Ok, Catholics, your turn

[cyberjacques]

I’m neither but Protestants seem to be lukewarm Christians, they often condemn Catholics for their traditions and Mary worship, but don’t go as far as JWs to try to ditch it all since they still cling to Trinity and Santa and Christmas trees and other things rooted in paganism.

As previously stated, the Trinity and Santa Claus are hardly pagan. As far as things like Christmas trees, Halloween, and any of the other things people like to point out, none of them have any impact whatsoever on the beliefs and doctrines of the Church regarding faith and morals. I think adapting a pagan holiday or tradition in order to serve Christ and pull a culture out of social depravity is a beautiful thing. For example, the Chinese have a thing called a spirit tablet. It’s usually wood, beautifully carved, and it has the name of a departed ancestor on it. They can be found hanging in Buddhist temples. However, you will also find them in Chinese Catholic churches. Why? Because honoring the memory of your ancestors fits in perfectly with the communion of saints. At least some small fragment of truth can be found in every culture, and there is nothing wrong with letting a culture adapt the celebration of that truth when they convert to Christianity.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

As previously stated, the Trinity and Santa Claus are hardly pagan.

Santa is like a spirit that watches and judges you and rewards good and evil with toys, not everlasting life. Santa is the powerful Christmas God while Jesus is a helpless little baby who can’t do anything.

http://www.divinemercy333.net/Jesus143_with_santa.jpg

Matthew 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (INCLUDING LITTLE CHILDREN). Behold, I have told you before.

 

[thomasf]

This topic interests me very much. I did a lot of investigations into protestant religions, particularly the baptists and other evangelical types that believe in the ‘saved’ and ‘born again’ theology, while I was away from the church. I could never, ever understand what it was they believed. And honestly, I still don’t get it. Coming from the catholic faith since birth, I was used to the deep, complex, aspects of the catholic faith. The evangelicals seem to have a very simple, easy faith. I could never quite understand it and I eventually came back to the church. Thank God. But still to this day I don’t get what it is they think or believe.

The one thing I am always suprised by is the anti-catholic bias and prejudice. You wouldn’t be allowed to talk about people of other skin color, or ethnicity, etc in polite society. Why is it seen as okay to talk about catholics and spread lies? My sister in law, who is a baptist, tells my wife such horrible things even though she knows I’m catholic. And that’s okay? It saddens me more than upsets me, because it’s plain old not a christian thing to do. How can you be a christian and spread lies and hate like that? I don’t get it.

 

[Claudius]

From the time I was 9 I began studying religion. I studies Budhism, islam, hinduism, shinto and of course Christianity. I won’t say that I have been to every kind of Christian church that exist but I went to many. I would only stay just long enougn until I saw something in their teachings that I knew to be wrong. How could a 10 year old kid know that the middle aged preacher with the diamond rings was wrong? Grace of God is all I can think of. I heard lie after lie after lie about Catholics and I knew that they were lies the second I heard them and I had never even seen a Catholic in my life or knew anything about them. I know some of you are thinking, yah right, but I will tell you that this is true. I was the kid that looked different from everyone else. I spoke a different language and had a whole different vocabulary. I read books because I could understand them when I couldn’t understand the TV. I was the kid with the “non” hair cut and the thick glasses that was not accepted by anyone around me. My only recourse was to seek out “GOD”, whatever that was. One by one, every faith and religion, every path to enlightenment fell away from me. They were all dead ends. The finality of it all was always so present to me. I expected to die any day. I lived in a very violence environment.

When I was 13 I first entered a Catholic church and I witnessed my first Catholic Mass. There is a lot more to the story that I could write but to make it short, I have been Catholic by the Grace of God ever since. I consider it the most beautiful gift that God has ever bestowed upon me. Jesus is the Most important person in my life. The Catholic Church is the most important thing in my life. Indeed, the Catholic Church is the Body of Christ as the bride of Christ, for husband and wife become one flesh. The is made real and presant again every time the Eucharist enters me and I feel Jesus and his saving Grace.

So with that said, I could sit and list all of the different things that the protestants I interviewed believed but I will confine myself to the most important issues in stating what I generally apply to all of them.

 

[Claudius]

Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist. Because they can’t accept that, they really don’t have faith in Jesus because that is the number one thing that Jesus says is required to say that you have faith in him. The one apostles that did not have faith in the Eucharist is the one that betrayed him.

