Older women choosing religious life

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Well, 3 weeks later and the Brigittines did not answer me at all about communicating wiht family which is an answer all by itself. So, If you re older and attached to teh Tridentine mass, and want a life with vowed sisters, your search will be extremely, extremely, difficult. Mine has not been fruitless but it has been disappointing. I have a vocation but it will not be fulfilled in a convent, nor as a nun which is very sad. I’ll get over it. I refuse to live my life in bitterness and anger.

if anybody reads this, and I am not sure anyone does, plese do not say, “it’s never too late” because for some things it is really too late.
 
Well, 3 weeks later and the Brigittines did not answer me at all about communicating wiht family which is an answer all by itself. So, If you re older and attached to teh Tridentine mass, and want a life with vowed sisters, your search will be extremely, extremely, difficult. Mine has not been fruitless but it has been disappointing. I have a vocation but it will not be fulfilled in a convent, nor as a nun which is very sad. I’ll get over it. I refuse to live my life in bitterness and anger.

if anybody reads this, and I am not sure anyone does, plese do not say, “it’s never too late” because for some things it is really too late.
Have you considered these communities that have the Latin Mass and consider belated vocations:

Carmel of Cristo Rey

Religious Sisters of Mercy
(have the Latin Mass on occasion and use MANY latin prayers)

Sisters of St. Benedict Center
 
The sisters of ST Benedict were not exactly rude but theri answer was kind of “are you kidding” - I threw away the answer but I remember it ended in an exclamation point- maybe “of course not!” when I asked about age. I was so hurt I stopped going to their website altogether and now ignore them completely. Sorry, I’m not made of steel. I know they have a convent of older women but I was finally told that that is more or less the “retirement home” side of the thing - plus I guess if you are a local and they know you…the Carmel one is “hidden” and probably cloistered adn age lmit of 37. “Consideing belated vocatuions” usually means around 50 or so. - almost Never past 60.

Look, you know, maybe this is best. I dont; know how, but maybe.
 
One of the things to remember is that a woman who is past 50 has far less choices than one who is under 35, so her ‘list of requirements’ in a community needs to be very realistic. Sometimes what we want in terms of habit, type of Mass etc is stronger than our desire for religious life. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does need to be something that we are aware of. Many saints weren’t able to enter in the communities where they wanted to be, but their longing for religious life was stronger than their desires for a particular place, and they entered where they were accepted. St Therese’s sister, Leonie wanted to be a Carmelite but her health wasn’t good enough. Rather than give up, she entered the Visitation - perhaps not her first choice, but where God wanted her. She had to leave several times but she persevered because she honestly believed she had a vocation to religious life. She probably carried a certain amount of disappointment in her heart, but also joy at being able to fulfill the longing. We don’t always get everything we want just the way we want it.

Perhaps going back to discernment, especially after a disappointment, one needs to really search one’s heart for the real longing. Is the longing for religious life, no matter what, or is it for particular expressions of that life - such as type of Mass, type of habit, number of times one can see their family, etc?

The reason I point this out is because perseverance through difficulties is hard enough but if one isn’t quite sure of what the longing is for, then it will be even harder. We really need to examine our hearts to work out what our real longing is calling us to do to fulfill God’s plan for us.
 
The sisters of ST Benedict were not exactly rude but theri answer was kind of “are you kidding” - I threw away the answer but I remember it ended in an exclamation point- maybe “of course not!” when I asked about age. I was so hurt I stopped going to their website altogether and now ignore them completely. Sorry, I’m not made of steel. I know they have a convent of older women but I was finally told that that is more or less the “retirement home” side of the thing - plus I guess if you are a local and they know you…the Carmel one is “hidden” and probably cloistered adn age lmit of 37. “Consideing belated vocatuions” usually means around 50 or so. - almost Never past 60.

Look, you know, maybe this is best. I dont; know how, but maybe.
I am reminded of a dear friend who reached a similar point of deadlock and impasse because of age and other factors.

she finally stood in a muddy Irish field and shouted at God that if He really wanted her to be without family, church community then " I WILL DO IT BUT I DO NOT LIKE IT!"

