDonnell has seriously improve the fiscal condition of this state after that hack Tim Kaine left.

 

[He_Man]

Actually, you could move south of the border here to VA. Governor McDonnell has seriously improve the fiscal condition of this state after that hack Tim Kaine left.

Yeah, my wife is from Fairfax, and has echoed your sentiments. I am proud of our neighbors to the south (VA, not Mexico). Workwise, I am tied to Ft. Meade right now, but VA is definitely a “thinking man’s Maryland.”

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yeah, my wife is from Fairfax, and has echoed your sentiments. I am proud of our neighbors to the south (VA, not Mexico). Workwise, I am tied to Ft. Meade right now, but VA is definitely a “thinking man’s Maryland.”

I am sorry that you are tied to the People’s Republic of Maryland. I’ll pray for you spiritual well-being.

 

[estesbob]

What? You mean the billionaire corporate ‘persons’ met their match?! Who’d a thunk it?

The billionaire corporations had no dog in this fight. The unions did.

 

[RACJ]

I’m fairly certain that he will be a one-term governor. I don’t even think he’d last that long if he wasn’t immune from recall.

:thumbsup: Yeah, let's vote for the guy who offers to steal us more candy from the bankrupt store next time! I love it!!! :D Rob

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

The billionaire corporations had no dog in this fight. The unions did.

Well, you know that Governor Kasich wanted all union members to be stripped of all their rights, loose their jobs, get kicked out of their homes, and die cold, naked, and hungry in the gutter from preventable disease.

 

[seekerz]

The billionaire corporations had no dog in this fight. The unions did.

I was thinking of ‘persons’ who were indirectly involved. You know, like those who fund groups that call people to tell them the election is on a different day (possibly taking a cue from the ‘jokes’ of an ex-presidential candidate).

 

[RACJ]

Its a perfect example of democracy in action.

It's a perfect example of democracy (mob rule) in action indeed. Two men and one woman vote 2-1 to make the woman a sexual play toy! :eek: Rob

 

[RACJ]

Well, you know that Governor Kasich wanted all union members to be stripped of all their rights, loose their jobs, get kicked out of their homes, and die cold, naked, and hungry in the gutter from preventable disease.

Is Gov. Kasich not yet under arrest?? :mad: Rob