On Sept. 11 anniversary, appeals to remember as time passes

[Joko2599]

It has been 14 years since that tragic day. As each generation passes, so too do we naturally forget what people felt. The same thing goes for Pearl Harbor and various other events in U.S. history.

However, I don’t think we have let the event wither away from our minds in vain. Many of my friends have offered prayers and condolences for the families of the victims. My history teacher held a discussion about the events in class. And what I found most astonishing is how charitable people were. The Red Cross Group I lead at school organized a short notice donation drive for American Veterans, with an emphasis on their service since 9/11. We raised 500 dollars in five minutes. The fact that we did those shows that our fellow citizens still care and would never let a brother in God suffer alone.

 

[TaurusRex]

It is terrible what happened on 9-11, I feel for all those who lost close friends and family, but from what Ive seen and read, Im still a bit skeptical on who is actually responsible. There are just way too many ‘interesting’ things that occurred the day before, the day of, and right after, that make me wonder. If it was just one or two, I could see that, but with this, there are SO many, it just cannot be coincidence.

On a recent fox news show a female guest was requesting to see secret files on the 9/11 attack upon which files speculations of conspiracy have been suggested in multiple directions with one of the latest now trying to tie Iran and Hezbollah together with al Qaeda as the culprits with those of us knowing the former two to be Shiite and the latter to be Sunni shaking our heads and thinking the forces that be are using their strings to tie new relationships now.

Some of my readings have revealed to me that our government, judiciary, politics, media, banking and economy are controlled to extremes by special interest groups so that those “secret files” imho can say anything those groups want them to say;
And make no mistake I’ve “seen and read” some other “interesting” opinions about 9/11 as well;

However, I’ll just keep shaking my head for now while hoping the truth will be revealed …
maybe Hilary should demand to see those files.

rex

 

[Beryllos]

conspiracy theories…

 

[Abba]

conspiracy theories…

Cliché.

What if it is not a conspiracy theory and it is the truth? Then what cat, then what? (Doctor Seuss).

 

[Beryllos]

Cliché.

What if it is not a conspiracy theory and it is the truth? Then what cat, then what? (Doctor Seuss).

“Oh dear!” said the Cat,
“You did not like our game…
Oh dear. What a shame!
What a shame! What a shame!”

 

[pianistclare]

“Oh dear!” said the Cat,
“You did not like our game…
Oh dear. What a shame!
What a shame! What a shame!”

OK, since we’ve established that y’all have been into the sacristy wine cabinet…

 

[zz912]

Cliché.

What if it is not a conspiracy theory and it is the truth? Then what cat, then what? (Doctor Seuss).

Some militant Muslim men hijacked four planes and crashed them into three buildings and the fourth crashed in a PA field. It happened on live tv. Even watching the events from hundreds of cameras and video, live as it happened, people still cling to some secret conspiracy.

 

[Abba]

Some militant Muslim men hijacked four planes and crashed them into three buildings and the fourth crashed in a PA field. It happened on live tv. Even watching the events from hundreds of cameras and video, live as it happened, people still cling to some secret conspiracy.

It defies the laws of physics for the towers to have gone down merely on account of a plane crashing in each of them in the upper floors. Bombs went off at the base - who installed and detonated them? What happened to Building 7?

Given these facts, one is left to speculate that the people in charge of security may have even been behind a band of people who wanted to bring down the towers and arranged it so they could follow thru with it and take the blame. But, this still does not explain what brought them down, so it wasn’t just the so-called ‘terrorists’ in the planes - the real terrorists set up the bombs and made the arrangements.

To continue the devastation of the Muslim countries in the Middle East another ‘Pearl Harbor’ was the ideal solution. Well, they got their Pearl Harbor just like the King David Hotel bombing which was only proudly admitted to decades later. Will the same happened with the Twin Towers? In what 25 or 50 years the true culprit will proudly admit it and how they deceived this generation of Americans?

I have never made the following public, but I will here. I was out of the country on September 11 when the bombing and airplane crashes occurred. I was shocked and hurt as I watched the outcome on CNN. The reporter reported that the United Airline Flight 93 may be brought down by the military. It was covered in it’s details and I waited petrified to learn if the military would be given the order to take it down - the reporter said they were given the order and the plane was going to be brought down. I cried and prayed for the people in the plane and waited for the news that the plane had been brought down, and minutes later the reported said that the plane had been destroyed.

Then I returned to the USA years later, to learn some stupid cover up movie had been made claiming the plane went down on it’s own and the American public has been told that is what happened. Yeah, it’s a painful truth to know people were killed by their own military but the government has no right to lie and deceive the American people as they have been for all of 911. There are people in the government that are behind it and facilitated it. And if you know too much - you’re dead.

