On limiting population growth thru contraception

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What a novel idea. Africa feeds it own people instead of relying on industrialized countries. .
It can already, if it just had proper governments.

I regularly go on mission trips to Tanzania. Tanzania is a net exporter of food. In the places I was at, food was not a problem, even with manual farming methods.

But Tanzania has a stable, (mostly) democratic government with a free press.

But when warlords are in charge, there is no political pressure to ensure that food grown in one region makes it to consumers in another.
 
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BBC had a great news special on Africa and its agriculture. If Africa can get to 80% efficiency in agriculture as compared to the industrialized countries it can feed the world.
Of course. But some here don’t understand our built-in creativity and are unable to appreciate the enormous advances of great men like Norman Borlaug who actually lived among Africans and showed them how to benefit from his genetically modified green revolution.

Awaiting the replacement of graft and corruption, of tribal animosities and of dictatorships – of the flowering of real Catholicism – and the growth of free enterprise, there is enormous potential. Nuclear energy could also transform the potential along with other fuels.

Europe and the U.S.A. seem to have much to relearn re free enterprise, prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance – all submerged under relativism, secularism and loss of faith and reason.
 
Volcanoes are not forever. And drilling into the ones hottest enough to be useful could also be dangerous.
There will always be volcanos somewhere. And you only need to drill into hot rock, although drilling into magma is no problem, it will cool and plug itself when you pump water down. Not so long ago nuclear power plants in Britain had to be subsidised which is ridiculous if you are looking for cheap power. Volcanoes are very safe, just put your power plant turbines beside one and your power lines can go hundreds of miles from the volcano if you like.
 
The argument begins with

“Hydrogen is not an energy source.”🙂

No, because hydrogen is not an energy source.🙂

This breakthrough will require something like what Q suggested on Star Trek, when he suggested simply changing the gravitational constant of the universe.

A non-energy source is not a substitute for a cheaply available fossil fuel that obtained it potential energy over millions of years.
Never forget a science class I had my first year in college. The instructor demonstrated the explosive power of gasoline mixed with air. The tinest bit keep a fairly large motor going for an hour.
 
People who think the earth is running out of space are the equivalent of those who think the moon is made of cheese or that Elvis is alive! 😃
The whole of mankind could stand on a flat surface the size of the Isle of Man.
 
the entire US population could fit in NH at a brooklyn based density.

the entire World population could fit in Texas at the same density.

it’s not that there’s too many people, its that God’s creation has been monopolized

and now they want us to think there’s too many of each other
 
The problem that I foresee is unemployment if machines replace human workers.
May want to google the term “Luddite”.

While the term is often used as an insult, that is not my intent, but rather a reference to the term in the context of your comment and the history of indistrialization.

The Luddites had the same fear as you, and acted on it, often violently. They were ultimately proved wrong by history.

-Tim-
 
If Africa can get to 80% efficiency in agriculture as compared to the industrialized countries it can feed the world.
All they need to do to get that efficiency use the same huge, nonrenewable energy (name removed by moderator)uts that the industrialized countries use.
 
There will always be volcanos somewhere. And you only need to drill into hot rock, although drilling into magma is no problem, it will cool and plug itself when you pump water down. Not so long ago nuclear power plants in Britain had to be subsidised which is ridiculous if you are looking for cheap power. Volcanoes are very safe, just put your power plant turbines beside one and your power lines can go hundreds of miles from the volcano if you like.
In my universe volcanoes are not that safe, and they are not a reliable source of indefinite power.
 
In my universe volcanoes are not that safe, and they are not a reliable source of indefinite power.
Don’t worry there will aways be volcanoes. I was even thinking of a safer volcanic option for you. As the continental plates are constantly pushing the ever expanding ocean floor beneath them we have many deep ocean floor volcanic vents. Its very simple. Just drop a turbine onto a vent and watch the rising hot water turn the blades and generate electricity. In 1907 Marconi had a continuous copper cable laid right across the Atlantic Ocean from the west coast of Ireland to Nova Scotia in North America; think of the cables you could lay in 2011, they would be just as good or much better than those laid across the Atlantic Ocean 100 years ago!
 
Don’t worry there will aways be volcanoes. I was even thinking of a safer volcanic option for you. As the continental plates are constantly pushing the ever expanding ocean floor beneath them we have many deep ocean floor volcanic vents. Its very simple. Just drop a turbine onto a vent and watch the rising hot water turn the blades and generate electricity. In 1907 Marconi had a continuous copper cable laid right across the Atlantic Ocean from the west coast of Ireland to Nova Scotia in North America; think of the cables you could lay in 2011, they would be just as good or much better than those laid across the Atlantic Ocean 100 years ago!
Two problems: (1) voltage drop, (2) peak copper – there is not an infinite supply of copper, and we are well on our way to exhausting that resource (as well as oil)
 
Two problems: (1) voltage drop, (2) peak copper – there is not an infinite supply of copper, and we are well on our way to exhausting that resource (as well as oil)
I just had a quick look on the interweb at volcanoes from an energy perspective; look
 
May want to google the term “Luddite”.

While the term is often used as an insult, that is not my intent, but rather a reference to the term in the context of your comment and the history of indistrialization.

The Luddites had the same fear as you, and acted on it, often violently. They were ultimately proved wrong by history.

-Tim-
Are you sure? It is a fact that it takes far fewer people to maintain a machine than the number of people whose productivity it replaces. :rolleyes:
 
The real question is how many humans can the world financially and economically sustain with jobs, a satisfactory standard of living, healthcare, etc…

**Right now we are not able to employ the people already here. ** This is a HUGE problem, and not one I find addressed. Where are people going to work? Where are they going to get money?

Who cares how many we can keep barely fed if it’s in squalid, impoverished, conditions?
 
The real question is how many humans can the world financially and economically sustain with jobs, a satisfactory standard of living, healthcare, etc…

**Right now we are not able to employ the people already here. ** This is a HUGE problem, and not one I find addressed. Where are people going to work? Where are they going to get money?

Who cares how many we can keep barely fed if it’s in squalid, impoverished, conditions?
Population growth needs to be around 3% per year. This provides growing economies, jobs and the ability to support the elderly. The declining size of families is the issue. Abortion alone in the US has caused the loss of 30 trillion dollars of economic opportunity.
 
Population growth needs to be around 3% per year. This provides growing economies, jobs and the ability to support the elderly.
Tell that to the Irish. Since the Irish population declined substantially for over a century, according the Populists, their situation should be the equivalent of the Apocalypse. Yet I can’t seem to find and evidence of the elderly being thrown out on the streets.
Abortion alone in the US has caused the loss of 30 trillion dollars of economic opportunity.
While I don’t support abortion, I don’t support made-up statistics either. For example, we could calculate how many total hours people spent on this forum and how their not working has caused millions of dollars worth of economic loss. It’s not relevant.
 
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