Ok, need an answer to this question

[BobP123]

I think God pretty much told us which was most pleasing to Him

Yes, the Old Testament is filled with such references.

 

[laudamus_te]

No one is interfering. No one is bashing. People are simply responding to other people who come to these threads and make erroneous statements. Answering an erroneous statement with fact is NOT interfering nor is it bashing. Answering error with the truth of the Church is actually an act of love.

Sorry, but the contempt comes through loud and clear. Answering what you consider erroneous statements with this:

This is a helpful site that refutes the spurious claim of the SSPX to supplied jurisdicition:
sspx-schism.com/JurisdictionAndSchism.htm

is far from “answering error with the truth.” I’ve seen this site linked before, it’s obviously a favorite around here. Posting links to anti-sspx websites is hardly a friendly response.

And we NEVER have to run the risk of being a schismatic, ever. To say that “we” have to find “that worship that is most pleasing to God” is an exercise in subjectivity and it potentially sets our judgement against the judgement of the Church. I’m not saying you or anyone else here is a Protestant, but how is that different from what Protestants have done?

Well, there’s the little thing about considering oneself subject to the Pope and eternal Rome.To attend SSPX Masses does not make one “schismatic.” This has been pointed out I don’t know how many times. But you still stubbornly adhere to this falsehood.

The only objective worship that we can feel safe in knowing is pleasing to God is the sanctioned Mass of the Church, which includes the indult Tridentine.

So, you are saying that the Tridentine Mass is ONLY pleasing if it is an “indult.” The many thousands of Masses which are said every day in SSPX chapels around the world, and which have produced good fruits as evidenced by the vocations, are not pleasing to God? Are you so sure about that?

Can that Mass (in whatever rite it is celebrated) be abused and thus displeasing to God? Certainly. But the Pauline Mass (for example) cannot be objectively said to be displeasing to God. In order to say that, there would have to be a new revelation. That is not possible (according to the Church). Objectively, we have to assume that it IS pleasing to God, because the Church to whom Christ gave authority to bind and to loose (the disciplines of the Church enjoy at least a negative infallibilty in that they cannot lead the faithful into impiety) says that that Mass confects the Holy Sacrifice, which is what God intended the Mass to do.

And the TLM at SSPX chapels confects the Holy Sacrifice, which is what God intended the Mass to do. So, by your own admission, it must be pleasing to God.

 

[bear06]

And the TLM at SSPX chapels confects the Holy Sacrifice, which is what God intended the Mass to do. So, by your own admission, it must be pleasing to God.

Again, this argument goes both ways. You could come up with many suspended and even not suspended priest who intend on confecting the Holy Sacrifice who are being disobedient are you saying that this act is always pleasing to God? This can happen from the sedevacanist who is validly ordained all the way to the most liberal.

I think that you miss the word “objective”. I also think that you missed the fact that disciplines have a negative infallibility.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Sorry, but the contempt comes through loud and clear. Answering what you consider erroneous statements with this:

is far from “answering error with the truth.” I’ve seen this site linked before, it’s obviously a favorite around here. Posting links to anti-sspx websites is hardly a friendly response.

LOL!!! Using this logic, I could assert the same regarding links TO SSPX sites. If you provide a link to a source that is contrary to the truth, I’m not being contemptuous or hateful when I post the OBJECTIVE TRUTH (which Catholics are taught to believe is proclaimed by the Church’s authority).

Well, there’s the little thing about considering oneself subject to the Pope and eternal Rome.To attend SSPX Masses does not make one “schismatic.” This has been pointed out I don’t know how many times. But you still stubbornly adhere to this falsehood. **On the contrary, I clearly and repeatedly state only the facts: the bishops are excommunicate, the priests are suspended ad divinis and have no faculties, and the laity are warned (by the Supreme Pontiff himself) against the danger of schism. Those are facts. I’ve never once stated that to attend an SSPX Mass makes one schismatic. **

So, you are saying that the Tridentine Mass is ONLY pleasing if it is an “indult.” The many thousands of Masses which are said every day in SSPX chapels around the world, and which have produced good fruits as evidenced by the vocations, are not pleasing to God? Are you so sure about that? **In the end, only God’s judgement on the “fruits” can be adjudged as completely reliable, but if the “fruit” results in an automatic suspension ad divinis, if the “fruit” results in a priest offering sacraments without faculties or illicitly, as is clearly stated by the Church, well, as a Catholic looking for a firm place to stand, I reserve the right to be a little suspicious of the “fruit.” **

And the TLM at SSPX chapels confects the Holy Sacrifice, which is what God intended the Mass to do. So, by your own admission, it must be pleasing to God.

Not if it is offered in disobedience to the legitimate authority established by the same God.

 

[Jean_Anthony]

This thread is closed. Thank you all.