The American people in general were aware that the security of the Twin Towers was important as it was under threat. What they did not know is that that security had been lease to a foreign country. Why not?

 

[Beryllos]

It defies the laws of physics for the towers to have gone down merely on account of a plane crashing in each of them in the upper floors. Bombs went off at the base - who installed and detonated them?

On the contrary, the laws of physics explain it pretty well. The terrorists or the masterminds who backed them knew that burning jet fuel would soften the steel framework. The structural collapse began in the fire zone, and once it started, gravity and momentum accomplished the rest.

What happened to Building 7.

Also fire related, but without jet fuel it took longer.

 

[zz912]

It defies the laws of physics for the towers to have gone down merely on account of a plane crashing in each of them in the upper floors.

No it doesn’t. The twin towers relied upon heavy support from the exterior walls. The planes crashed into them destroying a large portion of the support for the upper floors. The fires from the fuel further weakened steel beams (didn’t have to melt them, just make them weaker) and eventually it reached a collapse point when they started to fall.

Bombs went off at the base - who installed and detonated them?

This is an amazing claim. Why did the collapse start at the impact points of the planes then? Why does none of the video evidence show explosions at the base before the fall? How were they able to hide such massive bombs in the open lobbies of the towers so that no one would notice?

What happened to Building 7?

massive debris damage and the falling of the towers caused fires to erupt in the fuel storage facilities there. The uncontrolled fires eventually weakened the structure till it fell. Why would Building 7’s demolition been necessary to provoke the claimed response? Everyone I know was plenty mad after the two towers fell. They didn’t get more upset when the empty Building 7 fell. They didn’t think everything was fine, but then when 7 fell, the felt like attacking the Taliban.

I have never made the following public, but I will here. I was out of the country on September 11 when the bombing and airplane crashes occurred. I was shocked and hurt as I watched the outcome on CNN. The reporter reported that the United Airline Flight 93 may be brought down by the military. It was covered in it’s details and I waited petrified to learn if the military would be given the order to take it down - the reporter said they were given the order and the plane was going to be brought down. I cried and prayed for the people in the plane and waited for the news that the plane had been brought down, and minutes later the reported said that the plane had been destroyed.

Then I returned to the USA years later, to learn some stupid cover up movie had been made claiming the plane went down on it’s own and the American public has been told that is what happened.

So you are accusing GTE employee Lisa Jefferson and the families of those on board of being liars? They spoke to those on board and they said they were going to attack the Islamists.

 

[zz912]

On the contrary, the laws of physics explain it pretty well. The terrorists or the masterminds who backed them knew that burning jet fuel would soften the steel framework. The structural collapse began in the fire zone, and once it started, gravity and momentum accomplished the rest.

Yep. People forget that Islamists tried to take down one of the buildings 8 years before 9/11 with a huge bomb in a van. They set it off, but the building stood because it had enough support from the exterior walls and inner core. They changed up their attack plans the next time. They learned and used planes full of jet fuel instead.

 

[Abba]

On the contrary, the laws of physics explain it pretty well. The terrorists or the masterminds who backed them knew that burning jet fuel would soften the steel framework. The structural collapse began in the fire zone, and once it started, gravity and momentum accomplished the rest.

Also fire related, but without jet fuel it took longer.

Whatever you say. Whatever makes you happy. I don’t want to send a 9.0 earthquake to your world, so, whatever you say.

 

[Beryllos]

Whatever you say. Whatever makes you happy. I don’t want to send a 9.0 earthquake to your world, so, whatever you say.

and peace be with you as well.

 

[AKDee]

On the contrary, the laws of physics explain it pretty well. The terrorists or the masterminds who backed them knew that burning jet fuel would soften the steel framework. The structural collapse began in the fire zone, and once it started, gravity and momentum accomplished the rest.

Also fire related, but without jet fuel it took longer.

Actually, I don’t think the terrorists knew that the jet fuel would bring the buildings down. I think the first plane was flown into the top of the tower in hopes it would knock the entire tower over. The second plane aimed more for the middle. I don’t think they had any idea that they would be so spectacularly “successful” (by terrorist standards) in bringing down the buildings.

But yes, the burning jet fuel completely explains the destruction of the twin towers, and building 7 has also been explained. Building 7 was on fire as well, and it had fuel storage in the basement. Same cause.

