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Bhagavada Gita is a major scripture of Hindus. It is part of the epic Mahabharata, but is really a stand alone document.

Gita is a very short text, only 700 verses, and can be set to music. Its essence is known to every lay Hindu, and essence, not verbatim text is all that matters for the Hindus. The oldest available commentary is by Shankar C. 1300 years ago. The commentary is quite a large volume, and runs into about 700 A4 size papers.

Lots of contradictions have been pointed out in bible, and xians can only produce apologetics about them.

Now I stick my neck out.

Are there any contradictions in Bhagavada Gita, popularly called Gita.

PS: Gita is quite a popular name for females. Gita translations in every language. There are at least 10,000 of them, and counting. They are NOT versions, as Gita has ONE AND ONLY version, in original Sanskrit…

Caution: If you C & P, it maybe used only if you understand it.

Caution: Please Do not use your (non) scriptures, whether theist or atheist. I might be tempted to slash your neck.
 
OK, I stick my neck out. Please slash it
I would but the carpet may get messy.
Bhagavada Gita is a major scripture of Hindus. It is part of the epic Mahabharata, but is really a stand alone document.

Gita is a very short text, only 700 verses, and can be set to music. Its essence is known to every lay Hindu, and essence, not verbatim text is all that matters for the Hindus. The oldest available commentary is by Shankar C. 1300 years ago. The commentary is quite a large volume, and runs into about 700 A4 size papers.
I’m reading a copy at the moment, got it out of my library. In English.
Lots of contradictions have been pointed out in bible, and xians can only produce apologetics about them.
Whats an Xian? Apologectics: from the Greek απολογία (speaking in defence) i.e a rebuttal. Sounds fair enough to me. These Xians whoever they are seem to have the right idea.
Now I stick my neck out.

Are there any contradictions in Bhagavada Gita, popularly called Gita.
Give me a little while to read it, I’ll be back shortly 🙂
PS: Gita is quite a popular name for females. Gita translations in every language. There are at least 10,000 of them, and counting. They are NOT versions, as Gita has ONE AND ONLY version, in original Sanskrit…
Is it OK to use the English translation? My Sanskrit is limited to about 6 words.
Caution: Please Do not use your (non) scriptures, whether theist or atheist. I might be tempted to slash your neck.
Whats a non scripture?

Won’t be long, God bless.
 
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I’m reading a copy at the moment, got it out of my library. In English.
Carefully. Please bring out all the contradictions.

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Give me a little while to read it, I’ll be back shortly :).
Take your time. You may read in one hour, but understanding may take a long, long time.
Is it OK to use the English translation? My Sanskrit is limited to about 6 words.
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It is OK. But remember, none of these translatiions can be called “versions”, because Gita exists in only ONE version.

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Whats a non scripture?.
Something that some tries to pass off as a scripture.

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Won’t be long, God bless.
Waiting. Pls take your time.
I’m not well-schooled in the deep things of Satan.
But I do. I read very carefully how a satan inspired “prophet” killed off all non virgins, including THE LITTLE ONES, and abducted 32,000 virgin women as sex slaves.
 
A “scripture” full of internal contradictions cannot be word of god. Period. Now the OP.
I see. I take it you are talking about the Bible, nice and respectful.

As you advised I am taking my time reading the story.
 
OK, I stick my neck out. Please slash it

Bhagavada Gita is a major scripture of Hindus. It is part of the epic Mahabharata, but is really a stand alone document.

Gita is a very short text, only 700 verses, and can be set to music. Its essence is known to every lay Hindu, and essence, not verbatim text is all that matters for the Hindus. The oldest available commentary is by Shankar C. 1300 years ago. The commentary is quite a large volume, and runs into about 700 A4 size papers.

Lots of contradictions have been pointed out in bible, and xians can only produce apologetics about them.

Now I stick my neck out.

Are there any contradictions in Bhagavada Gita, popularly called Gita.

PS: Gita is quite a popular name for females. Gita translations in every language. There are at least 10,000 of them, and counting. They are NOT versions, as Gita has ONE AND ONLY version, in original Sanskrit…

Caution: If you C & P, it maybe used only if you understand it.

Caution: Please Do not use your (non) scriptures, whether theist or atheist. I might be tempted to slash your neck.
just wanted to know why you would use such violent language for your title?“OK,I stick my neck out.Please slash it”
 
OK, I stick my neck out. Please slash it

Lots of contradictions have been pointed out in bible, and xians can only produce apologetics about them.

