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I’m used to my protestant relatives disliking my Catholicism, but I wasn’t prepared for Catholics to dislike it too. The story: a woman from my parish who is in charge of the Christian Mothers group recently asked me to speak at their meeting. They were interested in hearing my conversion story and in my reasons for becoming Catholic. I agreed to this, but a few days later she called me and asked for a “thumbnail sketch” of what I planned to say. The reason she wanted to know, she said, was because she wanted to make sure that I wasn’t going to “dwell on” the “authority of the higher-ups” as one of my motivations to convert. I was mystified by this and asked who she meant by “higher-ups.” After a lot of hemming and hawing, she told me that most of the women in this group feel that “Rome is the biggest problem the American Church has.” Being a little slow on the uptake, I asked her why they felt that way. This unleashed a rant about contraception (no surprise there) but also the odd (to me, anyway) idea that Rome is preventing Catholic parishes from “fulfilling their potential.” Apparently she feels that the Catholic church should be more entertaining, like the Evangelical mega-church I came from. It seems they were hoping that I would give them ideas about how to “reach out” to Evangelicals by imitating what they are used to at church.

I have never been good at the quick comeback, so I simply said that I felt we should be making Evangelicals aware that we are different, not trying to hide this fact behind a Protestant veneer. Then I made the mistake of telling her that I had become convinced that the Church (yes, Rome) did indeed have authority and that was a major reason I converted. Well, she rescinded her invitation in the nicest possible way, adding that “you and Father will probably get along well.” (The implication was that this was an unfortunate development.)

Naturally, I haven’t been attending Christian Mothers meetings, but apparently I have become a “topic” among some of the women. Now I have total strangers coming up to me either expressing their support of my views or trying to persuade me of theirs. I just want to go to Mass, and this ugliness really appalls me. I spoke to Father about the incident, and he laughed and said, “It’s about time someone stirred the old girls up. I’m just glad it was you and not me.”

My husband and son love this parish, and I’m not willing to split up the family by going somewhere else. I like the priest. I suppose this will all die down in time – right? Thanks for letting me rant!
 
I say stir them up big time!!! Get them to realize that what they are leading each other to is NOT a deeper Faith, but pulling them further from the Truth. You are there for a reason - there are no mistakes. No one likes to be the butt of remarks from others, but you are hitting a nerve that very clearly needs to be hit hard at this parish.

This is not a fun little social group at this parish - it is a weeping wound on the Bride of Christ that needs to be healed. They should not be allowed to continue to huddle together and feed on their own illness of hatred for what they decide is dysfunctional in the Church.

I say - start your own group!! Discuss topics such as the history of the Church, the importance of authority, why contraception is wrong…cover everything a good Catholic needs to understand to live a holy life. You can do this!!! 👍

Be brave - LIVE your Faith by being an example to others. Christ never said it would be easy to follow Him.

~Liza
 
… Apparently she feels that the Catholic church should be more entertaining, like the Evangelical mega-church I came from. It seems they were hoping that I would give them ideas about how to “reach out” to Evangelicals by imitating what they are used to at church.

I have never been good at the quick comeback, so I simply said that I felt we should be making Evangelicals aware that we are different, not trying to hide this fact behind a Protestant veneer. … Well, she rescinded her invitation in the nicest possible way, adding that “you and Father will probably get along well.” (The implication was that this was an unfortunate development.)

… I spoke to Father about the incident, and he laughed and said, “It’s about time someone stirred the old girls up. I’m just glad it was you and not me.”

My husband and son love this parish, and I’m not willing to split up the family by going somewhere else. I like the priest. I suppose this will all die down in time – right? Thanks for letting me rant!
Thanks for telling that story. Sounds like the priest has a good sense of humor, along with good sense: they may be mothers but they sound anything but Christian, and I can see why the priest said what he did.

Anyway, if you are otherwise comfortable with the parish, stay where you are and just steer clear of the coven. If there are other like-minded ladies, perhaps you might want to discuss with the pastor the possibility of forming an alternate group.
 
I’m used to my protestant relatives disliking my Catholicism, but I wasn’t prepared for Catholics to dislike it too. . . . .
My husband and son love this parish, and I’m not willing to split up the family by going somewhere else. I like the priest. I suppose this will all die down in time – right? Thanks for letting me rant!
Don’t waste your time with that group. Be HOT!