Protestants say that the Bible (66 books) is the word of God. I will say that the Bible (sacred scriptures 73 books) is the “inspired” word of God but “THE WORD” of GOD is JESUS. I tend to think that most protestants hold an unhealthy view of the bible. They have replaced the Eucharist with the Bible and in equating Jesus with the Bible, they begin to bow down and worship the paper. Of course not all protestants go this far but too many have. BTW 7 equals completeness. It has since olden times been considered the number of God. 3 represents the trinity. 73 is thus a very fitting number of books. Luther took out 7 books, almost to say that he was taking out the holy and completeness of the bible. He left 66 book. 6 represents incompleteness. 66 represents incompleteness in a comparative degree, thus “more incomplete” or “Very incomplete”. This also suggest “more or VERY unholy”. This is why we all really know who 666 really is. If 6 is unholy, and 66 is more unholy then 666 is the MOST unholy, which is satan.

Protestants do not have Jesus on the Cross. I find this very much in error. The cross is the work of evil men. Jesus is the work of God. If you take the Cross away and leave Jesus, it would be fine, HE is our goal and what we should all be looking at. The cross without Jesus represents evil. Jesus himself even said “When I am Lifted up”. He said this in comparing the Crucifix to the staff of Moses. I focus on Jesus, not the Cross which is what I must bear and can only bear with the help and grace given to me by Jesus.

Protestants reject mericles. They will say that they believe in the mericles of the Bible but will not believe in modern day mericles because it is usually a Catholic that the mericle is connected with. The age of Mericles is not over, and as long as we have a God that wants to reach out to us and show us so that we can believe, we will always have mericles.

Protestants reject Mary. They have totally looked past the fact that God replaced the old temple with the Temple of Jesus. God completed the old Law by giving us the new Law, which is Jesus. Jesus is THE word of God. It is fitting then that God should take away the ARCH of the covanant, that held the words of God written by God on mt, sioni and replace it with MARY, the new Arch that carried THE word of GOD, Jesus. The also represents the queen mother of Israel. It is fitting then that to have Jesus as our King and master in all things, we should at least accept Mary as our mother and queen. She is of course no where near the majesty or divinity of God the Son, as she is a created being, but the very fact that I have to point this out to protestants shows that the protestants have been telling too many lies. In a really serious argument, I should never have to qualify the exact limits of how Mary is the queen because everyone would respect that.

Protestants reject baptism. Now, I know you all are going to jump on me for saying this and tell me that not ‘all’ of them reject baptism but let me explain. Protestants reject the REAL sacremental nature of the Eucharist. Inside of that theological framework, they doubt or flat out reject the sacremental nature of anything. This is the reason why protestanst can’t seem to understand why certain people that drink animal blood during religious rituals in Africa seem to become possessed. To a Catholic, that makes perfect sense that they would become possessed. We are both body and soul. An affect to the body also affects the soul. An affect to the soul also affects the body. I used to have way too much fat going around me midsection. I would wake up in the morning and wonder how many sneakers bars I was going to eat and if I could find the strength to reject just ONE. I started to pray the liturgy of the hours, as Jesus himself did. I don’t mind a sneakers every now and then but I hardly eat one everyday. I actually can say that I have not had a sneakers this year, nor do I remember when I last had one last year. God works wonders for us. We reach out to him with our soul and the benefits reflect in our bodies. We are both body and soul. This is why we believe in the resurrection of the body. The current protestant belief that your soul will go to heaven while your body just rots and is gotten rid of is a pagan idea that is rejected by real Christians. Anyway, to get back to the idea of baptism, even some protestants that still practice baptism are not really doing it because they are not baptising in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Others will do that but their teaching about Baptism is so warped that you have to conclude that the real sacrement doesn’t exist anymore. If I were a preist, when accepting protestant converts, I would do a thourough investigation on the exact kind of “baptism” that some of these protestant converts recieved because some did not recieve a valid sacrement and thus need to be truely baptised. This is not to be hippocritical in the least. I showed up to a protestant church on just the wrong day before I was Catholic and got ushered in with all of the other children getting baptised at their church even though I didn’t belong there. I knew right a way that it wasn’t a valid baptism and was soooo happy to finally recieve my real Catholic bapitsm when I was 15.