Now I stick my neck out.

Are there any contradictions in Bhagavada Gita, popularly called Gita.
I lifted this from someone’s blog, as I have no intention of reading the Bhagvad Gita. As far as I’m concerned the main face-off for the foreseeable future is going to be between Christianity and Islam, not Hinduism. The main thing I’ll say for Hinduism is that its a fairly peaceful religion, but that doesn’t make it necessarily true.

Anyway the bloggist indicated there were numerous contradiction. The extract is below.

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Truth is contradictory; if it is not contradictory then it is not truth! Bhagvad Gita is full of contradictions. You can understand it only if you see it in totality.

At one point, Krishna tells Arjuna that action is the most important thing and without action one will be nowhere. But after that He tells him that action is all right but knowledge is better! Then Krishna says, ‘‘You must become a yogi and drop everything around you.’’ Then Krishna tells him: ‘‘He is intelligent who sees ‘action’ in ‘inaction’ and ‘inaction’ in ‘action’.’’ What does this mean? It means even if you don’t do something you have acted — simply by ‘not doing’.

If you do something then too you have not acted, for in your not acting here, something else could have happened — you could have done something else. Even though you have acted, there is ‘inaction’; because you did this, you couldn’t do something else. So every ‘action’ has ‘inaction’ and every ‘inaction’ has got an ‘action’ connected to it.

And then Krishna takes Arjuna towards Dhyana Yoga — meditation. In the sixth chapter of the Bhagvad Gita, he tells Arjuna that since he is confused, there is no use talking. He asks him to meditate. Finally, Krishna says, ‘‘Arjuna, he is the greatest amongst the yogis who keeps Me in his heart whether he meditates or not. He is the real yogi, because I am with him in whatever he is doing.’’

The contradictions don’t end there. At one juncture, Krishna says, ‘‘Arjuna, there is nobody dear to me, nobody whom I love.’’ And then gives a whole list of qualifications for those He really loves!

In another instance, Krishna tells Arjuna to act without looking for the fruit of action. Later He asks Arjuna to act properly, according to natural law. Then He tells him the way he ought to fight if he wants to win the war. So, at this point He is bringing Arjuna’s attention to the fruit of action, but then He also tells him not to worry about the fruit of action.

Krishna was like a dear friend to Arjuna. In Bhagavat, you will see that except for Vidura and Udhava, nobody even thought he was enlightened; they all thought that he was just very smart. Of course, there were the Pandavas and the gopis who knew who Krishna was and how total He was from all angles. But many of them, including Arjuna, did not see him that way.

But then Krishna shows him, in one minute, that He is infinite. He tells Arjuna, ‘‘You can’t see without the eye of knowledge; so now I will give you a special eye of knowledge, which I have haven’t given anybody in ages. I am giving it to you now because it is time.’’ With that, He gives him a vision, a flash. For that one moment the universe appears as a manifestation of Krishna to Arjuna. Arjuna’s mind is shattered that moment. He sees all of creation, everything — the mountains and the rivers, the past, the present and the future — dissolving in Krishna. He sees that Krishna is that space, that infinity, into which everything is coming in and dissolving. For an instant, the whole life, the whole universe, all the memory and all that was associated with it just plays out like a movie and it frightens Arjuna.

Then Arjuna pleads, ‘‘Oh! Please show me your simple, natural and friendly face. I like your simple smile and I want to see my friend. I don’t want to see anything beyond. It is too much for me.’’ This is called Vishva Roopa Darshana — the vision of the universal.

Thereafter, Krishna tells Arjuna about the yagyas and all the principles and the laws under which the society and universe works. Then He talks about sanyasa and how to be really centered.

For instance, an event or an instance should be seen as just that — an event, an instance or a happening. But it sticks to the mind and you try to get rid of it. The event assumes importance and the mind is caught up in it — ‘‘Oh! He said that, they said this, they didn’t say this, etc.’’

Once the event goes away, then you feel a sense of great relief. You suddenly discover peace inside you.

Your very nature is peace. In the centre of you, you are peace. The moment this disturbance gets thrown out, you can actually feel it — all the brain cells, and the entire brain becomes so calm and settled the moment this garbage goes out.

And deep inside you can really smile as a flame of peace. Arjuna asks Krishna, ‘‘What you say is very magical and joyful. But it’s not easy. This mind is difficult to control. It’s like controlling air — can anybody control air?’’