Suggestion - Start a Family Apostolate group at your parish.
How? = ( familyland.org/content/Content.aspx?CategoryID=595 )

‘I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth… . .’

-YBIC,
-G
 
Our priest leads a very orthodox Bible study – a lot of the more traditional women go there. My husband would never sanction my leading any kind of group in the Church if it had anything to do with Church teaching. (He believes women should only lead service-related groups.) I have met some great women who go to adoration at a nearby parish, so I have started to go with them.

Both my husband and our priest gave me essentially the same advice, which was that a “quiet, gentle spirit” is the best witness to people like these women. Father says that since I have only been a Catholic for six months or so, I should concentrate on becoming completely acclimated and let him deal with the “troublesome” people. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
Thanks for telling that story. Sounds like the priest has a good sense of humor, along with good sense: they may be mothers but they sound anything but Christian, and I can see why the priest said what he did.

Anyway, if you are otherwise comfortable with the parish, stay where you are and just steer clear of the coven. If there are other like-minded ladies, perhaps you might want to discuss with the pastor the possibility of forming an alternate group.
Convert, Malphono:

Convert, Thank you for sharing your story. Disobedience, once it becomes a habit, needs justification, and that may involve attacking those whose lives are lived according to Obedience. I’m sorry you ran into that your parish’s “women’s group”. I’m glad to hear that your pastor has formed a women’s group where the Teachings of the Church aren’t questioned.

Malphono, I think your idea will turn out to have some wisdom in 6 months or so. At that time, It might be a good idea for Convert see if her Paster would steer her (& her husband) to couples who are obeying the Church’s teaching and then help them start a “Couples’ Group”. EWTN has a series called “Crossing the Goal”, which comes with a Workbook. The series is primarily designed to help men deepen their faith, but it can be adapted to women and couples…

That might be something Convert and her husband can do together once Convert has had some time to grow in the Lord. Both EWTN & CAF have loads of material (not to mention Ignatius Press), and should provide a group with plenty of edification and instruction.

I hope this helps. May God Strengthen you and give you peace.

Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
 
Church is NOT supposed to be entertaining. It’s not about us.
 
I’m used to my protestant relatives disliking my Catholicism, but I wasn’t prepared for Catholics to dislike it too. The story: a woman from my parish who is in charge of the Christian Mothers group recently asked me to speak at their meeting. They were interested in hearing my conversion story and in my reasons for becoming Catholic. I agreed to this, but a few days later she called me and asked for a “thumbnail sketch” of what I planned to say. The reason she wanted to know, she said, was because she wanted to make sure that I wasn’t going to “dwell on” the “authority of the higher-ups” as one of my motivations to convert. I was mystified by this and asked who she meant by “higher-ups.” After a lot of hemming and hawing, she told me that most of the women in this group feel that “Rome is the biggest problem the American Church has.” Being a little slow on the uptake, I asked her why they felt that way. This unleashed a rant about contraception (no surprise there) but also the odd (to me, anyway) idea that Rome is preventing Catholic parishes from “fulfilling their potential.” Apparently she feels that the Catholic church should be more entertaining, like the Evangelical mega-church I came from. It seems they were hoping that I would give them ideas about how to “reach out” to Evangelicals by imitating what they are used to at church.

I have never been good at the quick comeback, so I simply said that I felt we should be making Evangelicals aware that we are different, not trying to hide this fact behind a Protestant veneer. Then I made the mistake of telling her that I had become convinced that the Church (yes, Rome) did indeed have authority and that was a major reason I converted. Well, she rescinded her invitation in the nicest possible way, adding that “you and Father will probably get along well.” (The implication was that this was an unfortunate development.)

Naturally, I haven’t been attending Christian Mothers meetings, but apparently I have become a “topic” among some of the women. Now I have total strangers coming up to me either expressing their support of my views or trying to persuade me of theirs. I just want to go to Mass, and this ugliness really appalls me. I spoke to Father about the incident, and he laughed and said, “It’s about time someone stirred the old girls up. I’m just glad it was you and not me.”

My husband and son love this parish, and I’m not willing to split up the family by going somewhere else. I like the priest. I suppose this will all die down in time – right? Thanks for letting me rant!
To tell you the truth i am afraid of these women’s group. i went to one and was just like being in a protestant meeting. no more of this nonsense. i know one lady who agreed with me but the rest seemed to have lost their Catholicism Faith.
 
