Okay Catholics, time to play “Hard Ball!”

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Guys, it is easier than what all of you are professing.

Read Post #134, but then also consider;

Jesus established his church to allow you to not have to use hatred in order to escape capture by your enemy.

When he said that THOSE particular people had to feel hatred for their families and even themselves, he was addressing them at a time when there was not yet his church. Those who were to establish that church had to go to otherwise unacceptable extreme so as to initially seed the church, after which, no one need hate again.

His church isn’t merely a following. It has function and purpose other than merely advertising.
 
James_S_Saint said:
Guys, it is easier than what all of you are professing.

Read Post #134, but then also consider;

Jesus established his church to allow you to not have to use hatred in order to escape capture by your enemy.

When he said that THOSE particular people had to feel hatred for their families and even themselves, he was addressing them at a time when there was not yet his church. Those who were to establish that church had to go to otherwise unacceptable extreme so as to initially seed the church, after which, no one need hate again.

His church isn’t merely a following. It has function and purpose other than merely advertising.
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huh what?
 
James_S_Saint said:
Guys, it is easier than what all of you are professing.

Read Post #134, but then also consider;

Jesus established his church to allow you to not have to use hatred in order to escape capture by your enemy.

When he said that THOSE particular people had to feel hatred for their families and even themselves, he was addressing them at a time when there was not yet his church. Those who were to establish that church had to go to otherwise unacceptable extreme so as to initially seed the church, after which, no one need hate again.

His church isn’t merely a following. It has function and purpose other than merely advertising.
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You said you wanted “a catholic answer”. You’ve gotten several that pretty much all add up to God doesn’t equal hate and when “hate” is spoken of in Scripture it doesn’t have the same meaning it does today.

So what are you really looking for because obviously it wasn’t an answer but an argument. But for the life of me, from your last post, I can’t figure out what it is you wish to debate.

:confused:

Oh, by the way, don’t forget the claim you made that you were looking for this “catholic answer” because you are discerning catholicism.

Care to expound on that one?
 
happilycatholic said:
Oh, by the way, don’t forget the claim you made that you were looking for this “catholic answer” because you are discerning catholicism.

Care to expound on that one?
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Did you read post #134 and its links?

As I just posted, it is my belief that Jesus’ church had a purpose other than merely being an advertising agency. This question reveals what that purpose actually was.

As I said, I have no questions concerning the divine, but rather inquiry as to the CC. Does it teach its faithful the actual purpose of Jesus’ church (for example)? It appears not.

Without the Church, you must indeed hate (be hostile and destructive toward) your enemies. Without his Church, you must be merely another sect of Judaism or perish.

But I did not come here to preach. I came seeking the truth of the CC. I did not come here to “debate”, but to gain a clear sight of the CC (whether I agree or not). I am not judging. I am trying to assess the real situation.
 
James_S_Saint said:
Did you read post #134 and its links?
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Yes I read #134 and a lot of what I saw was argumentation and preaching on your part, in contrast to your claim below.
As I just posted, it is my belief that Jesus’ church had a purpose other than merely being an advertising agency. This question reveals what that purpose actually was.
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And where in any Church teaching do you conclude that is an “advertising agecy”. To conclude so is to misunderstand and misrepresent the Catholic answer you were presented.
As I said, I have no questions concerning the divine, but rather inquiry as to the CC. Does it teach its faithful the actual purpose of Jesus’ church (for example)? It appears not.
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I don’t think you understood the responses if this is your conclusion. Please read the first three article of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
1 God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.
2 So that this call should resound throughout the world, Christ sent forth the apostles he had chosen, commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."4 Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it."53 Those who with God’s help have welcomed Christ’s call and freely responded to it are urged on by love of Christ to proclaim the Good News everywhere in the world. This treasure, received from the apostles, has been faithfully guarded by their successors. All Christ’s faithful are called to hand it on from generation to generation, by professing the faith, by living it in fraternal sharing, and by celebrating it in liturgy and prayer.6
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Without the Church, you must indeed hate (be hostile and destructive toward) your enemies. Without his Church, you must be merely another sect of Judaism or perish.

But I did not come here to preach. I came seeking the truth of the CC. I did not come here to “debate”, but to gain a clear sight of the CC (whether I agree or not). I am not judging. I am trying to assess the real situation.
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Your writing has not led me to agree with your self-assessment.
 
davidv said:
Yes I read #134 and a lot of what I saw was argumentation and preaching on your part, in contrast to your claim below.
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It was not I that first answered the question directly and correctly. I intentionally did not give my opinion until a catholic had given it freely.

Once given, I further explained and explained why the other given answers were insufficient.

Why are you so readily presuming that I am an enemy? It appears that the CC doesn’t teach of that aspect of Jesus either. When you presume a person to be an enemy, you tempt him into becoming one. If you don’t believe that, just behave around a common dog as though you expect him to bite you. But bring bandages.

