On the role of fathers

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Hahahahaha I love R. Lee Ermey. We need more men like him. I’m sorry if I spoke out of turn. Maybe I’m just a grumpy old school sort of guy who’s been transplanted from WWII, minus the racism and sexism; and is unhappy with the 21st century.
 
I don’t believe it is just you. We live in a culture where there is pressure to emasculate men, or at least erase the difference between genders, which amounts to about the same thing.

I know of severl young men, between the age of 20 and 35 who can not find a place in society, professionally or personally. They are well educated, come from good families, seem to have everything going for them and are struggling. There seems to be no place for them, no role to play, so they just float. They are not interested in career tracs and have sufficient education to pick up projects to work on. They do programming, teach classes, start companies, etc. They are not in permanent relationships either. It seems very odd.
Actually, it may be the parents who are struggling with seemingly irresponsible choices their sons are making. I don’t know.
 
I’ve noticed in our culture the tendency now to regard gender roles and even gender identity as a choice; even though suicide rates among homosexuals and transgenders are proven to be higher than among heterosexuals.
 
Simply put: The husband and father is the head of the family: Leading, guiding and governing the family; providing for all of his wife’s and children’s needs, spiritually and physically; and providing for a better future for his kids. Essentially being priest, prophet, warrior, provider, guide, protector and king for his wife and children: Providing wise and mature leadership, guidance and governance in rendering wise judgments and decisions in family matters; informed by his wife’s perspective.
Sounds like a lot of responsibility for the husband to provide for “all of his wife’s and children’s needs”. That’s kind of the model my parents followed. My mother was a stay-at-home housewife and my father was the “provider”. But I’m not sure that that is a great model. Now that my father who is in his mid 80s has Alzheimer’s, my mother has been forced when she’s almost 80 to take on a lot of duties that my father had been doing all these years, including making a lot of decisions on her own. It’s not easy to start doing that for the first time at the end of your life. I’ve had to take over some things that my father used to be responsible for because my mother just can’t do them, but it’s not that easy sometimes since I live more than 500 miles away. And I think that my mother missed out on doing some things on her own that would have made her own life more fulfilling. And nowadays, most families can’t afford to live on one paycheck anymore, so they have to rely on the wife doing some of the providing, too.
 
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I see the point about too much responsibility for taking care of all the family’s needs. There is probably a need for more balance, and in most families that balance did exist. When the parents get into their 80’s, they both need assistance from us, their children. I look at my father, who is now alone and in his 90’s. He is of sound mind, but has to be taken care of. The children manage his life. That seems to be our role now. Families evolve as one generation moves on and anothe takes over. This is a natural process.
 
Single fathers are on the rise so hopefully the needed support should be available.

Maybe that’s a ministry you could propose to your pastor.
 
Same here.

In fact, in the parish I am currently attending, men of all ages make up the majority.
 
In fact, I would argue that a man might not feel welcome in some of the organizational efforts that are comprised almost exclusively of women (whether married, or not)
You have perceived that correctly. Parish women are actually the most sexist of people one will encounter in the Church. They run a whole organisation behind the scenes where the first criterion for admission is that one is female. On top of that they will exploit any opportunity for female “victimhood” 😭 in relation to their husbands, the parish priest or society at large. They are as much “feminist” as they are “Catholic”.

Oops, I forgot that men are welcome - to do the physical work, the boring work and the dangerous work (such as climbing high ladders to put up stuff in the church). Just be quiet and stay in your place in meetings 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔 🐔 .
 
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I have yet to meet a man with sole custody (e.g. whose wife has no visitation)
 
I have met one.

His ex-wife was in jail due to drug dealing and perjury.
 
Maybe the girls are escaping parental (paternal) authority, and they don’t want another authority figure, such as God in their life? Young me, on the other hand, seem to need or want an ordered universe with a God figure.
 
People who have not had a positive parental figure in their life will unsurprisingly view God in the same negative light.

This is especially true if said parental (paternal) figure is violent and abusive.
 
Are you suggesting that all the young womenhave had violent and abusive fathers? Seriously?

