Okay Muslims, I would like a straight answer!

[Muslim]

LilyM:

How about 1.5 billion+ people 2000 years after you’ve died? Should you be more impressed by the extra 500 years?

seriously, go ask most so called “Christians” what their beliefs are…90% of them won’t be able to answer…and then ask how many of them follow their beliefs… 90% of them does not follow their belief

anyways this is comparing apples to oranges because its not a question of whether Jesus was the messenger of God or not…because the question exoflare asked was if Mohammed was a prophet or not…

and if you even bothered to read the original post you would have read that your christian brother requests any Christians to not respond

 

[LilyM]

Apologies, ex - forgot about the no Christians rule

 

[exoflare]

Muslim:

seriously, go ask most so called “Christians” what their beliefs are…90% of them won’t be able to answer…and then ask how many of them follow their beliefs… 90% of them does not follow their belief

anyways this is comparing apples to oranges because its not a question of whether Jesus was the messenger of God or not…because the question exoflare asked was if Mohammed was a prophet or not…

and if you even bothered to read the original post you would have read that your christian brother requests any Christians to not respond

So you ARE still reading this thread. I wasn’t sure. Could you respond to my last question?

You too, Justic… I mean, “freedomm”.

 

[Ishmael_s_child]

LilyM:

How about 1.5 billion+ people 2000 years after you’ve died? Should you be more impressed by the extra 500 years?

tanx , 1.5 billion ( muslims) became equal to or more than 1.5 billion( christians) who came before muslims (500 years) .
so where the christians spent these 500 years and for what , 500 years, the forth part age of christianity do not make a difference
you understand me…

 

[exoflare]

Ishmael's child:

tanx , 1.5 billion ( muslims) became equal to or more than 1.5 billion( christians) who came before muslims (500 years) .
so where the christians spent these 500 years and for what , 500 years, the forth part age of christianity do not make a difference
you understand me…

Lily, don’t reply to this guy. Trying to derail the thread is his only strategy at this point.

Another reminder here… Christians, please DO NOT POST in this thread. Thanks!

 

[ashok]

freedomm:

Dear exoflare:
Your last question reminds me the curiosity of Philip (if I assume this incident is reported without alteration).

Philip was among Jesus’ disciples. It is understood that he must have known and a firm belief as well about Jesus’ birth without earthly father. And it is unimaginable that he may not have seen any of Jesus’ ‘signs, wonders and miracles’ that later Peter testified in public after the pentecost.

Now listen to Philip, what he is asking from his Master, Jesus:

“shew us the Father, and it is enough for us”.

Is it not amazing that despite being with Jesus for long time and inspite seeing/knowing his ‘signs, wonders and miracles’, he is not satisfied and want to see the father. Now listen what Jesus replied:
Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.

Then later Jesus also reported to have said this:

** If you love me, keep my commandments**… . . . .

And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you… . . . . for the Father is greater than I. ------John 14

Did you get the point, dear exoflare?​

hi exoflare,

in reply to the above post of freedom, u asked him:

exoflare:

Okay, but what are you trying to imply with this? Just come out and say it.

exoflare, i can’t believe that u did not understand the point freedom is trying to make. r u really that much dull?

the whole episode of Philip & Jesus is very clear. philip despite being Jesus’ close companion & watching his miracles still demanding from Jesus to show the Father, i.e. God. why? b’cause Jesus was not God & he never claimed to be God.

jesus’ answer to philip is very clear b’cause God cannot be seen. He is invisible. since Jesus used parables often to make things clear, but sometimes it became very heavy for certain ppl. b’cause not all are alike in their understanding. here what jesus is saying in other words is: since God cannot be seen, ur (philips’) insistence is nonsense. what is important is what i am uttering. & what i utter is not from my own b’cause i am not the Father (God). i am a man approved of God, u know that. i came not to destroy the law of previous Prophets. now, u know what i am uttering? i am uttering if u love me keep my commandemnts. it is commandments/law of God that r the core of my mission. if u have been following the law sent b4 me, then there was no need of me. since u (most jews) forgot or destracted from the observance of the law of God, God (the Father) sent me with clear wonders, signs, miracles so that u shud be put back again on the track of Moses’ law.

u can ask why jesus…

cont///

 

[ashok]

u can ask why jesus had miracles? well, Moses too perfomed miracles. the question is not whether he performed wonders or not, be’cause all these wonders r not prophets’ own work but job of God to convince ppl. that they r sent by God. but this is actually for those most evil ppl of their nations. an honest man accepts the prophethood of godly people based on the righteousness & clarity and rationale of their divine message. he doesn’t demand or challenge for miracles. in the case of jesus, b’cause jews for centuries were most transgressing ppl. they murdered their own prophets. despite being God’s choosen, they did not respect them nor value God’s favour.

so since God is just also, He put them in severe trial & test. even then jews have been crucifying their own ppl. thus jesus had to to sent with clear signs & wonders to make these evil ppl of jew-nation realise what they r doing & accept jesus as their an another messia. messia does not mean divine personality. messia is merely a titile for godly man. all jews r gods (metaphorically). even devil is a god (but to pharoah ofcourse). son of god means the one who is obedient to laws of God.

all godly ppl r sons of God. but if someone looks for trouble, it is easy for him to blow any non-issue out of proportion by taking meaning of the words literally. that is what jews (pharisees & the scribes) did to jesus. jesus never claimed to be God nor he asked his ppl. to worship him (even in your gospels’ narrations). his words r consistent from the beginnning till the end. his miraculous birth & other signs were done by his God thru him. it was not him who performed any strange thing. he was merely a man like u me & all but a godly one. a prophet. his all signs, were to make nasty ppl. of his nation believe in God’s intention. & God’s intention is to make ppl. follow the law of God. why? in order that they live with peace & let live others with peace.