Soon after doors started opening in unexpected ways. All her seeking was of little use as she was seemingly not leaving room for God to work.
11 years on and she is strong in her Order

But had that not happened then she would have lived apart as a Solitary
 
I am reminded of a dear friend who reached a similar point of deadlock and impasse because of age and other factors.

she finally stood in a muddy Irish field and shouted at God that if He really wanted her to be without family, church community then " I WILL DO IT BUT I DO NOT LIKE IT!"

Soon after doors started opening in unexpected ways. All her seeking was of little use as she was seemingly not leaving room for God to work.
11 years on and she is strong in her Order

But had that not happened then she would have lived apart as a Solitary
I am not so sure that I would agree with the judgment that she ‘was not leaving room for God to work’. Sometimes God just has His own timing - witness Abraham and St Monica, and sometimes it is about perseverance, witness Leonie Martin.

No one knows the heart of another or God’s plans for them.
 
You still did not ring up Sr. Christina of the "All Saints Sisters of the Poor " in Maryland or better still go to there web site and leave a message for Sister to ring you, as she might be in prayers, they have the Tridentine Mass and a great prayer Life. Found there phone Number 001-410-747-4104.

You have no excuse now talk and see what the Lord has in store for you. Praise the Lord.:signofcross:
 
Nunsense, thank you for pointing out things not everyone will point out- your email gives me much to think about. I AM wondering if I am more attached to the mass itself than religious life. I am wondering a lot of things. I spoke with FAther this afternoon, and also did get a brief email from the Brigittine Sister, that she had been moving and unable to answer. Since she is Hungarian, there is a language and emphasis issue, more about understanding nuance than language itself. Which in iteslf points out my sensitive little nature and how easily I get all upset, which is not so good, you know.

Earlier in this thread I posted about Mother Susan and the Daughters of Divinie Hope. She was so very nice and open to me, even after I told her I was attached to teh Latin Mass. I find the Brigittines not so “friendly and open” - is this language? nuance? No need on her part to be a people pleaser? Need on my part to elicit a certain reaction?. tThis is a problem on MY part, that I would require someone to be understanding and “friendly”. - and even more, that I would be so attached to personalities rather than the goal of religious life. So, Nunsense i have much to think about. What AM I seeking? A life dedicated to the salvation of my soul and serving God, a life of prayer, or…do I require friends AND the life dedicated…etc, etc. I’m not a lonely person but I am aware that the nature and future of “friendship” sometimes changes.
 
Morning Prayer - I am no expert on discernment but here are some of my thoughts.

Trust God. I mean, really trust Him. He is working with you on this - without His help nothing is going to happen. But don’t expect your path to be strewn with roses and everyone to open their arms wide to you. Be prepared for every imaginable kind of obstacle and some that you can’t imagine. Be prepared for unkindness, even amongst clergy and nuns. Be prepared for disappointment, disillusionment and depression. But also be prepared for amazing opportunities, unexpected kindness and a joy that fills your heart. Throughout it all, remember that the only reason you want to do this (hopefully) is because you love Jesus. If it isn’t your reason, then maybe you need to start at that point and ask yourself just why you want religious life. We can endure almost anything for the one we love.

Trust yourself. Don’t second guess every feeling, every thought, every instinct that you have. Sure, we can be wrong, lots of times, but sometimes even the wrong thing is for our good in the long run. I look at some of the communities I have lived in and wonder why I ever thought I would fit in there - but looking back, the experience taught me a lot about myself and strengthened my trust in God. If you are worried about something - like the way a person speaks to you or some other intangible – trust your instincts and don’t try to force things. First impressions aren’t always right, but they are indicators that something might not be right. I failed to follow my instinct on one community and it turned out to be absolutely right. Once again, no regrets, but I did learn not to ignore warning signals.

It is always harder for us older women, I know, because we think, if I don’t accept the one that will accept me, then maybe I won’t get accepted anywhere. So we try to squeeze our size 9 foot into a size 7 shoe - and it might work until we start getting blisters and can’t walk anymore!