Then Krishna says, ‘‘I agree with you. It is difficult but not impossible. Abhyasena tu Kaunteya — with practice, dispassion and by getting to the centre again, you will succeed.’’ You will see that Krishna tried everything.

Finally it was the display of the universal vision that worked on Arjuna. People cannot change just by visions also. Krishna does not really bring about the realization totally from outside — it needs something more.

That is why after Krishna led Arjuna to the infinite vision, he speaks on what is dear to him, on devotion, and then he comes on all the other things you know —about creation and even about food.

But when Arjuna says, ‘‘I give up,’’ Krishna says, ‘‘I can’t do anything; you think and do whatever is best for you. First ponder on whatever I have said and then act.’’ Arjuna says, ‘‘No, now I am clear in my mind. I’ll do whatever you will say.’’ So, Krishna had to speak through 18 chapters to get him to that point and interestingly gave all these knowledge in the middle of battle field. Krishna could have done it at the very first chapter. But it is beautiful the way this knowledge has flown.

Everything may appear to be all contradictory, if seen from all angles. But that is in fact reality.
 
Since you have no intention of reading Gita, you cannot assess it yourself. Parroting others is never commendable.

Show me the contradictions. There is none, even that blogger has not brought them out.

Make a cogent post with quotes from Gita.
 
Since you have no intention of reading Gita, you cannot assess it yourself. Parroting others is never commendable.

Show me the contradictions. There is none, even that blogger has not brought them out.

Make a cogent post with quotes from Gita.
To be honest with you, I’m really not interested. I’ll let someone else do the hard yards of actually reading it.

The only quote that comes to mind, and of which I have prior knowledge, and that is relevant to our modern world, was echoed by physicist Robert Oppenheimer when he witnessed the first nuclear explosion -

(From Wikipedia) " …while witnessing the explosion, he thought of a verse from the Hindu holy book, the Bhagavad Gita:

“ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one… ”

Years later he would explain that another verse had also entered his head at that time: namely, the famous verse; “Kalo Asmi Loka-ksaya-krit Pravardho, Lokan Samartum iha Pravattah” and was quoted by Oppenheimer after the successful detonation of the first nuclear weapon. He translated it as “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

Oppenheimer later would be persuaded to quote again in 1965 for a television broadcast:

“ We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, ‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.’ I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.’"
 
OK, I stick my neck out. Please slash it

Bhagavada Gita is a major scripture of Hindus. It is part of the epic Mahabharata, but is really a stand alone document.

Gita is a very short text, only 700 verses, and can be set to music. Its essence is known to every lay Hindu, and essence, not verbatim text is all that matters for the Hindus. The oldest available commentary is by Shankar C. 1300 years ago. The commentary is quite a large volume, and runs into about 700 A4 size papers.

Lots of contradictions have been pointed out in bible, and xians can only produce apologetics about them.

Now I stick my neck out.

Are there any contradictions in Bhagavada Gita, popularly called Gita.

PS: Gita is quite a popular name for females. Gita translations in every language. There are at least 10,000 of them, and counting. They are NOT versions, as Gita has ONE AND ONLY version, in original Sanskrit…

Caution: If you C & P, it maybe used only if you understand it.

Caution: Please Do not use your (non) scriptures, whether theist or atheist. I might be tempted to slash your neck.
The Gita is a small part of the Mahabharata. A fairer question would be: what do secular scholars think is the historical basis of the Mahabharata? And the answer would be; very slim. There are far fewer reasons to trust the Mahabharata (or the Gita as part of it) as a historical source than to trust the Bible.

Of course, the Gita’s value does not lie in any historical claims that might be made for it.

If you are claiming that the Gita is a literal record of something that Krishna said to Arjuna thousands and thousands of years B.C.E., then an obvious contrradiction is that the Gita frequently refers to ideas developed in the Upanishads and to the ideas of various Indian schools of thought of the late centuries B.C.E. It was clearly written at some point fairly close to the time of Christ and not thousands of years earlier.

If, however, you take it simply as a theological treatise with a mythical setting, then obviously there’s not much room to point out “contradictions,” is there?

Edwin
 
Since you have no intention of reading Gita, you cannot assess it yourself. Parroting others is never commendable.

Show me the contradictions. There is none, even that blogger has not brought them out.

Make a cogent post with quotes from Gita.
Anyone can write a book without supposed contradictions, but that doesn’t make it scripture. It has been done thousands of times in the past. You tell us not to use ‘xian non scriptures’. Why would we want to read a Hindu ‘non scripture’?
 
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