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i think it may have already been answered, and if so, can you please point out the link to me? i’d appreciate your help!

how is it that some sacraments can be done by the SSPX, like confirmation, and be valid, but others can’t? if they cannot do one, shouldn’t they not be able to do any of them? :confused:

if one is valid, shouldn’t they all be valid?:confused: please point out to me why one is valid and others aren’t. this is really confusing.
 
TraditionalCath said:
i think it may have already been answered, and if so, can you please point out the link to me? i’d appreciate your help!

how is it that some sacraments can be done by the SSPX, like confirmation, and be valid, but others can’t? if they cannot do one, shouldn’t they not be able to do any of them? :confused:

if one is valid, shouldn’t they all be valid?:confused: please point out to me why one is valid and others aren’t. this is really confusing.
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A good example is baptism. Anyone can baptise as long as they intend to be baptizing and as long as they use the trinitarian formula…even a Muslim ( or any other fill in the blank non-christian).
 
Put it this way. Catholic priests need two things to be able to administer certain sacraments - for example to marry people. They need the sacrament of Holy Orders, but ALSO need ‘faculty’ (permission or authority) to administer these sacraments to be given by the local bishop of whatever diocese they operate in.

If the local bishop refuses this permission, the priest can’t validly perform these sacraments in his diocese.
 
LilyM said:
Put it this way. Catholic priests need two things to be able to administer certain sacraments - for example to marry people. They need the sacrament of Holy Orders, but ALSO need ‘faculty’ (permission or authority) to administer these sacraments to be given by the local bishop of whatever diocese they operate in.

If the local bishop refuses this permission, the priest can’t validly perform these sacraments in his diocese.
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I believe he has to be authorized by the state to marry as well. Or is it automatic when you become a minister of divinity?
 
TraditionalCath said:
i think it may have already been answered, and if so, can you please point out the link to me? i’d appreciate your help!

how is it that some sacraments can be done by the SSPX, like confirmation, and be valid, but others can’t? if they cannot do one, shouldn’t they not be able to do any of them? :confused:

if one is valid, shouldn’t they all be valid?:confused: please point out to me why one is valid and others aren’t. this is really confusing.
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Yes, faculties are the issue. You don’t need them for some Sacraments and you need them for others.
 
can anyone tell me with absolute certainty if SSPX priests can perform extreme unction? i know they cannot hear confessions or the sacrament of marriage, but what about extreme unction?
 
TraditionalCath said:
can anyone tell me with absolute certainty if SSPX priests can perform extreme unction? i know they cannot hear confessions or the sacrament of marriage, but what about extreme unction?
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What do you mean they “cannot hear confessions”. Of course they can and they do most diligently.
 
As long as the priest is validly ordained, he has the power to administer all of the sacraments, ex Holy Orders.

As I recall my catechism, Catechism of the Council of Trent, the celebrants of Holy Matrimony are the bride and the groom. The priest is a witness.
 
the priests in the SSPX cannot give absolution. nor can they carry out the sacrament of marriage. ask people here they know more than i do. remember, they are not in communion with rome.
 
tradconvert said:
What do you mean they “cannot hear confessions”. Of course they can and they do most diligently.
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They can certainly hear them, but they don’t have faculties from the local Bishop to give the Absolution.
 
skifast said:
As long as the priest is validly ordained, he has the power to administer all of the sacraments, ex Holy Orders.
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If he is not authorized by the local Bishop, then he cannot operate in that Diocese as a Catholic priest.
 
skifast said:
As long as the priest is validly ordained, he has the power to administer all of the sacraments, ex Holy Orders.

As I recall my catechism, Catechism of the Council of Trent, the celebrants of Holy Matrimony are the bride and the groom. The priest is a witness.
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Uh, you might want to read canon law. No, they can’t officiate at a wedding without jurisdiction and they can’t hear confession without jurisdiction. The Magisterium has said the same. If you want to have a debate, take it up with them.
 
ahh!! wow! didn’t know that!!! jm, can i ask you this??? does that mean that this is implying the SSPX priests?
 
bear06 said:
Uh, you might want to read canon law. No, they can’t officiate at a wedding without jurisdiction and they can’t hear confession without jurisdiction. The Magisterium has said the same. If you want to have a debate, take it up with them.
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more info please bear! 👍 i tried to pm you bear, but it says your inbox is full:p
 
TraditionalCath said:
ahh!! wow! didn’t know that!!! jm, can i ask you this??? does that mean that this is implying the SSPX priests?
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This is any priest. For example, the priest of our parish comes from the Philippines. He is not SSPX, or anything else - he is just an ordinary priest in full communion with Rome. He had to apply to the Bishop of Calgary to get permission to say Mass and perform the Sacraments in Calgary.

The same thing happened with our associate pastor, who comes from India. He arrived last summer, and before he was even allowed to move in to the Rectory at our church, he had to get permission from the Bishop to work as a priest in Calgary.

Whenever I travel with Father M., he always has to carry a paper that says he is a priest in the Diocese of Calgary, and that it is okay with the Bishop of Calgary if he performs the Sacraments in other cities. Before he can do that, though, he has to show the paper to the local Bishop there, and get permission from that Bishop, as well.

That’s why our first stop whenever we take him anywhere is the Cathedral Church of the place where we are spending the night - so that he can say Mass for us, and hear our Confessions.
 
skifast said:
As long as the priest is validly ordained, he has the power to administer all of the sacraments, ex Holy Orders.
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Confession actually also requires proper jurisdiction given by a bishop with valid jurisdiction. There is debate whether or not the SSPX bishops and priests have this valid jurisdiction.
 
Genesis315 said:
Confession actually also requires proper jurisdiction given by a bishop with valid jurisdiction. There is debate whether or not the SSPX bishops and priests have this valid jurisdiction.
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I think Ecclesia Dei clears up the debate quite nicely - they do not have jurisdiction. Unless you know of something more recent?
 
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