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No, it does not follow in a strict logical manner. You assume that the emergence of intelligence, free will, etc… cannot happen “by itself”, that it would lead to a logical contradiction, like a “married bachelor”. Can you prove it?You are correct, but only if we were some sort of robots. But, we are not. We are human beings. It is, therefore, completely logical that, after going through an appropriate dialectic, a logical human being could fairly conclude that a creator, with such immense power, would seem to be similar, in many respects, to its foremost creature.
Greater in what respect? No, it does not follow that the creator must be infinite. How does one even define an “infinite being”?Inductive logic can also take us to the conclusion that only something greater than the universe could have created it. For that which is greater is not created by that which is lesser. If this immense universe was created by that which is greater, that creator could not be finite.
Show me a logical contradiction which proves that a non-sentient being, or power cannot “create” something that exhibits order. Examples to the contrary are abound. Termites are not sentient, and yet they create structures of high complexity. They create precise air-conditioning in their mounds, where the humidity stays between precise limits for the queen.“Sentience” must follow from this creation. The universe cannot be the creature of blind power. The creator cannot be apathetic to what it is creating. The logical premise for this is grounded in the continual order that we see. Not to mention that an infinite creator is still creating, as far as we’re concerned.
Since the “infinite” nature of the creator has not been established, none of this follows. The continued existence of a builder is not necessary to the continued existence of the house.But it precisely follows that the creator is still around. An infinite, non-physical creator would not scurry off to some corner of the universe, or multi-verse. It is infinite; it’s everywhere: there’s no secluded place to hide. Besides, it is still creating.
We are not talking about which one do you find more probable. We are talking about what is a logical necessity.But, Spock, that would be impossible. As I said earlier, the creator could not be indifferent to the creature. If it were, there would not be any necessity of order, nor any fine-tuning for the precarious existence of life, unless one postulates a negligibly chance event. Which one is more preposterous?
Seems like? It does not seem like that at all. What is the purpose of a volcano eruption, or a tsunami? But even if it were “purposefully” arranged, it would not logically follow that the creator is interested in humans. And if it would be interested in humans, its interest could be based on entertainment, or having a gruesome interest in our squirming during natural disasters.Furthermore, we are immediately struck by the fact that everything seems to have a purpose, some things even multiple purposes. Since all of the things we see have purposes, it would be completely illogical that an infinite creator, that would create this universe out of complete deference, would do so for no reason. Would it not?
But my point was: “assuming a deistic creator”, who merely sets the universe in motion, where does the logical path lead? It does not lead anywhere. I purposefully did not mention the “deistic creator”, so not to make it too obvious. The idea of a deistic creator is not logically contradictory. And there is no logical path from deism to theism.