 

[Claudius]

Protestants reject forgiveness. They reject forgiveness because they reject punishment. They believe that all they have to do is think about their sins in their head and do a mental “sorry” and all the guilt and punishement of the sin goes away. There is no conversion to “sin no more” or any mental “and I won’t do it again”. It is only “sorry”. Well, even Satan is sorry but he doesn’t want to amend his ways. Protestants who take this to the logical conclusion will start to say Once saved Always saved. This is their licence to sin. They then look at what Luther said “you have to sin” and then start sinning away. All the while guilt is building up but also punishment. Even is the random protestant has a conversion experiance outside of the Catholic church and turns away from sin, and they are truely sorry for all of their sins, they only have the means to be free of guilt, and that is only in very rare cases and by the Grace of God alone. The punishment due for those sins remains. Believe you me, God is going to shell out that punishment. All of our sins are making the world worse and worse by the second. We could all help to make the world better and better by the second by Not Sinning and making amends for our sins as best we can with the Help and Grace of God. We could. We could turn God’s hand from our punishment as he promised us he would if we would repent. However, with 50 million babies aborted every year in the world, I am thinking that the punishement due for all that sin is eventually going to break the bank and the stink of sin will get so high that God will no longer allow it. The retribution that the world will have to pay for this will be terrible. I don’t even want to imagine it. I breaks my heart that all of humanity will have to suffer, truely suffer for the selfishness of all this.

Protestants say once saved, always saved. They usually use this as an attack against Catholics. This is very odd, because according to this only Catholics are saved. Protestants want to attack the Catholic path to holiness by telling people that they don’t have to do all of that stuff. You just have to get saved one time and then you are done. However, since only Catholics are doing all that is required in order to get saved, like eating the Flesh of our Lord and drinking his Blood, then it means that ONLY Catholics are saved. Thus, any attack on Catholics because “once saved, always saved” ends in me laughing my head off. Not that I agree with once saved always saved but to any protestant that believes that, my response is, “Ok, so then why aren’t you doing what is required for you to get saved at least once?”

Protestants reject the Pope. To me this is so silly I am not sure I really want to write more. I can read Aramaic and I have read Matthew in Aramaic according to the copy that the Church says is the closest thing to the original language of the conversation that Jesus actually had with his apostles. Not only the Catholic church holds this to be true, but also the Coptic Church, the Assyrian church, the Syrian church, Armenean Church, and the Maronite Catholic Church with Melhite Catholic Church. Only the Byzantine church does not go along but I will get to that in a minuete. All of these ancient, and I mean REALLY ANCIENT churches hold that Matthew was originally written in Aramaic and that the copy that has been retained to this day for reading in their churches is that copy. There are minor textural differenced that do not affect meaning such as exact word order but in all of them Matthew 16:18 reads exaclty the same. Matching word for word with the Aramaic it reads “and I say, I to you, you are Rock on which Rock I will build my Church gates of hell shall not surround.” The word for Rock in this instance is Kapa. The You is singular. I am especially impressed with the part in it where it seems as if Jesus is making a point to single out Peter. He says “I say, I to YOU…” The fact of this has lead to the Assyrian church being so always in diologue with Rome to eventually come back into communion as they have been at different times in the past. More then once mind you. They Syrian church claims Peters primacy for themselves since their see is Antioch but even they are beginning to come around as the recent talks show. The Maronites have never questioned this AT ALL. They have always looked to Rome even when everyone else around then went into schism. These are the modern day NATIVE SPEAKERS of Aramaic. Some of them, many of them actually make a point in theirs lives to not speak Arabic and only Aramaic or Coptic or Armenean as they see these are Christian Languages that build up Christ and not the Islamic language that lies about Christ.

 

[Claudius]

The Byzantines maintain that the Greek version of Matthew is the original or at the least the very oldest with the current Aramaic being at least in some way a translation of the Greek. However, the real issue is not changed because when a Byzantine reads these passages they will also tell you that Peter had Primacy among the Holy Apostles. What they don’t agree on is that fact that this primacy was carried over into the Office of Pope or they will reject that Peter went to Rome. Church history on this of course tells us that this is not in line with the beliefs of the ecumenical councils or the early church fathers. The reason I bring it up though, is that even the Greeks, who can see clear as day the different genders in the words used, will readilly admit that the meaning as said by the Catholic church is indeed the exact truth. They are the NATIVE SPEAKERS of Greek. Jesus said the Satan was a Lier from the beginning. All this protestant stuff about the Pope being the anti Christ it at the very least extremely judgemental (judge not least ye be judged) and is in reality an out right lie (he was a murderer and lier from the beginning).