So basically, you’ve had multiple opportunities to give gentle and loving witness to the faith to multiple individuals who have approached you…

Yes, it’s hard, but it’s also our MISSION here on earth. God is almost literally dropping them on your doorstep. Keep up the good work! Make gentle mention of how fed up you got with “do it yourself” morality and doctrine and the chaos the inevitably results from that approach. Above all, keep praying and receiving Grace at every opportunity. You are a witness whether you like it or not. do it well! 👍
 
Those ladies are misrepresenting the Church. Shame on them!

If these ladies can’t deal with the Liturgy and Hierarchy, then they need to find themselves an evangelical church. No sense in them trying to shake up the Catholic church by arguing for contraception, among other things.
 
Our priest leads a very orthodox Bible study – a lot of the more traditional women go there. My husband would never sanction my leading any kind of group in the Church if it had anything to do with Church teaching. (He believes women should only lead service-related groups.) I have met some great women who go to adoration at a nearby parish, so I have started to go with them.

Both my husband and our priest gave me essentially the same advice, which was that a “quiet, gentle spirit” is the best witness to people like these women. Father says that since I have only been a Catholic for six months or so, I should concentrate on becoming completely acclimated and let him deal with the “troublesome” people. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
Good idea.

Your husband and your Priest are both wise men.

I am sorry you had to deal with this kind of thing but, the Catholic Church is made up of all kinds of men and women and we are all sinners so, just pray for them and do your best to let it go.

Brenda V.
 
My opinions echo Brenda’s so I won’t repeat, but know you are in my prayers! I’ve run into some people with similar opinions. When they hear I am a convert I often get a little ‘look’ that says ‘Oh, that is why you are so zealous’. Like someone said above, God wants you HOT or COLD. I prefer to be HOT!
 
Our priest leads a very orthodox Bible study – a lot of the more traditional women go there. My husband would never sanction my leading any kind of group in the Church if it had anything to do with Church teaching. (He believes women should only lead service-related groups.) I have met some great women who go to adoration at a nearby parish, so I have started to go with them.

Both my husband and our priest gave me essentially the same advice, which was that a “quiet, gentle spirit” is the best witness to people like these women. Father says that since I have only been a Catholic for six months or so, I should concentrate on becoming completely acclimated and let him deal with the “troublesome” people. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
Sorry, my suggestion was not so clear - the idea was that BOTH you AND your husband lead a Family Apostolate group, which of course, is a family oriented apostolate so that nobody, not your husband OR your kiddos get left behind in the faith development and family-strengthing AND fellowship (inter-family AND intra-family) efforts! Christ calls us to consecrate our whole families in the truth; it’s amazing how many married catholic families miss this simple concept, and then wonder why so many catholic marriages end in divorce!
 
I’m used to my protestant relatives disliking my Catholicism, but I wasn’t prepared for Catholics to dislike it too. The story: a woman from my parish who is in charge of the Christian Mothers group recently asked me to speak at their meeting. They were interested in hearing my conversion story and in my reasons for becoming Catholic. I agreed to this, but a few days later she called me and asked for a “thumbnail sketch” of what I planned to say. The reason she wanted to know, she said, was because she wanted to make sure that I wasn’t going to “dwell on” the “authority of the higher-ups” as one of my motivations to convert. I was mystified by this and asked who she meant by “higher-ups.” After a lot of hemming and hawing, she told me that most of the women in this group feel that “Rome is the biggest problem the American Church has.” Being a little slow on the uptake, I asked her why they felt that way. This unleashed a rant about contraception (no surprise there) but also the odd (to me, anyway) idea that Rome is preventing Catholic parishes from “fulfilling their potential.” Apparently she feels that the Catholic church should be more entertaining, like the Evangelical mega-church I came from. It seems they were hoping that I would give them ideas about how to “reach out” to Evangelicals by imitating what they are used to at church.

I have never been good at the quick comeback, so I simply said that I felt we should be making Evangelicals aware that we are different, not trying to hide this fact behind a Protestant veneer. Then I made the mistake of telling her that I had become convinced that the Church (yes, Rome) did indeed have authority and that was a major reason I converted. Well, she rescinded her invitation in the nicest possible way, adding that “you and Father will probably get along well.” (The implication was that this was an unfortunate development.)