God doesn’t need anything from u. the purpose of law is for our sake. God created us & gave His law, as a manuel of any product but as per conditions. when ppl. either lost or forgot the manuels He sent, God either reneiwed it thru new revelations or restore the previous ones. in the case of Jesus, God asked jesus to restore the earlier law (i.e.torah). and in the case of Muhamed, God gave a final & last meant for whole mankind. no further law will be given. as such Muslims r very very carefull (with God’s Mercy & Help) in preserving, protecting the Koran-the last Law of God.

Muslims too could have start worshipping Muhamed by over praising him then meet the same consequence as Christians met & thus lost in the miseries created by ppl like paul.

but thanks to the clearness& preciseness of Koran’s law, thanks to Prophet Muhamed’s way of preaching, he was able to change the whole Arabia within 23 yrs completely into a monotheistic nation. why monotheism? monotheism means, accepting only God as our ruler. ruler of what? ruler in our daily life matters. it means only His Will shud be applied & homoured in all matters of life for ultimate peace on this earth & in the life after. no other law can bring a real peace.

if u forget this keyword-monotheism- u r lost. most ppl. don’t realise the true meaning of monotheism. if u don’t follow the Will of God or atleast do not realise it’s neccessity, u r doomed, u cannot be called godly nor u r Muslims (the one who submit to the Will of God). not even the blood relationship to any prophet of God can save u unless u surrender to the Will of God. it is this submission that makes u a real brother, sisiter or mother to the prophets of God, spiritually.

the main reaon prophets became target of tyrants of their times, b’cause they invite people to reject all other rulership & accept God’s sovereignty. it was this essence of all Prophets’ messages, that put their lives in trouble. as such many in the process got killed. but in the case of Jesus, though nasty culprit jews & pagan romans tried their best to kill him, but God saved his life from a such insluting death.

the internal contradictory statements r clear proof that Jesus did not die on the tree nor he become acursed of God. God kept his honour & rescued him & lift him up. it was known to people of early period after jesus. since pagan romanised followers of a new version of Jesus, destroy the whole record of early period, there is no way to find out what in fact happened. but 4th century cononization of so called Gospels despite all kinds of misinformations & inconsistencies, some traces of facts still can be seen.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Salaam Exoflare;
Muslims believe in and worship The God whose some of the signs are below. These are some of the signs of the Master of the Universe; Muhammad (PBUH) spent his whole life connecting people with Him and he succeded like no one before.

In his farewell sermon he said:“I have delivered God’s message to you and left you with a clear command: the Book of God and the practice of His Prophet. If you hold fast to this you will never go astray.”

He Also said in the same sermon: “O People! listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat (obligatory charity). Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly.

“Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

“O People! No Prophet or Apostle Will Come after Me and No New Faith Will Be Born. Reason well, therefore, O People! and understand words which I convey to you.

“Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people."

The Signs of Allah (SWT)

“It is He Who brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living, and Who gives life to the earth after it is dead: and thus shall ye be brought out (from the dead)”

“Among His Signs in this, that He created you from dust; and then,- behold, ye are men scattered (far and wide)!”

“And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.”

“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours: verily in that are Signs for those who know.”

“And among His Signs is the sleep that ye take by night and by day, and the quest that ye (make for livelihood) out of His Bounty: verily in that are signs for those who hearken.”

“And among His Signs, He shows you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope, and He sends down rain from the sky and with it gives life to the earth after it is dead: verily in that are Signs for those who are wise.”

“And among His Signs is this, that heaven and earth stand by His Command: then when He calls you, by a single call, from the earth, behold, ye (straightway) come forth.”

“To Him belongs every being that is in the heavens and on earth: all are devoutly obedient to Him.”

“It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. To Him belongs the loftiest similitude (we can think of) in the heavens and the earth: for He is Exalted in Might, full of wisdom.” (Qur’an 30:19-27)

I don’t know if the above is “objective” to you, but to me it is. The Holy Qur’an admonishes me to worship the Creator and Muhammad (PBUH) during his whole life did exactly that.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Muslim]

exoflare:

My question is, why do you say that the book of Genesis contains “fallacy”? How do you know what context it was supposed to be written in?

eh i wasnt really reading this thread…except the last post usually…
well, there were plenty of examples in this thread and even you or your fellow Christians said the Bible was not supposed to be historically correct or scientifically correct,its the message that matters, etc…
example would be the bat being a bird (i know its not a big deal but it just shows an example)
or about the world being flat
or some people believing earth is 6,000 years old
or Noah flooding the entire world (which most scientists claim is impossible)
there are many things where the Bible is wrong when compared to science… and as I have heard from other Christians, the Bible was written at a time when people thought differently about science, history, etc…and i can accept that as even you guys claim its not the word of God… so my question is, how do you know the Jesus being son of God part is right?