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Tis_Bearself
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That chapter of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary was declared not in communion with the Church a long time ago. To my knowledge it’s still not in communion with the Church.
So they aren’t truly “Catholic”.
So they aren’t truly “Catholic”.
Tis_Bearself
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Voris is just pot stirring again. I believe that Richmond, NH community was accused of holding somebody there against their will recently.
There is another branch of this group in Still River, Massachusetts who also call themselves “Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary” and use the name “St. Benedict Center” for their center, and are recognized by the bishop there as a Pious Association of the Faithful and are in communion with the Church. One wonders why Voris did not visit them instead? Because he wants to make trouble as usual, that’s why.
There is another branch of this group in Still River, Massachusetts who also call themselves “Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary” and use the name “St. Benedict Center” for their center, and are recognized by the bishop there as a Pious Association of the Faithful and are in communion with the Church. One wonders why Voris did not visit them instead? Because he wants to make trouble as usual, that’s why.
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Tis_Bearself
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It’s also pretty interesting that the lady who wrote the book you mention in your original post says she actually had a wonderful childhood (I presume that’s apart from getting beaten by the nun), that she never needed therapy, and that she went on to a great Wall Street career.
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Feanor2
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I just got this book for my kindle and look forward to reading it
So is the group in question in communion or not?
So is the group in question in communion or not?
Tis_Bearself
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My understanding is that now there are 2 groups with same name, “Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary” and each run their own “St. Benedict Center”.
The Richmond, NH group of this name is NOT in communion with the Church.
The Still River, MA group of this name IS in communion with the Church.
Fr. Feeney died decades ago. He had been excommunicated for some time before his death, for disobedience, but he got back into communion with the Church a little bit prior to his death.
The Richmond, NH group of this name is NOT in communion with the Church.
The Still River, MA group of this name IS in communion with the Church.
Fr. Feeney died decades ago. He had been excommunicated for some time before his death, for disobedience, but he got back into communion with the Church a little bit prior to his death.
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Maxirad . . .
One of my more Traditionalist friends talks about two of those groups.
One faithful to the Magisterium. One not faithful to the Magisterium.
I’m not saying your link is wrong.
And I don’t follow a lot of the Traditionalist issues either (so what I am saying here MIGHT be irrelevant).
I love the Tridentine Mass. But I love the Pauline Mass as well. (And some of the Eastern Rite Catholic Liturgies too.)
You might want to check more into that.
God bless.
Cathoholic
That MAY not be accurate here.
One of my more Traditionalist friends talks about two of those groups.
One faithful to the Magisterium. One not faithful to the Magisterium.
I’m not saying your link is wrong.
And I don’t follow a lot of the Traditionalist issues either (so what I am saying here MIGHT be irrelevant).
I love the Tridentine Mass. But I love the Pauline Mass as well. (And some of the Eastern Rite Catholic Liturgies too.)
You might want to check more into that.
God bless.
Cathoholic
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Tis_Bearself. Yes.
I just posted something of the same sort.
And then I saw your post after that.
(Frankly I don’t follow it enough to KNOW who is doing what regarding the “slaves”. I just know it is complicated.)
I just posted something of the same sort.
And then I saw your post after that.
(Frankly I don’t follow it enough to KNOW who is doing what regarding the “slaves”. I just know it is complicated.)
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Feanor2
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So while the author was living there were they in communion?
Tis_Bearself
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I doubt it. Father Feeney set up the community while he was excommunicated, so it wouldn’t have been approved. He wasn’t let back into the church till the early 70s. The article says the author lived there in the 50s and 60s so that would have been during the time when Feeney the leader was out of the Church.
After the man died is when some of his followers started trying to get the official approvals for their communities and groups.
en.wikipedia.org
en.m.wikipedia.org
After the man died is when some of his followers started trying to get the official approvals for their communities and groups.
Leonard Feeney - Wikipedia
Feeneyism - Wikipedia
Tis_Bearself
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Found some more clarification. This post is from a sister who knows all the orders. It is from 2011. She notes that none of the followers were ever excommunicated (as of 2011) but the community in Massachusetts was under interdict and fixed that by simply moving out of the diocese.
