Omitting Gloria Patri in Rosary during Passiontide

[LiturgyGuy]

Amen.

So you’re going against the Tridentine Mass?

 

[twf]

I’m not sure why everyone is giving the OP such a hard time. The rosary is a private devotion and is not governed by formal rubrics. If the OP wishes to harmonize his rosary devotion with the spirit of liturgical season, what’s the harm? I myself pray the mysteries in alignment with the liturgical seaons… During Lent I strictly pray the sorrowful mysteries. During Christmastide I strictly pray the joyful mysteries. During Eastertide I strictly pray the glorious mysteries. On feasts I choose the most appropriate mysteries- joyful for the feast of the Annunciation for example. It seems appropriate to me. During ordinary time if there is no major feast I follow the regular weekly rosary cycle.

 

[LiturgyGuy]

I’m not sure why everyone is giving the OP such a hard time. The rosary is a private devotion and is not governed by formal rubrics. If the OP wishes to harmonize his rosary devotion with the spirit of liturgical season, what’s the harm? I myself pray the mysteries in alignment with the liturgical seaons… During Lent I strictly pray the sorrowful mysteries. During Christmastide I strictly pray the joyful mysteries. During Eastertide I strictly pray the glorious mysteries. On feasts I choose the most appropriate mysteries- joyful for the feast of the Annunciation for example. It seems appropriate to me. During ordinary time if there is no major feast I follow the regular weekly rosary cycle.

Yes, exactly. Not only that I wish to harmonize it with the liturgy, but I’m thinking that’s what’s expected.

 

[dshix]

I’m not sure why everyone is giving the OP such a hard time. The rosary is a private devotion and is not governed by formal rubrics. If the OP wishes to harmonize his rosary devotion with the spirit of liturgical season, what’s the harm? I myself pray the mysteries in alignment with the liturgical seaons… During Lent I strictly pray the sorrowful mysteries. During Christmastide I strictly pray the joyful mysteries. During Eastertide I strictly pray the glorious mysteries. On feasts I choose the most appropriate mysteries- joyful for the feast of the Annunciation for example. It seems appropriate to me. During ordinary time if there is no major feast I follow the regular weekly rosary cycle.

I suppose there’s no harm other than choosing to do a prayer in a way it was not intended by the Church.

If I decided to say the rosary substituting 8 Hail Mary’s in each “decade” instead of 10, I wouldn’t be sinning, but I certainly wouldn’t be saying the rosary in the spirit of unity with the rest of the Church which says the rosary with 10 Hail Mary’s.

Since the OP made this thread with an inference that it is the custom of the Traditional Latin Mass to omit the “Glory Be” during the rosary, which is not true (I go to an FSSP parish myself), I felt it not unreasonable to make the case that this inference is not in fact, the case.

If that was not actually an inference which the OP intended to convey, that’s fine. It seemed to me that that was the case, though.

 

[GoGoDiego]

It is a para liturgy.

It is a mere devotion. But a very powerful one.

 

[Gertabelle]

Traditionally, the Glory Be is omitted in the Mass during Passiontide, so why not the Rosary?

Am I missing something? When do we pray the Glory Be during mass? Are you confusing the Gloria with the Glory Be?

 

[dshix]

Am I missing something? When do we pray the Glory Be during mass? Are you confusing the Gloria with the Glory Be?

In the Extraordinary form of the Latin Mass, the “Gloria Patri” can be said or sung as a verse for the “Introit”, “Communion”, or “Asperges Me”. During Passiontide it is omitted.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

Traditionally, the Glory Be is omitted in the Mass during Passiontide, so why not the Rosary?

I seems to have been established that this is true only for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, and at that, not necessarily as that form is celebrated by everyone. Traditionally, statues and the cross are veiled during the last two weeks before Easter; to be consistent, do you cover the cross on your rosary to be consistent with Mass practice?

 

[LiturgyGuy]

I seems to have been established that this is true only for the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, and at that, not necessarily as that form is celebrated by everyone. Traditionally, statues and the cross are veiled during the last two weeks before Easter; to be consistent, do you cover the cross on your rosary to be consistent with Mass practice?