 

[TaurusRex]

Actually, I don’t think the terrorists knew that the jet fuel would bring the buildings down. I think the first plane was flown into the top of the tower in hopes it would knock the entire tower over. The second plane aimed more for the middle. I don’t think they had any idea that they would be so spectacularly “successful” (by terrorist standards) in bringing down the buildings.

But yes, the burning jet fuel completely explains the destruction of the twin towers, and building 7 has also been explained. Building 7 was on fire as well, and it had fuel storage in the basement. Same cause.

It does seem that it may have been beyond the hyjackers’ technological know how that the jet fuel fire would be enough to take the temper out of the steel and the weight of the stories above the fire would be enough to cause the total collapse of the towers;
But, I agree that the towers did collapse for those reasons;

However, where I part company is on the question of, “By whom?”
And I don’t believe that
“Some militant Muslim men hijacked four planes and crashed them into three buildings and the fourth crashed in a PA field” quiet covers it
brains and money wise.

rex

 

[mikekle]

Actually, I don’t think the terrorists knew that the jet fuel would bring the buildings down. I think the first plane was flown into the top of the tower in hopes it would knock the entire tower over. The second plane aimed more for the middle. I don’t think they had any idea that they would be so spectacularly “successful” (by terrorist standards) in bringing down the buildings.

But yes, the burning jet fuel completely explains the destruction of the twin towers, and building 7 has also been explained. Building 7 was on fire as well, and it had fuel storage in the basement. Same cause.

WTC 7 has been called a “controlled demolition” by quite a few structural engineers, timing/ media reporting was also odd for building 7.

I dont know, maybe Bin Laden knew more than we give him credit for when it came to structural integrity and how buildings come down, but in combination with some other things, I think there was MUCH more to these attacks.

 

[AKDee]

WTC 7 has been called a “controlled demolition” by quite a few structural engineers, timing/ media reporting was also odd for building 7.

I dont know, maybe Bin Laden knew more than we give him credit for when it came to structural integrity and how buildings come down, but in combination with some other things, I think there was MUCH more to these attacks.

There is the fact that the bin Laden family is into construction. The crane that collapsed on the Mecca Mosque the other day was owned by the bin Laden family. I may be selling the terrorists short on their technical knowledge.

 

[zz912]

WTC 7 has been called a “controlled demolition” by quite a few structural engineers, timing/ media reporting was also odd for building 7.

I dont know, maybe Bin Laden knew more than we give him credit for when it came to structural integrity and how buildings come down, but in combination with some other things, I think there was MUCH more to these attacks.

The buildings fell similar to a controlled demolition because of the fires which brought them down. The fires weakened multiple areas of the structural steel supports, pretty much uniformly (i.e. the fires were spread across a large area). So when the collapse point came, and one too many steel beams became just too weak, the whole section collapse like a house of cards. The whole floor started falling, and once that much weight is collapsing, nothing will stop it.

As to the comment earlier by another about the money and brains, the operation didn’t take much at all. The hardest part is finding recruits willing to die. Once they have that, getting them into the US isn’t too difficult if they are unknown. Then get them flight lessons and finally some box cutters. Overall it is a very cheap mission relatively speaking.

 

[mikekle]

The buildings fell similar to a controlled demolition because of the fires which brought them down. The fires weakened multiple areas of the structural steel supports, pretty much uniformly (i.e. the fires were spread across a large area). So when the collapse point came, and one too many steel beams became just too weak, the whole section collapse like a house of cards. The whole floor started falling, and once that much weight is collapsing, nothing will stop it.

As to the comment earlier by another about the money and brains, the operation didn’t take much at all. The hardest part is finding recruits willing to die. Once they have that, getting them into the US isn’t too difficult if they are unknown. Then get them flight lessons and finally some box cutters. Overall it is a very cheap mission relatively speaking.

I was referring to building 7.

 

[TaurusRex]

As to the comment earlier by another about the money and brains, the operation didn’t take much at all. The hardest part is finding recruits willing to die. Once they have that, getting them into the US isn’t too difficult if they are unknown. Then get them flight lessons and finally some box cutters. Overall it is a very cheap mission relatively speaking.

You’re admitting that beyond the “box cutters” there was plenty of coordination necessary like getting trained pilots into the country and hijacking 4 planes at nearly the same time.

Could those suicide hijacking “recruits” have been hired?

**How is it that our air force took so long to respond to these four planes flying off course? **

How do we know it wasn’t an insurance job?

**How do we know it wasn’t financed by arms manufacturing moguls? **

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How do we know that some foreign or even domestic special interest groups didn’t believe it necessary for the USA to get involved in combating a growing threat of world jihadist terrorism?**

rex