You take the “WAFER” at communion and you pass on the WINE because it tastes bad??? And you are more enlightened than I???
You will never convince me you are Catholic, or understand the teachings of the Church and scripture and call my Lord a wafer!!!
If you want grape juice go to the local Baptist Church, they will bring you in for juice. Then you can stand in front of the congregation and get saved, because everybody knows those Catholics are not saved, oh wait I am baptized.
Who are to think you are so much more intelligent than us simpletons who only know the Catholic view. In another thread you argued the point that the Church is wrong to not allow non Catholics to receive “if they are called”. This is my challenge to you, Cmatt, you need to refrain from receiving until you properly discern the body and blood of Jesus, because you have missed the boat.
You have no idea what the Church teaches about the Eucharist, nor do you believe truth. If you would you wouldn’t call Jesus a WAFER!!!
Cmatt-
“Anyway, because I have the capacity to understand both beliefs, a literal physical RP and a symbolic and spiritual presence, let me try to explain the non literal view to my fellow Catholics since we Catholics already understand the Catholic view.”
Lapey-
You have some serious confidence issues; your ego gets in the way of the truth. What are the Catholic views Cmatt???
Cmatt-
“Jn 6 they may take to be symbolic because Christ is talking alot about believing in Him. Eat, chew, knaw, all of that symbolic for “eat”. Chew on this. Knaw at it. Really really believe in it. It being Christ came down from heaven to sacrifice His life on the cross for us all. Those walking away walked away from that belief. The belief of Jesus being sent from heaven to save us all. In Jn 6:63 Christ says what gives life is God’s Spirit. And hopefully God’s spirit is with us all as we celebrate.”
Lapey-
Sorry sir, this is post reformation, post martin Luther rewrite of scripture. The words used in scripture are definitely not meaning what you assert here. Put this verse in context and in it’s entirety, “It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.”
The simple meaning of this verse is that the flesh, our humanness, cannot understand. One must look at these teachings in the light of the spirit, scripture. From your interpretation you would have walked away too. Look at the precursor to John 6, Exodus 12. The Passover is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is so much more He wants for you and you block Him out, because of your humanity. You need to look at scripture in its entirety in context and in the Spirit, not in your human weakness.
I have discussed with you Cmatt on several occasions, you keep telling me I misread you saying you don’t understand. You refute me because you say that you do, but you are a Catholic with no foundation, otherwise you would not refer to the Eucharist in the manner in which you do, disrespectful to the Lord and the Church.
Cmatt
“So anyway no need for my fellow Catholics to come bashing me. In the spirit of the forum we are on and the thread, I post only in hope this helps us to understand each other better. Catholics understanding other beliefs and visa versa. It’s all a matter of faith, interpretation, and belief for all. And in unity with all who believe in what He did for us on the cross, I pray may His Peace shine upon us all”
Lapey-
How is it that you posting disbelief will somehow bring us together? Then you cry when we call you down for speaking ignorance of the faith. Truth doesn’t change; it is not a matter of interpretation inside the Church. The truth has been there since the very beginning, one only needs to discern the truth and accept it or move on to his style of Christianity. Catholicism is obviously not your cup of tea. On the other hand, if you mean what you say, you would learn what your Church really does say and teach and become a fruitful member, and not a detractor. As I told you in another thread, your words have meaning!
Cmatt-
“And some people do have trouble with the idea of eating flesh and blood even with the Catholic teaching of glorified flesh and blood.”
Lapey-
This is a very true statement!!! Those who left in the bible are those who leave today. “…many of His disciples said, ‘This saying is hard; who can accept it?’ Since Jesus knew that the disciples were murmuring about this, He said to them, ‘Does this shock you?’”
Well Cmatt, does this shock you? Do you find this saying hard to accept? Will you also leave?
There must be something in the water. I’m finding more ignorance from Catholics than usual on a number of threads. As John Paul, II said “The greatest threat to Christianity is Christians”. Watering down truth to appease others does no one any good.