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That positioning is met with enthusiasm by so many people on the borders of Russia. If Russia could keep to itself and live without threatening its neighbors, the situation could change to the benefit of all.
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That positioning is achieved by overthrowing of the governments by the US, and often wars. The other of these “neighbors” of Russia also welcomed Hitler. It is not surprising that Russia feels threatened. USA is installing military bases and puppet governments closer and closer to Russia, and when you get response, you want to talk about the benefit of all.
Russia even offered USA to enter NATO in the 1990s, USA refused and started installing military bases around Russia, while Yeltsin allowed foreigners to economically enslave Russia, and when Putin has made Russia independent again, anti-Russia propaganda starts again.
Russia even offered USA to enter NATO in the 1990s, USA refused and started installing military bases around Russia, while Yeltsin allowed foreigners to economically enslave Russia, and when Putin has made Russia independent again, anti-Russia propaganda starts again.
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And i wonder how USA would react if Russia had surrounded US soil with it’s bases. Last time it tried to put missiles on Cuba, we almost had a nuclear war.
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Sure.
When the Germans were welcomed it tells you just how horrific was the Soviet yoke.
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No superpower today can claim moral superiority and it’s pointless to debate that during a conflict. It just matters who wins or loses. Russia is the aggressor making the Baltic states nervous. I prefer negotiating but a preemptive strike in Crimea or eastern Ukraine would have stopped their advance west. We’re all being manipulated into WWIII. I’m merely advocating for a proactive winning strategy.
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Don’t you worry, Greek Catholics are extremely hostile to Russian Church too, so much hostile that they were most loyal tool in Hitler’s genocide against the Russians in Ukraine.
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Most of these nations were not in the Soviet Union, if you want to bash Russia, at least learn it’s history.
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Unlike Russia, the US is not engaged in acquisition of territory by force. There would, therefore, be no defensive purpose served by such staging. We would react to this as the purely aggressive threat that it is.
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What nations are you referring to? And how does this relate to what I have said?
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You don’t even know the US history, Guam and Havaii were conquered by force. To this day, most nations don’t recognize Guam as part of the US. At least Russians meddle around regions where Russians live and are not conquering random islands that are good for positioning of imperialist-colonialist military bases.
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I used the present indicative verb tense.
A treaty was signed at the UN in the early seventies making territorial acquisition by conquest a war crime. Russia has engaged in territorial acquisition by force since it has signed that treaty. It is a war criminal state,
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Actually the Greek Catholics that I know have great relations with Orthodox, even helping them - notwithstanding of terrible past - in the establishing of missions in the US. (Never in reverse of course). In the old country, for the most part. Greek Catholics just want the property handed over to the Orthodox during the Soviet days returned and to live in please; it doesn’t seem like too great a request.
The situation in Eastern Galicia is more tense. Pretty much no one wants to be associated with the Russian Church; Moscow has as much of a problem with the Kievan Church s it does with UGCC. And of course they fought against the Soviets in WWII, after the Holodomor,
Do Russians speak of genocide against them? Maybe that’s where Trump learned that clever rhetorical tactic.
The situation in Eastern Galicia is more tense. Pretty much no one wants to be associated with the Russian Church; Moscow has as much of a problem with the Kievan Church s it does with UGCC. And of course they fought against the Soviets in WWII, after the Holodomor,
Do Russians speak of genocide against them? Maybe that’s where Trump learned that clever rhetorical tactic.
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dvdjs
So what, USA and 18 NATO countries bombed Serbia without UN approval and ripped apart Kosovo away from it and gave it to local Albanian Muslims, and then USA installed huge military base in Kosovo. Puff, one step closer to Russia, and then he wonders why Russia retaliates the same in Crimea. Since 1776, USA was only 2 years not in war with some country or in some country. Somehow these countries are often very small and very far away from the US, and US always finds a way to start a war with “noble” reasons. And you call Russia a war criminal state, unlike the US, Russia was not founded by exterminating Native population.
Only in Korean war, USA dropped more napalm bombs on North Korean cities and villages, killing millions. USA used more bombs on Korean civilian targets than on Japan and entire world war 2 Pacific war. Every single city and village in Korea was destroyed, and you call Russia a war criminal state, because it retook control over Crimea by not firing a single shot.
You are going to make us believe that it is okay to burn every city and village in the US to the ground. Why not? You did it to others, and you dare to point finger at others none the less.
So what, USA and 18 NATO countries bombed Serbia without UN approval and ripped apart Kosovo away from it and gave it to local Albanian Muslims, and then USA installed huge military base in Kosovo. Puff, one step closer to Russia, and then he wonders why Russia retaliates the same in Crimea. Since 1776, USA was only 2 years not in war with some country or in some country. Somehow these countries are often very small and very far away from the US, and US always finds a way to start a war with “noble” reasons. And you call Russia a war criminal state, unlike the US, Russia was not founded by exterminating Native population.
Only in Korean war, USA dropped more napalm bombs on North Korean cities and villages, killing millions. USA used more bombs on Korean civilian targets than on Japan and entire world war 2 Pacific war. Every single city and village in Korea was destroyed, and you call Russia a war criminal state, because it retook control over Crimea by not firing a single shot.
You are going to make us believe that it is okay to burn every city and village in the US to the ground. Why not? You did it to others, and you dare to point finger at others none the less.
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Soviet war crimes - Wikipedia
Feel free to research this to your hearts content. None of us are without blood on our hands. None of us have followed Just War Theory. The world governments are corrupt and evil; thus, conspiracy theories about collusion in all the wars of the 20th century.
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My goodness.
It is easy to play tit-for-tat, and very tempting given the matriphagial conquest’ of Rus’ by the Finno-Moskaly.
What fun!
I am happy to criticize strategical goal and tactics of the US. Start a thread on that topic if you wish.
But the bottom line in this discussion is that Russia is a clear violator of the UN treaty against territorial expansion by conquest. Its neighbors understand its appetites, its history of colonization and cultural imperialism. I do not think that neighbors of the US live with such apprehension as the Poles, Balts, Ukrainians, Georgians, etc. There is a reason for us to be where we are in defense of liberty against a proven aggressor.
Here is a nice essay that captures the problem faced by Russia’s neighbors.
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The Two Abysses of the Soul | Los Angeles Review of Books
Costica Bradatan shows us how The Brothers Karamazov explains Russia's current politics.
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There is a lot about the war against SErbia of which I did not and do not approve. Nevertheless, it’s absurd to think Russia’s designs on Ukraine have anything to do with that. Russia’s seizure of Georgian territory, for example, predated Kosovo. Montenegro, Serbia’s (thus Russia’s) closest ally opted for the EU fairly recently.
There are historical and cultural reasons why Russia has designs on Ukraine (excepting perhaps western Ukraine, where the people are different). And there are very good reasons why the various peoples of eastern Europe do not want to be subject to Russia…again.
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One bad act does not defend another, but this assertion is quite mistaken. Ask the Crimean Tatars, even in recent times, about that.
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Including the noncombatants? We bombed them from 30,000 feet, remember, and even hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Indiscriminate bombing of populated areas is not something a people “deserves”.
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War sucks, especially over war. Perhaps the Serbian leadership should have considered that before embroiling their countrymen in a genocidal campaign.niceatheist:
Including the noncombatants? We bombed them from 30,000 feet, remember, and even hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Indiscriminate bombing of populated areas is not something a people “deserves”.
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