I have found through this thread reason to admire the catholic for many reasons. I have not found all that I would have liked.
 
James_S_Saint said:
I have not found all that I would have liked.
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:). Let me guess. You haven’t yet found a forum where all the Catholics will agree with you.😃

If you pay a good wage their might be a few heretics willing to turn a blind eye.😃 How about thirty pieces of silver.:eek:.

Just kidding;). Thanks for helping me out with the “thingy-bob”.👍
 
MindOverMatter said:
:). Let me guess. You haven’t yet found a forum where all the Catholics will agree with you.😃

If you pay a good wage their might be a few heretics willing to turn a blind eye.😃 How about thirty pieces of silver.:eek:.
Exercise your negativity and hate as you will. I have not come to change you.

Merely to see you.
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James_S_Saint said:
Exercise your negativity and hate as you will. I have not come to change you.

Merely to see you.
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Eh…can’t you take a joke? Thats why i used all the smileys! You are seriously buggin.

By the way you can’t see me. We are communicating through messages.
 
MindOverMatter said:
Eh…can’t you take a joke? Thats why i used all the smileys! You are seriously buggin.

By the way you can’t see me. We are communicating through messages.
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I apologize for implying that comment was so directly aimed at you.:console::bowdown2:

And I, along with many others, see far more than you think through mere “messages”. There is an angel in every jot and tittle. :onpatrol:
 
James_S_Saint said:
Did you read post #134 and its links?

As I just posted, it is my belief that Jesus’ church had a purpose other than merely being an advertising agency. This question reveals what that purpose actually was.

As I said, I have no questions concerning the divine, but rather inquiry as to the CC. Does it teach its faithful the actual purpose of Jesus’ church (for example)? It appears not.

Without the Church, you must indeed hate (be hostile and destructive toward) your enemies. Without his Church, you must be merely another sect of Judaism or perish.

But I did not come here to preach. I came seeking the truth of the CC. I did not come here to “debate”, but to gain a clear sight of the CC (whether I agree or not). I am not judging. I am trying to assess the real situation.
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Then dude, I suggest you get off this forum and go straight to a “parish near you” and gain your insight of the Catholic Church and its teachings there. Cause it sure does seem like you just want an argument.

Blessings,

HC
 
happilycatholic said:
Then dude, I suggest you get off this forum and go straight to a “parish near you” and gain your insight of the Catholic Church and its teachings there. Cause it sure does seem like you just want an argument.

Blessings,

HC
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Oh I have no doubt that Jesus has little to do with the churches in this neighborhood. But thanks for the insight.
 
James_S_Saint said:
Did you read post #134 and its links?

As I just posted, it is my belief that Jesus’ church had a purpose other than merely being an advertising agency. This question reveals what that purpose actually was.

As I said, I have no questions concerning the divine, but rather inquiry as to the CC. Does it teach its faithful the actual purpose of Jesus’ church (for example)? It appears not.

Without the Church, you must indeed hate (be hostile and destructive toward) your enemies. Without his Church, you must be merely another sect of Judaism or perish.

But I did not come here to preach. I came seeking the truth of the CC. I did not come here to “debate”, but to gain a clear sight of the CC (whether I agree or not). I am not judging. I am trying to assess the real situation.
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Really? Coulda fooled me. 😉

You asked a simple question of this forum,
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5660159&postcount=1

I think I gave you a simple answer.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5730507&postcount=140

What I’m noticing, you aren’t following the rules you’ve set for yourself.
 
James_S_Saint said:
I found that asking priests, ministers, and pastors yields that phrase, “You should pray on that”. Which immediately tells me that they know nothing of God or prayer.

I came here because this IS an apologist site.

As I explained before, I know the answer. I wanted to know what Catholics understood the answer to be. I am here more to understand the Catholic specifically, I have no questions concerning divine Truth.

After many posts, I find that most accept an excuse for the word rather than understand Jesus’ exact meaning. But gladly, there seem to be a few who see a little more clearly, although I have yet to see a really perfect response. A couple were close enough. 🙂

ref: Post #134
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So you didnt ask an actual apolagist on here yet! only the members who log on to conversate and learn. You have some verry vein and proud remarks suggesting you know more than others! You have been given the answers yet you choose to ignore them! Your hostility lets me assume that you are Jewish! You are arent you! Seriousely grow up!
 
jake23 said:
So you didnt ask an actual apolagist on here yet! only the members who log on to conversate and learn. You have some verry vein and proud remarks suggesting you know more than others! You have been given the answers yet you choose to ignore them! Your hostility lets me assume that you are Jewish! You are arent you! Seriousely grow up!
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The hostility you see is ENTIRELY in your own mind caused by your impatience to look at what is really there.
 
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