By the way - there are MANY communities out there who WILL accept older women, but the trick is to find them. A lot of research is necessary (and allowing oneself to be rejected when we make enquiries) - but also, we have to listen for God’s promptings - they are often very quiet inspirations that make us think about things in a different way.

And get to know yourself very well. If you don’t know who you are and what you want, and why you want it - then this whole thing might just be some kind of romantic dream that has no basis in reality. Convents are not ideal worlds full of holy people - they are everyday, ordinary places with human beings in them. There may be a saint or two floating around, but in my experience, most nuns are just like you and me - weak and flawed, and in some cases, even mean and unholy! So don’t idealize anything in your head. Be prepared to live with other ‘old’ women who can sometimes feel like supportive and loving sisters, and other times like vindictive and spiteful children. So, the reason one enters religious life is important. If one is there for Jesus, then it makes everything a little easier - because nothing is impossible for God.

And when enquiring whether a community accepts older women or not - a lot of their decision is going to be based on how you present yourself. If you write a one sentence email saying, Hi, I am a (insert age here) year old woman - would you consider me? - you can imagine the response. Thanks but no thanks. But try to send an email or write a letter explaining that – you are feeling (have always felt, whatever your situation) a call to religious life and want to know if it’s God’s will for you. You are (whatever age) but you are in excellent (good, fair) health (give some reasons why you think this - you just ran the Boston Marathon, walked the Camino, ride horses every day etc) and you are NOT looking for a retirement home or place to spend your final days! If you have a family, mention them briefly but stress that no one is dependent upon you and that you have no financial debts. The thing is, you need to sell yourself a little because our society tends to view older persons in a certain way - ready for the retirement home, ill, unfit for work etc. It isn’t any different than trying to get a job as a older person. II isn’t only convents that give us older women a hard time, believe me.

You will also get a lot of unwanted and hurtful advice from well meaning people. Even some of the reject letters from convents will suggest that you try a third order or secular group or your friends and family will ask why you can’t just be happy being a ‘parish lady’. Consider everything that everyone says, and make some decisions about each choice, so that you can say you have investigated these options and do/don’t feel that God is calling you to them. Recently I checked out a Franciscan Third Order to make sure that I was not pushing away the idea of a secular group without some thought and experience of it. God made it clear to me that I wasn’t called to join them. On the other hand, I was invited to visit a convent when I can - I am past their upper age limit, but my letter obviously intrigued them because they said they would like to meet me and have me stay with them for awhile before deciding. And that felt right to me - as if God was saying, I haven’t finished with you yet.

So get close to Jesus - and then get closer. But be practical as well. Perseverance isn’t just stubbornness - but one needs to know WHY they are persevering or they won’t have the strength to keep trying when things get really tough.
 
I am not so sure that I would agree with the judgment that she ‘was not leaving room for God to work’. Sometimes God just has His own timing - witness Abraham and St Monica, and sometimes it is about perseverance, witness Leonie Martin.

No one knows the heart of another or God’s plans for them.
I strongly disagree especially after reading some of the posts here.

Taking the whole thing out of human hands is strong. Trusting in total abandonment …

Knowing what my friend suffered when she was "“persevering” as some áre suffering here

And the sheer power of what happened when she did that

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I strongly disagree especially after reading some of the posts here.

Taking the whole thing out of human hands is strong. Trusting in total abandonment …

Knowing what my friend suffered when she was "“persevering” as some áre suffering here

And the sheer power of what happened when she did that

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Since I don’t know the circumstances involving your friend, and you do, I certainly have no opinion on this matter specifically. I was speaking more generally, and perhaps from my own experiences.

We can both see different sides of the coin - nothing wrong with that.
 
Since I don’t know the circumstances involving your friend, and you do, I certainly have no opinion on this matter specifically. I was speaking more generally, and perhaps from my own experiences.