Now you’re just twisting things. That’s for big crucifixes. It’s true for the EF, as well as the Anglican Use. Just because OF, don’t do it doesn’t mean I should. If it helps, I’m praying an Anglican Use rosary, not an OF rosary.

 

[jmjZelie]

I’m not sure why everyone is giving the OP such a hard time. The rosary is a private devotion and is not governed by formal rubrics. If the OP wishes to harmonize his rosary devotion with the spirit of liturgical season, what’s the harm? I myself pray the mysteries in alignment with the liturgical seaons… During Lent I strictly pray the sorrowful mysteries. During Christmastide I strictly pray the joyful mysteries. During Eastertide I strictly pray the glorious mysteries. On feasts I choose the most appropriate mysteries- joyful for the feast of the Annunciation for example. It seems appropriate to me. During ordinary time if there is no major feast I follow the regular weekly rosary cycle.

This is how we do it in our family too.

Numerous Rosary devotional books that we have describe aligning the sets of mysteries to the seasons. I have never heard of omitting the Glory be prayer though. I wouldn’t be able to do that personally. I would never remember, for one, and for two, it would make it hard to keep my focus upon the mysteries because the rhythm of the Rosary would be different. But that is just me.

 

[dshix]

Now you’re just twisting things. That’s for big crucifixes. It’s true for the EF, as well as the Anglican Use. Just because OF, don’t do it doesn’t mean I should. If it helps, I’m praying an Anglican Use rosary, not an OF rosary.

I don’t think it’s twisting. If you stretch rules that apply in the liturgy to apply to the rosary, why not say that all of them should be applied?

 

[Gertabelle]

In the Extraordinary form of the Latin Mass, the “Gloria Patri” can be said or sung as a verse for the “Introit”, “Communion”, or “Asperges Me”. During Passiontide it is omitted.

Thanks!

I was in a Benedictine monastery for just over two years, and I don’t recall omitting the Gloria Patri at any time of the year, neither for the Divine Office, nor for the mass (at which we sang the antiphons, if I recall correctly, in Latin on Sundays). Well, that was a monastery, using the ordinary form of the mass, about a million years ago, and following Benedictine traditions (a la Solesmes).

Nowadays, at the mass at which I play the organ, one or two of us always sings the Simple English Proper (antiphon) at the beginning of communion every Sunday. Since it is the ordinary form of the mass (in English) we had no idea there was a custom to exclude the Gloria Patri. This is useful information for Palm Sunday at least.

Thanks again!

 

[The_Apostolate]

When I say the Rosary, I don,t Omitted the Gloria, just because it,s lent, also because it,s the part after Jesus Death ,that on Easter Sunday ,we say the Gloria Mysteries .

 

[dshix]

Thanks!

I was in a Benedictine monastery for just over two years, and I don’t recall omitting the Gloria Patri at any time of the year, neither for the Divine Office, nor for the mass (at which we sang the antiphons, if I recall correctly, in Latin on Sundays). Well, that was a monastery, using the ordinary form of the mass, about a million years ago, and following Benedictine traditions (a la Solesmes).

Nowadays, at the mass at which I play the organ, one or two of us always sings the Simple English Proper (antiphon) at the beginning of communion every Sunday. Since it is the ordinary form of the mass (in English) we had no idea there was a custom to exclude the Gloria Patri. This is useful information for Palm Sunday at least.

Thanks again!

I’m very glad to be of assistance.

 

[otjm]

youtu.be/rh7YK3Ls2ng

The above video states the connection between the Rosary and the Mass. That is why it must be consistent. And why is it not an obvious inconsistency?

There is no “must” to it at all.

The rosary is a private devotion. Private. as in, it is not part of any liturgy of the Church.

The Church does not dictate how the rosary is said.

Popes have made recommendations, but they are just that - a recommendation. Not a rule. Not an “authorized” practice.

If keeping the Glory be… fits your spirituality, then keep it in.

If eliminating it fits, then by all means, eliminate it.

There are a bunch or people out there, most of them presumably well meaning, who have a whole lot of opinions; and those opinions are like halitosis; we all get it from time to time, and some have it all the time.