Protestants reject apostalic succession. This is again, because they reject the physicallity of sacrements but also out of selfishness. They can’t stand to have anyone in authority over them. They repeat the words that damned satan, “I will not serve.”. This also makes them reject Saints because in their pride they can’t possibly think that anyone made it to heaven before they do.

They reject relics. Again, empirical nature of sacrements.

Protestants believe in a trancendent God. This is not really the same God of the Catholic faith taught to us by Jesus. Jesus taught us to believe in an Eminent God. A God that is right here, right now. Emanuelle means GOD is WITH US. It does not mean that God is way a long time ago in a Galexy far far away. Protestant stuff like the planet kolob and the scientology stuff is so not Christian that I doubt I need say more.

Protestants reject History. They do not actually look at the progression of history in salvation. This is partly because they have a “very” incomplete bible. It is also because they are afraid of history since looking at it too much will usually cause a person to convert.

This hatred of real History has caused them hate old languages such as Aramaic, Greek and (hated most by protestants) Latin. I personally Love Latin. Latin got me into Greek and eventually Coptic and Aramaic. I would be unendingly thankful just for that blessing but I could not stay away from the Latin. It called me back and has shown me History that you just can’t read about in any work of the English or French languages. By becoming fluent in Latin I was finally able to determine that Cicero was nuts and that Caesar was the last man on the planet that ever should have become a dictator. Rome could only have been saved by Jesus and let us all pray thanksgivings to the Lord that he has. That example of the Christian faith overcoming the worst and most evil empire the ancient world had ever known is what gives me courage that Christaintiy will eventually overcome this new Evil Empire of abortion in the United States just as it overcame the Evil Empire of Communism in Russia. I can only pray that the recent scandals with the Church of England will see Christianity overcome that Evil Empire as well. Anything that seeks to seperate man from God is Evil, and any government that does it is an Evil Empire.

Protestants hate holiness, or even just seeking out holiness. I set myself to prayer and fasting and random protestant number 7843 will tell me that prayer and fasting is sinful because all I have to do is believe.

Protestants reject the teachings of Jesus because they refuse to commit themselves to the coporeal acts of mercy that Jesus tells us we must do in order to get into heaven.

 

[Claudius]

Protestants don’t read the bible, not even the “very” incomplete one that they have. They have their list of personal favorite quotes and base their lifes and faith entirely on that alone without looking at the rest of scripture or how Christians of the first and second century beleived.

Protestants believe that anyone who believes in dinosuars go to hell. I can not count the number of protestanst that anctually believe that unless you fool yourself into thinking that the dinosuar bones are all fake, or made of foam then you will go to hell. That is not to mention that very sick little man in California of all places who thinks that dinosuars were really dragons and that the reason they are extinct is because humans ate them all.

Protestants don’t believe in children. This is why the contracept and abort to their hearts content. They also don’t believe in Marriage, so we see gay marriage and divorce run rampant. This again goes to the very heart of their understanding of sacrements.

Protestants are racist and misuse the bible and theology to discriminate against non whites. I have been on the recieving end of this one. Don’t say it doesn’t happen because the scars on my body prove you wrong. I have also been told that I was too stupid to understand the bible due to my race and that was the only reason the Catholic church was able to trick me. Incidentally, the protestant that told me this was a high school drop out and I had already become the first person in my entire bloodline to go to and finish college.

Protestants don’t appreciate anything. They are so willing to severe ties and relationships based on such small and petty things that I am usually shocked. Land deals get in the way, family fueds get in the way. “We can’t go to that church because the Willsons go there.” They do not appreciate all the Jesus did for us. They are not willing to be the ONE body or to go out and show appreciation for it by performing acts of mercy. Whenever they do do an act of mercy, they complain about it the whole time and it becomes this crowning story for the rest of their life of how they tried to help some poor “n” word but the stupid colored man really lied to them and stole their money. Then the tell you how there were resolved to “never do it again.” Notice, that it is with an act of mercy that they say they will “never do it again” instead of with sin.

