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Faith1960
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So NO amputees would benefit from a restored limb?
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As indicated within this thread, some did.
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Faith1960
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How so?
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lowell_mass
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Why doesn’t God heal amputees? Check the definition of “heal.” It means to make healthy. Heal does not mean “replace”. You are not a car and your arm is not a break pad.
Your real question is “why doesn’t the human body regenerate?” the answer to this lies in the complexity of our nervous system. I am glad that I am not a salamander.
Your real question is “why doesn’t the human body regenerate?” the answer to this lies in the complexity of our nervous system. I am glad that I am not a salamander.
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Faith1960
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Okay. Why doesn’t God make an amputees limb regenerate?
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Blinky
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They don’t have faith. They need the faith that Juan Miguel Pellicer had.
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Faith1960
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That’s easy enough for someone to say, but really, you don’t know that.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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If God cured all the illness, and restored all the amputees, got rid of poverty, and all other malities of the world it most certainly would remove free will. to lovya how could you say you would still give him a piece of your mind. What would that be? " How dare you do all those wonderful things?!
You, also would not have to choose to have faith in God as the proof would be right there.
Therefore again messing with your free will.
Everytime I hear an Athiest or agnostic say if there was a God why does he not heal the amputee or this or that illness I am reminded of the little child that screams at it parent when it does not get what it wants “YOU dont Love me, If you did you would give that to ME!”
Also I have noticed that they always want to define the terms of the arguement and if the person of faith does not agree to those terms then they are being unreasonable and BS_ING.
You, also would not have to choose to have faith in God as the proof would be right there.
Therefore again messing with your free will.
Everytime I hear an Athiest or agnostic say if there was a God why does he not heal the amputee or this or that illness I am reminded of the little child that screams at it parent when it does not get what it wants “YOU dont Love me, If you did you would give that to ME!”
Also I have noticed that they always want to define the terms of the arguement and if the person of faith does not agree to those terms then they are being unreasonable and BS_ING.
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bigquests
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It was very feeble miracle. Parkinson’s is a subjective diagnosis which can be make by anyone on anyone. There is no way to PROVE that someone has Parkinson’s, therefore no way to prove that someone is “cured”. There are a wide variety variety of Parkinson-like states that are self-limiting and reversible. I didn’t hear what the diagnosis was based on. Any neurological exams, MRIs, CT scans, EEGs, examinations by famous neurologists or neurological institutes before AND after? The ‘miracle’ took place in Poland, where a lot of people are very anxious to ‘find’, ?produce?, “create” a miracle. Why no miracles at MD Anderson, Sloan-Kettering, Guy’s in London?
No, God has never cured an amputee and people say that’s because there’s nothing wrong with them. If so, some of our Iraq vets would like to get them alone for five minutes.
RE free will, there’s no reason God could not create humans with a strong proclivity for good. I have known a few such people. Most humans don’t go jumping off buildings. Why not? Because they don’t want to. There are strong reasons not to. Why can’t people have the same attitude towards greed, violence, lust, selfishness, and other common evils?
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bigquests
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I think that you want to define the terms of the argument. Jesus performed miracles, such as raising the dead and restoring sight to the blind because he wanted people to believe in him and his teachings. Apparently the apostles performed miracles, too. Unfortunately in the modern era, very few miracles are being performed. So why believe? There is one miracle that has never happened, a human regrowing an amputated part. NO reason why God can’t do this, if he can raise the dead, several days dead (“he stinketh”), restore blindness etc. This doesn’t happen nowadays either. But the restoration of an amputeed part has never happened.If God cured all the illness, and restored all the amputees, got rid of poverty, and all other malities of the world it most certainly would remove free will. to lovya how could you say you would still give him a piece of your mind. What would that be? " How dare you do all those wonderful things?!
You, also would not have to choose to have faith in God as the proof would be right there.
Therefore again messing with your free will.
Everytime I hear an Athiest or agnostic say if there was a God why does he not heal the amputee or this or that illness I am reminded of the little child that screams at it parent when it does not get what it wants “YOU dont Love me, If you did you would give that to ME!”