The rosary is a means of prayer. It is the most popular one world wide; but ultimately it is a prayer, and a private devotion. If one never says it, there is no error or sin. If one says 5 decades at a time, that is fine; so is only one decade if that is all that time permits. So is 15 decades, or 20 decades. The objective is not to obsess over how it is said, but rather to say it.

 

[ProVobis]

Is it acceptable to omit the Gloria Patri’s in the Rosary during Passiontide, as is the practice in the 1962 Missal?

Not true. Check the Blessing of the Palms in the 62 Missal.

What has been taken out is Psalm 42, though it becomes the Introit on Passion Sunday.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Is it acceptable to omit the Gloria Patri’s in the Rosary during Passiontide, as is the practice in the 1962 Missal?

It’s actually an alien concept to me to omit the Gloria Patri at the end of the decades of the rosary in Passiontide. Seemingly, the Gloria Patri was added in the centuries after the rise of the Dominican rosary. It is not said at all, traditionally, with the Franciscan Crown or the Servite Chaplet. As a private devotion, you could. If you were trying to recite the rosary with a group and omitted it, it would surely cause confusion.

One thing we did do back then was, when we gathered to recite the rosary in the presence of a deceased person, we would replace the Gloria Patri with the prayer “Eternal rest grant unto…” That’s the closest thing I remember to what you are asking.

 

[OraLabora]

Thanks!

I was in a Benedictine monastery for just over two years, and I don’t recall omitting the Gloria Patri at any time of the year, neither for the Divine Office, nor for the mass (at which we sang the antiphons, if I recall correctly, in Latin on Sundays). Well, that was a monastery, using the ordinary form of the mass, about a million years ago, and following Benedictine traditions (a la Solesmes).

Nowadays, at the mass at which I play the organ, one or two of us always sings the Simple English Proper (antiphon) at the beginning of communion every Sunday. Since it is the ordinary form of the mass (in English) we had no idea there was a custom to exclude the Gloria Patri. This is useful information for Palm Sunday at least.

Thanks again!

I don’t recall the Gloria Patri being omitted in the monastic Office, but what I do know, from the current (and Ordinary Form) monastic antiphonary, of which I have a copy in front of me, is that at the Triduum the opening verse (Lord come to my assistance…), hymn and concluding rites are omitted. The Office opens with the first antiphon of the psalmody and ends after the collect. And the responsory is omitted and replaced with the gradual Christus factus est.

For the Ordinary Form Mass in Gregorian chant the Gloria Patri verse is optional. Our abbey uses the Latin Gregorian propers every day but has always omitted the Gloria Patri verse; the Gloria Patri verses for all the psalm tones are given in an appendix to the Graduale Romanum for those who want to use them.

Our abbey is of the Solesmes Congregation, so they take liturgy pretty seriously.

 

[rose_kelly]

There is no “must” to it at all.

The rosary is a private devotion. Private. as in, it is not part of any liturgy of the Church.

The Church does not dictate how the rosary is said.

Popes have made recommendations, but they are just that - a recommendation. Not a rule. Not an “authorized” practice.

If keeping the Glory be… fits your spirituality, then keep it in.

If eliminating it fits, then by all means, eliminate it.

There are a bunch or people out there, most of them presumably well meaning, who have a whole lot of opinions; and those opinions are like halitosis; we all get it from time to time, and some have it all the time.

The rosary is a means of prayer. It is the most popular one world wide; but ultimately it is a prayer, and a private devotion. If one never says it, there is no error or sin. If one says 5 decades at a time, that is fine; so is only one decade if that is all that time permits. So is 15 decades, or 20 decades. The objective is not to obsess over how it is said, but rather to say it..

If I was to obsess about how I was saying it, I would be saying it a lot less.

 

[Mark121359]

I don’t know. It’s such a beautiful prayer.
God favors prayers well prayed. Not prayers omitted, imho.
God bless you and keep you.

Therefore, God does not favor the Tridentine Mass?

I’m not sure why you would want to.
Christ is gloriously risen…and we know it.
To God be all the glory. Regardless of what the date is.
:twocents:

Amen.

So you’re going against the Tridentine Mass?

*** Say Whaaaat?!!***

Peace, Mark