The last thing that I will mention is not so much a belief that protestants hold but just a story that I remember that really points ot all of this. I could stay here and write all night, thousands of pages highlighting every little thing about this kind of protestant or that kind but what I have put up so far is fair and represents the vast majority of protestants that I have ever had contact with. This last story involves Katirna. You all know her, the big giant hurracane that turned New Orleans into part of Lake Panchatrain. Before the hurricane made ground a protestant said within my hearing that this was “awesome.” I would admit that it was awesome in that I was in awe in a bad way. I was heartbroken that this kind of disaster was about to happen and we all feared the worste. This protestant was running around trying to make a wind sail out of a stolen shopping cart and a trash bag. He was having a blast and reveling in the destruction and death of others. After the hurricane was over, this protestant, who was a member of the swaggerite church in Baton Rouge, actually started telling people that it was God’s judgement and punishment come down on New Orleans for the city being Catholic. He expressed disbelief and shock that St. Lious Cathedral should survive. He expressed a hope that only protestants would move back to New Orleans and that they would eventually tear down all the Catholic Churches. He expressed joy when St. Joseph’s Cathedral in Baton Rouge was vandalized. I have known a lot of protestants. Most Christians that I have ever meet in my life were protestants. However, this one personifies to me the final end result of all protestant theology. Whenever I think about what protestants believe I always see this young racist who never saw an abortion of a black child he didn’t like or a Catholic that he didn’t want to murder. He actually told me point blank in my face that he understood the Godpel message of Jesus better then St. Peter and the other apostles because the apostles were Jews. He often spoke as if he had the lambs book of life right there in his cell phone to look up who was going to heaven and who wasn’t. That is the face of protestantism to me.

 

[Claudius]

The message I kept hearing in all my years of studying protestants, which has never really ended, is this. DON’T BE CATHOLIC. Protestants continue to tell me that I can be anything, ANYTHING under God’s bright sun, just don’t be Catholic. Protestant women would tell me that they would date me and didn’t care that I was not white, but they just couldn’t because I as Catholic. Just don’t be Catholic. ANYTHING but Catholic. If I was a hindu, then I would be accepted. If I were a mormon, it would be ok. If I were even on of the Byzantines or Coptics, that would be interesting. Oh, but because I am a Catholic, all the protestants are aginst me. That one fact of my life is singled out more then anything else by protestants to be the target of their hate. I have the right according to them to be whatever I want to be and believe whatever I want to believe, as long as it isn’t the truth. If I would just believe in a lie, preferably the lie of protestantism, then I would be able to fit into White Englishspeaking American society. I choose the truth. I will die of the truth.

What have I concluded for myself in all of this? Protestant theology is morally bankrupt. I can not say it plainer. Each and every one of them have taken at least one essential belief of the truth of Jesus and lied about it, falsified it or perverted it to selfish aims. I will not be party to that. They have even gone so far now that they want the U.S. constitution as part of the Bible. The hold American citizenship higher then Christian faith. They hold the U.S. flag as more holy then the Cross that Jesus carried and died on. They are quick to recite the pledge of allegence to the United States but can’t remember how a Christian Creed goes. Most don’t even know how to recite the Lord’s prayer. They do all of this and then tell me that I have to choose, America or the Catholic church. I choose the Catholic church and will surrender my U.S. citizenship in a heartbeat. Less actually. For me it is a non issue. The Catholic church has the fullness of the truth of Jesus and I will not sacrifice that bond to Jesus. I am Catholic even unto God calling me home in martydom. Jesus is my King and I shall not hold any government higher then him. I am loyal to my King forever. Washington can never compare. Declariation of independence, hah, constitution, scarf. Jesus is my King. I need not pay attention to these other traps and distractions layed by Satan.

 

[water]

I have read post after post about Catholics wanting Protestants to defend their beliefs, and I think that is fair. WhoI want to hear from is Catholics who have never been Protestant tell us what you think we believe? I am a Protestant, taking RCIA classes, and I am very interested in what you think we believe. Please keep it cordial!

Faith alone and Bible only. To be honest, I am not even sure if those are the two things all protestants believe. Other issues, I can’t generalize it since different denomination/groups believe differently.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Some Protestants feel a great freedom to believe things that are opposite to what their denomination officially teaches. I base this on what the Protestants I know have told me. One friend who was raised Nazarene told me that when she was a child her grandmother told her, don’t listen to the pastor when he tells you that communion is just a symbol, it is really the body and blood of Jesus. Other Protestant friends told me they believe that too but that isn’t what their denominations teach and there are others in the same local church who believe differently. This is only an example. Views on other doctrines such as what predestination means and even (in my own experience) whether Jesus actually bodily rose from the dead can be different among members within the same local congregation and that is considered acceptable.