We can both see different sides of the coin - nothing wrong with that.
It is OK; my sole aim was to console the OP

Leonie was of course in a very different generation; these days it is much harder to enter religious life for so many reasons.In former times for example. women who were widows could live in a convent as “votaries”

My friend had persevered, believe me and had literally come to the end of the road; better she thought to simply live the life at home. She used to say how the sense of calling in that last while ( after her declaration!) before it came right was so strong that she would have to lean against a tree or the wall to stay conscious and upright. It was beyond reason
 
It is OK; my sole aim was to console the OP

Leonie was of course in a very different generation; these days it is much harder to enter religious life for so many reasons.In former times for example. women who were widows could live in a convent as “votaries”

My friend had persevered, believe me and had literally come to the end of the road; better she thought to simply live the life at home. She used to say how the sense of calling in that last while ( after her declaration!) before it came right was so strong that she would have to lean against a tree or the wall to stay conscious and upright. It was beyond reason
And I was only going an what I would feel if someone told me to give up - which has happened - but instead of consoling me- it actually caused me great pain.

Sometimes a person just needs a ‘pep talk’ to help them get inspired again. But it isn’t an easy path for an older person today, so each person has to make their own peace with their decision.

In the case of your friend, it sounds like she came to terms with her choice and felt a sense of peace. So it was the right thing for her.

After all, God isn’t forcing us to do anything - He only wants us to love Him.
 
And I was only going an what I would feel if someone told me to give up - which has happened - but instead of consoling me- it actually caused me great pain.

Sometimes a person just needs a ‘pep talk’ to help them get inspired again. But it isn’t an easy path for an older person today, so each person has to make their own peace with their decision.

In the case of your friend, it sounds like she came to terms with her choice and felt a sense of peace. So it was the right thing for her.

After all, God isn’t forcing us to do anything - He only wants us to love Him.
I think you misunderstood; she is a fully professed nun in an Order. Unexpected and clearly the work of God, breathtaking

it seems that often God can only take us forward when we let go. When we fully accept the situation we are in .

God has a way of living for each of us, a vocation, as love is not some vague emotion, not relying on inspiration but a total giving how and where we are. Not waiting for something or someone to accept us.
 
I think you misunderstood; she is a fully professed nun in an Order. Unexpected and clearly the work of God, breathtaking

it seems that often God can only take us forward when we let go. When we fully accept the situation we are in .

God has a way of living for each of us, a vocation, as love is not some vague emotion, not relying on inspiration but a total giving how and where we are. Not waiting for something or someone to accept us.
I did misunderstand and thought that she had given up trying to become a religious - perhaps I was in too much of a hurry when I read it the first time.

That being said, I don’t really understand the last paragraph but once again perhaps I am misunderstanding. It seems to be saying that God lives for us instead of the fact that He gave each one of us free will to live for ourselves. That is what makes it possible for us to choose to love him and to choose to answer what we think is a call from Him to live religious life. I also don’t see where I said that love is a vague emotion or that I was waiting for someone or something to accept me. That seems to be some kind of projection since it’s not how I think or feel.
 
The sisters of ST Benedict were not exactly rude but theri answer was kind of “are you kidding” - I threw away the answer but I remember it ended in an exclamation point- maybe “of course not!” when I asked about age. I was so hurt I stopped going to their website altogether and now ignore them completely. Sorry, I’m not made of steel. I know they have a convent of older women but I was finally told that that is more or less the “retirement home” side of the thing - plus I guess if you are a local and they know you…the Carmel one is “hidden” and probably cloistered adn age lmit of 37. “Consideing belated vocatuions” usually means around 50 or so. - almost Never past 60.

Look, you know, maybe this is best. I dont; know how, but maybe.
I’m still not giving up on you! I am a master of research and I know of several communities that accept older vocations:

Eudist Servants of the Eleventh Hour (stated age limit is 65 but they will accept older)

Corpus Christi Carmelites (no age limit, but they do request that you have education)

Olivetan Benedictines (no age limit)

Sisters of Charity of Our Lady Mother of the Church (no age limit)

Carmelite Sisters of St. Therese (no age limit; an older community)

Benedictines of Grace and Compassion (no age limit)

Mater Ecclesiae Convent
(for women 40-65)

Visitation of Snellville, GA (no age limit)

Carmelites of Erie, PA (no age limit)
 
Thank you … we shall see.