She also notes that (as of 2011 when she was writing this) the NH group were working with their bishop towards pious association status and the bishop had appointed a chaplain for the group. I understand that was the case for a few years but within the last couple years things broke down (see my previously posted article ) and the bishop no longer lets them have a chaplain or Masses said at their compound. I take it they never made it to the pious association status.
www.phatmass.com
She also notes that (as of 2011 when she was writing this) the NH group were working with their bishop towards pious association status and the bishop had appointed a chaplain for the group. I understand that was the case for a few years but within the last couple years things broke down (see my previously posted article ) and the bishop no longer lets them have a chaplain or Masses said at their compound. I take it they never made it to the pious association status.
Who's Who With The Slaves Of The Immaculate Heart Of Mary
Since I have know the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (their initials are MICM) for 37 years I thought I could help you all get unconfused and clear up some misunderstandings! The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary were originally a lay group founded by Fr. Leonard Feeney SJ in Boston ...
www.phatmass.com
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Theo520
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I’m curious why her childhood in the 50’s is now so newsworthy.
Smells more like Catholic bashing than news.
Smells more like Catholic bashing than news.
Tis_Bearself
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I agree that the article is framed up like Catholic bashing, especially since you have to get mostly through the article before you get to the part where she says she actually had a happy childhood and a successful life. Also, the fact that a group founded by a priest who was excommunicated during almost the entire time when was running the group is called “Catholic”.
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JimR-OCDS
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Correct, the Benedictine Center in Still River MA, is not connected with the group in NH,
I live here in Central MA and the Dioceses had an article about the Still River Group, in the Catholic Free Press. If I remember correctly, my Bishop has visited their center.
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I live here in Central MA and the Dioceses had an article about the Still River Group, in the Catholic Free Press. If I remember correctly, my Bishop has visited their center.
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poche
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Corporal punishment was very common in those days. It is very likely that that sister would not have been much different than a lot of other parents and those responsible for the rearing of children.
Tis_Bearself
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It is also VERY likely that she would not be that different from a great many other sisters teaching in private schools at the time, or even in public schools.
I went to public school for kindergarten in the 1960s, as the Catholic school did not have a kindergarten then and started with first grade. At the public school I attended, I saw personally that the principal had a wooden paddle and threatened boys who bullied or caused trouble with corporal punishment.
When I got to Catholic grade school, there were some sisters and lay teachers there who would hit kids with rulers or throw objects at them if they misbehaved. This was considered normal. All these teachers were at least in their 60s so this stuff had obviously been going on for some time.
There might be a difference though if the sister in the book was hitting the girls a lot. Corporal punishment in my day was generally directed against boys who were out of control. I can’t remember an instance of a girl being hit.
I went to public school for kindergarten in the 1960s, as the Catholic school did not have a kindergarten then and started with first grade. At the public school I attended, I saw personally that the principal had a wooden paddle and threatened boys who bullied or caused trouble with corporal punishment.
When I got to Catholic grade school, there were some sisters and lay teachers there who would hit kids with rulers or throw objects at them if they misbehaved. This was considered normal. All these teachers were at least in their 60s so this stuff had obviously been going on for some time.
There might be a difference though if the sister in the book was hitting the girls a lot. Corporal punishment in my day was generally directed against boys who were out of control. I can’t remember an instance of a girl being hit.
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Theo520
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Corporal punishment was the norm in america probably through the mid 70’s.
SCOTUS even ruled it was OK in 1977
SCOTUS even ruled it was OK in 1977
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poche
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And in those days if your parents found out there usually was another punishment waiting for you when you got home.
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13pollitos
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I attended public school in a southern state for grades 3-5 and it was not unusual to be paddled by either the teachers or the principal. This was the 1980’s. It wasn’t just Catholic or private schools that this was the norm for a good deal of American history.
As students we knew which teachers used the paddle, which ones used rulers, which ones yelled, which ones were so lax we could do basically whatever and receive no punishment, and which teachers could control us with just a look. The ones in that last group were the scariest. They were so much more terrifying than the paddlers.
As students we knew which teachers used the paddle, which ones used rulers, which ones yelled, which ones were so lax we could do basically whatever and receive no punishment, and which teachers could control us with just a look. The ones in that last group were the scariest. They were so much more terrifying than the paddlers.
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