I guess that is an example of believing one’s personal interpretation of the bible above everything else. So within some denominations a wide divergence of belief is accepted. As a Catholic, I believe in the Bible, but if there is a difference of opinion about something written there I accept church teaching about it because I believe the Holy Spirit guides the church to truth but I as an individual might be mistaken.

 

[kalt]

It’s nice to see an adult who still truly believes that Santa Claus is a real person who brings him toys.

St Nicholas was a real person, though. A bishop, not pagan.

Santa is like a spirit that watches and judges you and rewards good and evil with toys, not everlasting life. Santa is the powerful Christmas God while Jesus is a helpless little baby who can’t do anything.

http://www.divinemercy333.net/Jesus143_with_santa.jpg

Matthew 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (INCLUDING LITTLE CHILDREN). Behold, I have told you before.

 

[leonie]

The Protestants I associate need to be or believe:

1. The Bible is supreme–what I mean is that they often seem to “worship” the Bible, putting it in the place of Jesus.
2. A shallow spirituality. They seem to stop with faith and never reach deeper levels.
3. They discount Catholic works of evangelization and charity. They don’t acknowledge Catholic missionaries or Catholic organizations that work for the poor. They feel that traditionally Catholic countries are a mission field like a pagan country.
4. Creationist in their science.
5. They are rather prudish–for example, scandalized by nudes in art.

6). They are very loving and kind. They have a strong sense of community within their churches–much stronger than in the parishes I’ve joined.

1. prejudiced against Catholics.
2. They think that children should be disciplined and put into routines very strictly. I think this is because of the “human nature is debased” theology. Their kids are very well behaved.

The Protestants I associate with are devout evangelicals and fundamentalists that homeschool.

For a few others I know, I’d add:

1. divorce is an unfortunate thing. After a divorce, you should probably have some counselling with your pastor before you date again.
2. sterilization is the responsible thing to do after two or at the most three children.

Anyway, I’m generalizing on my experience. Plus, I’m married to a Protestant. Of course, I tell him he should self identify as a nonpracticing Methodist, practicing nonCatholic.

 

[t68ware]

The message I kept hearing in all my years of studying protestants, which has never really ended, is this. DON’T BE CATHOLIC. Protestants continue to tell me that I can be anything, ANYTHING under God’s bright sun, just don’t be Catholic. Protestant women would tell me that they would date me and didn’t care that I was not white, but they just couldn’t because I as Catholic. Just don’t be Catholic. ANYTHING but Catholic. If I was a hindu, then I would be accepted. If I were a mormon, it would be ok. If I were even on of the Byzantines or Coptics, that would be interesting. Oh, but because I am a Catholic, all the protestants are aginst me. That one fact of my life is singled out more then anything else by protestants to be the target of their hate. I have the right according to them to be whatever I want to be and believe whatever I want to believe, as long as it isn’t the truth. If I would just believe in a lie, preferably the lie of protestantism, then I would be able to fit into White Englishspeaking American society. I choose the truth. I will die of the truth.

What have I concluded for myself in all of this? Protestant theology is morally bankrupt. I can not say it plainer. Each and every one of them have taken at least one essential belief of the truth of Jesus and lied about it, falsified it or perverted it to selfish aims. I will not be party to that. They have even gone so far now that they want the U.S. constitution as part of the Bible. The hold American citizenship higher then Christian faith. They hold the U.S. flag as more holy then the Cross that Jesus carried and died on. They are quick to recite the pledge of allegence to the United States but can’t remember how a Christian Creed goes. Most don’t even know how to recite the Lord’s prayer. They do all of this and then tell me that I have to choose, America or the Catholic church. I choose the Catholic church and will surrender my U.S. citizenship in a heartbeat. Less actually. For me it is a non issue. The Catholic church has the fullness of the truth of Jesus and I will not sacrifice that bond to Jesus. I am Catholic even unto God calling me home in martydom. Jesus is my King and I shall not hold any government higher then him. I am loyal to my King forever. Washington can never compare. Declariation of independence, hah, constitution, scarf. Jesus is my King. I need not pay attention to these other traps and distractions layed by Satan.

WOW!! With all due respect, you are wrong on many, many aspects of what Protestants believe!! I do not know where you got some of your ideas of what we believe, but you have a lot to learn. I do not have the time to counter-point you on this forum, but if you will PM me, I would be more than happy to fill in the blanks for you. I am not sure where you got your information from, but I think you and I need to have a heartfelt, cordial discussion.