Naturally, I haven’t been attending Christian Mothers meetings, but apparently I have become a “topic” among some of the women. Now I have total strangers coming up to me either expressing their support of my views or trying to persuade me of theirs. I just want to go to Mass, and this ugliness really appalls me. I spoke to Father about the incident, and he laughed and said, “It’s about time someone stirred the old girls up. I’m just glad it was you and not me.”

My husband and son love this parish, and I’m not willing to split up the family by going somewhere else. I like the priest. I suppose this will all die down in time – right? Thanks for letting me rant!
One of the main reasons I converted to the faith was the unbroken lineage of Papal authority that could be traced to Peter, and then back to Jesus. I never really gave the authority thing a second thought, it just made perfect sense.

I think you are better off without this group of ladies. The Church is not a social center, as much as people want to turn it into one. Better that I stop there before I become uncharitable.

When will people figure out that it is about the Sacraments, and not tea clubs?
 
One of the main reasons I converted to the faith was the unbroken lineage of Papal authority that could be traced to Peter, and then back to Jesus. I never really gave the authority thing a second thought, it just made perfect sense.

I think you are better off without this group of ladies. The Church is not a social center, as much as people want to turn it into one. Better that I stop there before I become uncharitable.

When will people figure out that it is about the Sacraments, and not tea clubs?
Amen.
unfortunately in some parts of the world the CC fell in the hands of a people who does not give a care for the Church. they want to turn the Church their own property. we need leadership and fast. i think most of all the priests lost leadership and begin allow all kinds of opinions in their Parishes without realizing the harms that this has caused to the people of God. the mentality of today is this: God doesnt care about this or that.

my priest defends these modern buildings as covenient for our times, God doesnt care about the building. he also defends the priest facing the people because we today realize that God is everwhere. i say: and before God wasnt everwhere?

these things that a priest says specially at RCIA, i consider damaging and harmfull to the new people who has no clue about the Faith and go on believing in something that is not completely true.

they have been misinformed and there is no one to correct them, no one.
 
This usually does boil down to the Priest in some cases as well. He is supposed to be the final say so on what goes on under the Parish roof.

There was one Parish where there was a woman with singing talent who had obviously dug her talons into the priest and an inordinate amount of the Mass was being sung by, guess who?

At one point I was expecting the announcements to be sung instead of Read…

"There will be— a bake sale — In the Vestibule — After Mass at 9:30"
 
Our priest leads a very orthodox Bible study – a lot of the more traditional women go there. My husband would never sanction my leading any kind of group in the Church if it had anything to do with Church teaching. (He believes women should only lead service-related groups.) I have met some great women who go to adoration at a nearby parish, so I have started to go with them.

Both my husband and our priest gave me essentially the same advice, which was that a “quiet, gentle spirit” is the best witness to people like these women. Father says that since I have only been a Catholic for six months or so, I should concentrate on becoming completely acclimated and let him deal with the “troublesome” people. Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
Cheers to you for not letting bad personalities steer you wrong. From what I can tell from your priests responses to you, he must have tried to deal with this before and realized that these ladies are a little stubborn. That it is best now to keep them from making too much trouble and being a good witness to allow the Holy Spirit to work. Sometimes it takes years and years when people are stubborn, but a loving witness always wins hearts willing to accept the truth.

I think you can form your own group without ignoring your husbands concerns. You can extend the orthodox bible study with your priest by having a friendly “impromtu” social gathering of the more traditional women. You may or may not lead, but you won’t really be starting your own group, just adding a second phrase to the group that is already going strong.
 
Greetings! I see that you have been chosen to be persecuted for the sake of righteousness. Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for so persecuted they the prophets before you. As to what will die down, or not, or when, who knows, but you have made a stand for our beloved Church. I am converting to Catholicism after 27 years as a Protestant. I would never have taken this step if I’d found a Protestantized Catholic Church! Things may be awkward or worse, but there is no doubt that you have made an impact for truth with these women. Do not leave your church! If your family is happy there and you like the priest, and it’s Catholic, that is all that matters.
 
Greetings! I see that you have been chosen to be persecuted for the sake of righteousness. Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for so persecuted they the prophets before you. As to what will die down, or not, or when, who knows, but you have made a stand for our beloved Church. I am converting to Catholicism after 27 years as a Protestant. I would never have taken this step if I’d found a Protestantized Catholic Church! Things may be awkward or worse, but there is no doubt that you have made an impact for truth with these women. Do not leave your church! If your family is happy there and you like the priest, and it’s Catholic, that is all that matters.
Well said.
 
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