Eudist sisters seem slightly disorganized - no response after several emails and snail mails and I think an attempted phone call, some time ago.

also some of those listed are cloistered, which I cannot do, and all of them are Novus Ordo (ordinary modern mass) which I have proved will not work for me. So you see, at least I know what will NOT work. but how nice of you to send all that information out.

I appreciate your caring. I did call and email the All Saints Sisters of the Poor and have not heard from them but i am not holding my breath, even for a visit. Though I feel good qbout what they do, and their mass is Anglican Rite and Extraordinary.teh Anglican rite is very similar to extraordinary.

Oh - .Daughers of mary mother of israel’s hope - they will consider older, but at the time i called/wrote the annulments have to be finalized totally. Plus, Modern mass. My annulments are now at the judging phase, that is almost done. After looking at Mother Miriam’s postulants, I am not going to try again- they look really young. Plus…modern Ordinary mass.

Let me tell you annulments are painful adn expensive. I would rather have root canals. I am not kidding.

Sisters of Cure of ARs, (Maine) will take older than 65. (modern ordinary (novus ordo) mass)
One more group in Maine — . .(?) also MOdern mass. Fransiscans?
I know I sound picky and cross. I’m trying to just get over it. Yet I keep looking. Obsessive.
 
Thank you … we shall see.

Eudist sisters seem slightly disorganized - no response after several emails and snail mails and I think an attempted phone call, some time ago.

also some of those listed are cloistered, which I cannot do, and all of them are Novus Ordo (ordinary modern mass) which I have proved will not work for me. So you see, at least I know what will NOT work. but how nice of you to send all that information out.

I appreciate your caring. I did call and email the All Saints Sisters of the Poor and have not heard from them but i am not holding my breath, even for a visit. Though I feel good qbout what they do, and their mass is Anglican Rite and Extraordinary.teh Anglican rite is very similar to extraordinary.

Oh - .Daughers of mary mother of israel’s hope - they will consider older, but at the time i called/wrote the annulments have to be finalized totally. Plus, Modern mass. My annulments are now at the judging phase, that is almost done. After looking at Mother Miriam’s postulants, I am not going to try again- they look really young. Plus…modern Ordinary mass.

Let me tell you annulments are painful adn expensive. I would rather have root canals. I am not kidding.

Sisters of Cure of ARs, (Maine) will take older than 65. (modern ordinary (novus ordo) mass)
One more group in Maine — . .(?) also MOdern mass. Fransiscans?
I know I sound picky and cross. I’m trying to just get over it. Yet I keep looking. Obsessive.
Well, I wish it would have worked out. Sometimes, compromise is necessary. With more and more orders growing older, they need new members who are able to carry on with minimal problems. Perhaps you should consider looking into Third Orders or Secular Orders such as the Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc. This is a good way to live the spirituality but not in a convent. I understand that might be a compromise but it will also allow you to do the apostolate that you believe God is calling you to in your home Church without being tied down to a community apostolate. Just a thought. 😉
 
Well I called AllSaintSisters of teh Poor.

A very nice nun called me back a few days later and we had a nice conversation.’
Just FYI they do not have teh Tridentine mass. They have the Novus Ordo mass, though some of the liturgical things ar slightly different. They were just recieved as CAtholic from Episcopal fairly recently. I’m not expert enough to comment on their mass or daily office, so best to call them if that is your interest.

the nun I spoke to was freindly. As usual, my age, 67, was almost cause for laughter, but she did not laugh at me. However, their limit is much lower than 67 - but over 35- maybe in the 50s, tho, they are open to individual consideration. You wold need to ask themn on an individual basis what it is. She did comment that their community seems to attract women over 18, with some world experience. My children were not an issue, and since my divorces are almost annuled, that too is not a problem. I will nto attempt to discern wtih them though I am considering a retreat.

As for me, by this weekend I was more willing to accept that in the modern world, my age is THE factor that keeps my vocation directed elsewhere. I have spent 7- 8 years on this journey, and I am tired. The expense of annulments, the expense of travel, taking time off from work, that disastrous (and also expensive) foray iun 2007 where I ended up in the wrong place totally, the cruel remarks,. the dismissive remarks; the misleading; dashed hopes, I’m done.

God has other plans for me. But I had to go through this.
 
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