On agnosticism (Calling Atheists and Agnostics)

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Fran65 said:
This is the explanation for the Virgin birth and the Resurrection. Those two things, never reported before or since in the life of any other individual on this planet, are the signature of God that indicates that Jesus is indeed His only Son. Jesus, for His part, behaved, spoke, lived and died just as one would expect the Son of God to.
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Reports about virgin births and resurrections are very common throughout history. Some examples:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_birth_%28mythology%29
 
****Your ***initial ***statement was “Yes” in answer to my question: “Or do you reject the teaching of Jesus as nonsensical?” Do you retract that statement? ****

I already have

*** What enables us to to decide for ourselves?*

I’m not sure what you mean, who else could possibly decide?

Does that make it right?

Depends on the circumstances.
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You are obviously not aware that Christianity is not based on the Old but theNew** Testament.**

Ah right then then we can forget the 10 commandments? No more thou shat not kill???

Can you explain your origins? Why is it a non-answer? Do you have an alternative answer?

“god did it” is the exact same as “i don’t know”. How did god do it?

Neither physics nor chemistry explain why molecules combined in one particular way to form life out of billions of possibilities…

Actually chemisty does.
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You still have not explained how variation occurred prior to** random mutations.

What variation?

If there is a conflict between those factors which do you put first?

Depends on the circumstances

How does belonging to a social species give you the power to choose whether to do what is right or wrong?

Well what is right and wrong?**
 
You’ve given that type of answer before - because that’s how those atoms and molecules behave. Its not an explanation, it is a description.

:confused: No its an explanation, it explain why elements form the molecules they do.

Come on now. You don’t need to be rude!

Actually alot of creationists don’t know what a mutation is. Alot think it has to do with form, like a 6th finger of 3 legs. X-men stuff.
 
Hi CD,

With respect, Catholics are not necessarily ‘creationists’. That term is associated with the belief that Genesis is literally true. As you will know from your previous discussions on this site, many Catholics do not have a problem reconciling evolution with their faith.

Cerad,

The webpage that you have cited is about mythological virgin births. I was referring to reported virgin births of a real person.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
****Your *****initial ***statement was “Yes” in answer to my question: “Or do you reject the teaching of Jesus as nonsensical?” Do you retract that statement? **I already have.
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So you accept His teaching? If not please explain what you don’t accept.
What enables us to to decide for ourselves?*
I’m not sure what you mean, who else could possibly decide?
All events in the brain have physical causes. If our decisions are caused by events in the brain how can we cause our decisions? **
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Does that make it right?
Depends on the circumstances.
Which circumstances make it right for states to execute prisoners?

Ah right then then we can forget the 10 commandments? No more thou shat not kill???
“based on” does not mean “completely replaced”.
You are obviously not aware that Christianity is not based on the Old but theNew** Testament.**

Can you explain your origins? Why is it a non-answer? Do you have an alternative answer?
“god did it” is the exact same as “i don’t know”.
Why is “God did it” is the exact same as “i don’t know”? ****Do you have an alternative answer? ********Can you explain your origins? Do you believe physical energy can explain everything?

**Neither physics nor chemistry explain why molecules combined in one particular way to form life out of billions of possibilities…
Actually chemistry does.
How does chemistry explain why molecules combined in one particular way to form life out of billions of possibilities?
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You still have not explained how variation occurred prior to random mutations.
What variation?
The variations in living organisms. Selection presupposes variety.

Depends on the circumstances.
Which do you usually put first? Empathy, making the most of your life or morality?
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How does belonging to a social species give you the*** power to** choose*** whether to do what is right or wrong?**
Well what is right and wrong?
Right=To respect a person’s rights. Wrong=not to respect a person’s rights.
How does belonging to a social species give you the* power to *choose whether to do what is right or wrong?
 
Fran65 said:
Hi CD,

With respect, Catholics are not necessarily ‘creationists’. That term is associated with the belief that Genesis is literally true. As you will know from your previous discussions on this site, many Catholics do not have a problem reconciling evolution with their faith.
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Of couse but the person in question is.
 
Ah right then then we can forget the 10 commandments? No more thou shat not kill???
“based on” does not mean “completely replaced”.
You are obviously not aware that Christianity is not based on the Old but theNew** Testament.****

Ah so you pick an choose. So much for moral absolutes…

Anyway like i said to my waffle from both of us. Pick one subject, your choice.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Ah right then then we can forget the 10 commandments? No more thou shat not kill???
“based on” does not mean “completely replaced”.
You are obviously not aware that Christianity is not based on the Old but theNew** Testament.**

Ah so you pick an choose. So much for moral absolutes…

Anyway like i said to my waffle from both of us. Pick one subject, your choice.
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Catholicism is based on the OT and the NT.

The unity of the Old and New Testaments
[128](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/128.htm’)😉 The Church, as early as apostolic times,104 and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God’s works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.
[129](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/129.htm’)😉 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself.105 Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.106 As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.107
130 Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfillment of the divine plan when "God [will] be everything to everyone."108 Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God’s plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.
 
buffalo said:
Catholicism is based on the OT and the NT.

The unity of the Old and New Testaments
[128](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/128.htm’)😉 The Church, as early as apostolic times,104 and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God’s works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.
[129](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/129.htm’)😉 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself.105 Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.106 As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.107
130 Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfillment of the divine plan when "God [will] be everything to everyone."108 Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God’s plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.
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Then take it up with him, he is the one dismissing the old part of your book.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Then take it up with him, he is the one dismissing the old part of your book.
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Just so you understand.

“Most people don’t hate what the Catholic Church teaches… they hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches.” Bishop Sheen
 
buffalo said:
Just so you understand.

“Most people don’t hate what the Catholic Church teaches… they hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches.” Bishop Sheen
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What a good quote! In fact, many psychologists describe the ego as the projection of one’s self on others in order to hate/harm them.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Ah right then then we can forget the 10 commandments? No more thou shat not kill???
“based on” does not mean “completely replaced”.
You are obviously not aware that Christianity is not based on the Old but theNew** Testament.**
Ah so you pick an choose. So much for moral absolutes…
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“Think not that I have come to destroy the Law of the prophets: I have come not to destroy but to fulfill the Law.”
 
tonyrey said:
“Think not that I have come to destroy the Law of the prophets: I have come not to destroy but to fulfill the Law.”
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So why do you dismiss the part about stoning kids?

So where does he tell you to dismiss that part of the old testament?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
So why do you dismiss the part about stoning kids?
So where does he tell you to dismiss that part of the Old Testament?
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There is no doubt that although Jesus accepted the basic teaching of the Old Testament He rejected its primitive notions of God, violence and revenge:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for [God] makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
cheek also."
 
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