The answer may be elsewhere. My friend has a twenty-something daughter. Good protestants. The girl went to baptist camps and so forth. She vehementrly supports the LGBT movements, gay marriage, gender pronouns, and all the other nonsense. She is a typical product of the educational system and hollywood brainwashing. (I know something about this as I work with highschool age kids)

She has a great relationship with her father (seems to hate her mom), is a church-goer and is on the traditional marriage track. (currently living with her boyfriend and soon to wed)

Given her ideological bent, this girl would not accept the Catholic church with our attitude toward tradition and values. She represents or is the victim of the clash between hollywood values and Catholic values. Most young women choose hollywood.
Can’t blame the father for that.
 
Sounds like a lot of responsibility for the husband to provide for “all of his wife’s and children’s needs”. That’s kind of the model my parents followed. My mother was a stay-at-home housewife and my father was the “provider”. But I’m not sure that that is a great model.
I agree with you on this. We live in a time now, fortunately, where I believe the “role” of a father is the same as a mother. It is to be the best parent and spouse one can be. And that will mean different things for different families, children, and spouses. We all need to love and be loved, but that can look very different given any circumstances (setting aside the obvious: food, clothing, shelter, education, health care).

My parents were married in the 50’s and, for the most of their marriage, stayed in their own lanes with regards to roles and responsibilities. Sort of sad to realize there were whole parts of them that they didn’t get to exercise to their fullest, because it “wasn’t their role”. When my dad died, my mom went through exactly what you described. Making major decisions about her life was the hardest. She did not really have to do that for the better part of her marriage. Yes, my dad was a good man and took wonderful care of her. But she wasn’t able to care for herself, once he was gone, the way people of my generation would be able to. And it would have been no better for him if she had gone first. He would have not had the skills to survive. Not because he wasn’t capable enough, but because he chose to never “get out of his lane”.

When I hear someone say the father’s role is to be the leader of the family, I am hearing a whole lot of discount. Discounting that both parents/spouses should be equally making decisions for the family and guiding the family to goodness and through hard times. It assumes that a father is more capable in this regard, and it just isn’t true. Sometimes, maybe. All of the time? Hardly.

My husband and I live a partnership. We both were leaders to our children, when we were raising them. However, we are a partnership for the family. No major decisions are made without discussion, and agreement or compromise. We only defer to each other when we really don’t care much about the decision being made. My husband doesn’t decide what the family is doing on Sunday morning any more than I do. We decide together. It has worked well for us over the years. I couldn’t imagine it being any other way.

I love the time we are living right now. Last night, I just changed the oil in my car while my husband was cooking us a wonderful dinner. After we ate, he washed the dishes and I paid the bills and reviewed our homeowner’s policy to make sure we didn’t need to make any adjustments.

Tomorrow, he will repair a shingle on the roof, and I will do a few loads of laundry.

My husband’s role as a father is the same as mine is as a mother. To love and care for our child and for each other.
 
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Are you suggesting that all the young womenhave had violent and abusive fathers? Seriously?
No.

I was suggesting that the girls who don’t want a paternal figure in their life may not have had a great relationship with their own fathers.
 
With an oil filter wrench. Is not difficult. You can view directions on youtube. You can most likely find one for your very make and model of car.
 
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I have yet to meet a man with sole custody (e.g. whose wife has no visitation)
That’s not what “sole custody” means.

Custody is where the child lives and the decision making, often broken into phrases like “physical custody” and “legal custody”.

As a lawyer, I’ve seen any number of fathers with custody. Oddly, I never saw a single case in which a mother was actually current on support (and I’ve confirmed the variety of this with female attorneys). I also have had limited contact in that area in a long time, so maybe it’s chawed.
I was suggesting that the girls who don’t want a paternal figure in their life may not have had a great relationship with their own fathers.
A bit off topic, but my wife and I watched an episode of Lucifer in which one of the “angles” was asking people if they had a good relationship with their fathers. One replied, “I’m half naked dancing in a club for money. What do you think?” 😱🤣:roll_eyes:
With an oil filter wrench. Is not difficult. You can view directions on youtube. You can most likely find one for your very make and model of car.
And if that doesn’t get it loose, you just put a pan underneath and drive a large screwdriver through with a hammer, and use the leverage to twist it off. I’ve also used extremely large channel lock pliers (which also do damage to the filter, but you’re throwing it out).
 
Are you suggesting that all the young womenhave had violent and abusive fathers? Seriously?
Not necessarily violent or abusive per se, and not necessarily fathers alone.

But if one or both parents are overly contolling, strict or demanding, then authority in general is not going to look like a great thing.
 
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