Old Testament - seven extra books in Catholic Bibles

[Ginger2]

This was unexpected as I was referring to to Esdras one not being the same Esdras one as claimed at Hippo.

However, I don’t remember where that info can be found and don’t really feel like searching for it.

This sounds to me like the claim is Trent adopted the same list as Hippo, but the Vulgate included books not on that list.

So if the pope approved the Vulgate and Trent approved the Hippo list.

Where does that leave us?

(Altho, if Esdras one in the Trent canon is not the same as Esdras one in the Hippo canon, it is still not the same canon)

 

[Apryl]

I believe Catholics added these books as a counter measure against the split caused by Martin Luther.

Do you know why Martin Luther caused the split? Do you know which came first?

That would give a different perspective to your questions.

And while the New Testament BOOKS are the same, there are verses missing from the Protestant texts.

It would make some interesting reading, by the way, to read the Deuterocanonical books and verses!

(Editted to say: Oops. I didn’t realize there were already so many posts in this thread. I hadn’t read to the end, and I apologize for any repeated comments )

 

[Ginger2]

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But yes, does anyone have any evidence of a book being used in the liturgy AFTER THE COUNCILS OF CARTHAGE AND HIPPO that were not included in the list of canonical scriptures at these two councils?

Yes, that is what I understood Michuta to say. The Hippo list is the same as Trent, but the Vulgate included the books passed over.

That would mean the RC has been using a different Bible from at least the fifth century to the 16th when they passed over some of the books in Jerome’s Vulgate.

Did I misread?

 

[NotWorthy]

So, if I read this correctly, The Book of Esdras, Fourth Ezra, and Third Maccabees were included in Carthage and Hippo. But they were “passed over in silence” at Trent? I wasn’t aware of this.

BTW, are these the books our Orthodox brothers have in their canon? I seem to recall they have three, maybe four, extra books.

 

[Ginger2]

BTW, are these the books our Orthodox brothers have in their canon? I seem to recall they have three, maybe four, extra books.

That’s a good question.

Maybe we should all convert to Orthodoxy.

 

[NotWorthy]

That’s a good question.

Maybe we should all convert to Orthodoxy.

Curiosity doesn’t mean willing to leave the Bride.

 

[Ginger2]

Curiosity doesn’t mean willing to leave the Bride.

It was a joke.

 

[NotWorthy]

It was a joke.

So was my response!

 

[Ginger2]

So was my response!

Orthodox include 1 Esdras, 3 & 4 Macc and Pslam 151

The link provided by Pwrlftr said the RC passed over
The Book of Esdras, Fourth Ezra, and Third Maccabees

Douay Rheims has 1 & 2 Esdras, 1 & 2 Macc

 

[Pwrlftr]

BTW, are these the books our Orthodox brothers have in their canon? I seem to recall they have three, maybe four, extra books.

I’m not sure but I think they accept 3 and 4 Maccabees…don’t know about the others.

 

[Ginger2]

I’m not sure but I think they accept 3 and 4 Maccabees…don’t know about the others.

Orthodox accept all 4 Macc

 

[kimmielittle]

I discussed this in another thread, and suddenly the thread was deleted without any given reason. So I’ll try again…

Catholics have seven extra books in their Bible. These books are called “Deuteronomy” They are in the Old Testament. (The New Testament is the same for both Catholics and Protestants.)

The books are: Sirach, Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and Baruch, (and longer versions of Daniel and Esther)

I believe Catholics added these books as a counter measure against the split caused by Martin Luther.

My teaching is that those books were taken out by the Protestants, I believe in the 1500’s. It’s in my catechism and was on one of my tests.

 

[Ginger2]

My teaching is that those books were taken out by the Protestants, I believe in the 1500’s. It’s in my catechism and was on one of my tests.

Hi, You’re coming in a little late.

We have already discovered Luther didn’t remove those books, but appended them the same way Jerome did.

Martin Luther’s Bible included the deuteros.

 

[irishpatrick]

**Ginger2,

After all this discussion, do you now agree that the Catholic Church did not add books to the Canon?**
(that is, after all, the point of this thread)

 

[MarcoPolo]

According to the 2nd century Mishnah, the Jewish rabbis continued to dispute the canon of Scripture…

Nice reference, Dave. Well done. Between you and (Patrick457 in the first couple hundred posts) and some other good posters here, the Deuterocanonical books have been very well defended.

 

[irishpatrick]

Ginger2,

After all this discussion, do you now agree that the Catholic Church did not add books to the Canon?
(that is, after all, the point of this thread)

 

[irishpatrick]

Nice reference, Dave. Well done. Between you and (Patrick457 in the first couple hundred posts) and some other good posters here, the Deuterocanonical books have been very well defended.

Yes, and I would like to see Ginger answer the question posed in #426. Isn’t it time she actually answered that question?

 

[MarcoPolo]

Have you anywhere in this thread recanted your statement that Catholics added these books at Trent, or do you still believe this to be the case???

 

[MarcoPolo]

Yes, and I would like to see Ginger answer the question posed in #426. Isn’t it time she actually answered that question?

Oh you beat me to it!

 

[irishpatrick]

I believe everyone in this thread should cease posting until that question is answered. People have spent a lot of time, love and respect speaking with Ginger, we all deserve an answer from her regarding her own OP.