 

[fbl9]

hi t68ware…i haven’t read all the posts some of the things i was taught were predestination to hell.it is the Father’s will to send some one to hell???some loving God eh.infant baptism is wrong as is non imersion baptism,in order to teach this there are some strange intereptations to get at this conclusion.it doesn’t matter which church you go to,as long as you hear the word of God there,the members of this same group also claimed the pope was the anti-christ?that Jesus turned water into grape juice not wine.because God wouldn’t want drunk people. that Jesus can be really present in bread brought about by the person’s own faith.i wasn’t really protestant but definatly not a true catholic when i learned these things.that Jesus is really the Father and the Holy Spirit. ie there is no trinity of persons the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are the one and same person.

 

[Namesake]

Unlike the Catholic Church, the term “protestant” used in a general sense has no limits on beliefs, or contradictions to their beliefs.
The Catholic Church has defined beliefs that are unopposable and unchangeable, they are infallible on matters of faith and morals.

The majority of Catholics that I know do not believe in all of the teachings of the Catholic Church. So much for unity within the Church. It’s an illusion.

 

[t68ware]

hi t68ware…i haven’t read all the posts some of the things i was taught were predestination to hell.it is the Father’s will to send some one to hell???some loving God eh.infant baptism is wrong as is non imersion baptism,in order to teach this there are some strange intereptations to get at this conclusion.it doesn’t matter which church you go to,as long as you hear the word of God there,the members of this same group also claimed the pope was the anti-christ?that Jesus turned water into grape juice not wine.because God wouldn’t want drunk people. that Jesus can be really present in bread brought about by the person’s own faith.i wasn’t really protestant but definatly not a true catholic when i learned these things.that Jesus is really the Father and the Holy Spirit. ie there is no trinity of persons the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are the one and same person.

Most of what you have heard is wrong in one way or another. We do believe in the Trinity, Jesus did turn water into wine and He drank wine at the Last Supper, and most do not think the Pope is the anti-christ. In baptism, there are some major differences. I believe in infant baptism for the remission of original sin. Most Protestants do not believe in the Real Presence, but I do. If you want to know more, please PM me. God Bless!

 

[Claudius]

WOW!! With all due respect, you are wrong on many, many aspects of what Protestants believe!! I do not know where you got some of your ideas of what we believe, but you have a lot to learn. I do not have the time to counter-point you on this forum, but if you will PM me, I would be more than happy to fill in the blanks for you. I am not sure where you got your information from, but I think you and I need to have a heartfelt, cordial discussion.

Where did I get my ideas from? From protestants and no where else. Now that I have exposed some of them and shown how silly and down right hateful some of the protestant beliefs are you want to backtrack and say that protestants don’t believe that, or that at least most don’t, or that at least you personally don’t but the truth is the truth. Protestants do believe exactly as I have written. They do ask me all the time to deny the truth of Jesus and I will not. Put me in chains and lead me to the lion’s den, I will not turn.

 

[Claudius]

hi t68ware…i haven’t read all the posts some of the things i was taught were predestination to hell.it is the Father’s will to send some one to hell???some loving God eh.infant baptism is wrong as is non imersion baptism,in order to teach this there are some strange intereptations to get at this conclusion.it doesn’t matter which church you go to,as long as you hear the word of God there,the members of this same group also claimed the pope was the anti-christ?that Jesus turned water into grape juice not wine.because God wouldn’t want drunk people. that Jesus can be really present in bread brought about by the person’s own faith.i wasn’t really protestant but definatly not a true catholic when i learned these things.that Jesus is really the Father and the Holy Spirit. ie there is no trinity of persons the Father,Son and Holy Spirit are the one and same person.

Then you don’t belong in the Church. The central belief of the Catholic Church is the Real Presence in the Eucharist. If you can not accept that then you need to be excommunicated. Too bad though, you are not invicibly ignorant so you just might have some explaining to do.

 

[Claudius]

The majority of Catholics that I know do not believe in all of the teachings of the Catholic Church. So much for unity within the Church. It’s an illusion.

If any Catholic does not believe all that the Church teaches then the Church needs to discipline them or kick them out. There is not room for wishy washy in the Church established by Jesus. None whatsoever. There is docrinal unity. There is no illusion and it is only a lie to say otherwise.