Also I have noticed that they always want to define the terms of the argument and if the person of faith does not agree to those terms then they are being unreasonable and BS_ING.
Other things don’t happen either. What about levitation. Anyone posted a documented case on YouTube? What about bilocation?
It’s much harder to prove ‘miracles’ now. Too much documentation, too many smartphones around. Too many witnesses.
I think that people are reasonable to expect that the all-loving all-powerful etc. I think that it is reasonable to pray for health and happiness and it is not being unreasonable to accuse God of failure if it doesn’t happen. Didn’t Jesus say,* and spelled it out:*
**Luke 11:9-13 (NIV) "**So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
Oh , but that is metaphorical–Jesus is talking about spiritual graces not actual food!–you say. He wasn’t? It sure sounds as if he were!!
People pray to God that they be spared terrible things. Is this unreasonable? Not let them get cancer, get murdered or raped, or their countries torn apart by war? Most humans would do anything in their power for their children, but they are not all-powerful. God is, supposedly, but does nothing.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Mark 8:12
[12] And sighing deeply in spirit, he saith: Why doth this generation seek a sign? Amen, I say to you, a sign shall not be given to this generation.
see mark 8:12
Just because I would see it on You tube does not mean I would beleive it as real.
Do not tempt the Lord your God.
Maybe they are asking for the wrong thing. and maybe just maybe the answer is no. does a loving parnet give its child everything it ask for or when it ask for it?
I thinnk your putting words in my mouth. I think that he was speaking both. Keep in mind also the prayer of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane Mark 14:36
[36] And he saith: Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee: remove this chalice from me; but not what I will, but what thou wilt. Even Christ did not have all his prayers answered with the answer that he wanted.
Agian see mark 14: 36
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tonyrey
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We would be compelled to believe in God.
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bigquests
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I am quoting the words of Jesus in the gospel of Luke in the version I quoted. No, no one is asking God to give him/her everything, just not give a scorpion when one asks for an egg, to paraphrase Jesus.
And no, I wouldn’t necessarily believe everything on YouTube as real, but if someone alleges a ‘miracle’, I would sure insist on some real 21th century evidence.
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Blinky
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I know, however, that nothing is impossible for God. He can heal amputees as in the case of Mr. Pellicer.
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Luvya
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Can’t you come up with something relevant? We would know that God exists, that is for sure. But we would not be compelled to love or worship God. So our “free will” would still be there. Amazing that after so many repetitions some people keep bringing up the same tired nonsense every time.
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Luvya
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No, but a loving parent gives food to a hungry child. A loving parent cures a sick child. A loving parent does not throw out a child from his house for ONE little disobedience. The answer is always NO…
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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That is not true. God has said yes to many of my prayers. My mothers loves me very much, but at a point in my life were in was not living be her rules and the way she saw that was right she kicked me out of the house. it was the best thing for her to do for me.
I love my brother very much, and he had no were to go I took him in. He would not live by my rules I put him out.
God has provided a planet with everything that is needed to cloth, shelter, and feed the entire population. Yet by the greed of man people are naked, homeless, and starving.
People need to realize that the ills of the world are our doing not Gods. If we want a perfect World we have to live as he told us.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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So you would be no better off. By the way by what reason would you have not to love him if all your prayers were answered the way you wanted?
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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But god did not that the cup from Christ. We have to have Faith that what Happens when god says No is for the better.
I also see that eveytime a person is cured of cancer as a miricule. when I see stories on the local news were a man that had his hand cut off ten years ago has has a new hand attached Those are miricules. Every child Born is a miricule.
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Luvya
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Not relevant. Tony said that having positive knowledge about God’s existence would rob us of our free will. He is wont to repeat this nonsense periodically, and I point it out for him and everyone else. To bring up such baloney is not conducive to a rational discussion.
That is a different story. If that would be the case, then I would have a very good reason to be grateful to him, or even love him. But that is just pie in the sky. I am looking around and see absolutely no reason for assuming that a deity exists, and even less reason to assume that this deity is “benevolent”.
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