On this rock I build My Church

[setarcos]

Wow, you don’t care much about the little details do you? It was Jesus Himself that told the Eleven that they could not understand all that He had Brought to them; that He would Send the other Paraclete, from the Father’s side, to Guide them to the Fullness of Truth.

Ah yes…the devils in the details. The revelatory truth of Christ as given to the apostles as to the way to salvation is clear though isn’t it. Jesus was pretty clear and this clarity was given to the apostles by the spirit at Pentecost to pass on to the rest of the world. That is the extent of your unfolding as far as salvific understanding is concerned. Must we wait till the day before Jesus returns to fully understand the ten commandments for instance? Must we wait till then until we may fully gain the benefits of the institution of the Eucharist? It has been said that in time all things will be revealed yet all things have been revealed as far as what God asks of us. How is it the Church can appeal to an unfolding of the faith as a defense of an ignorance of revealed salvation? It is a separate issue to say not all things are understood as to the how’s and the whys of which the apostles may have been recipients of “the fullness of truth”.

 

[margaret42]

One of the most important beliefs in the catholic church!

 

[jcrichton]

beginnings of later bulls institutionalizing the punishment of heresy including torture as a proper means of eliciting confession and expiation - up to death. These institutions going under the label (inquisitions). The same can be said of the various crusades both of which the Church has apologized for. Clear examples of straying far from the beliefs of the early church fathers, the apostles, and Christ himself.

Could you not expand your interpretation and cite the actual documents that demonstrate what you are saying?

Why do you think an early pope while gathering up these sacred documents into a canon couldn’t have fabricated some scripture and inserted them into the canon as sacred. Can you point to any primary Christian denomination which has a leader that has done so?

We are writing past each other.

I am stating that not one single Pope, as far as I know, have stated that his (Papal writing) is Sacred Writing.

…as for Christians… the claims that the Catholic Church has added books to the Bible, that she is the whore of Babylon, that Catholics are not Christians… the list goes on–these are taught as denominational credos (yeah, they claim not to have them) and still linger on in the twenty-first century. It is not only a past but also a present state where the leadership/union of non-Catholics teach against the Catholic Church as mandates (ordination) from God (as the “apostasy” of the Church)

Yet the early Church was against forced conversion, torture, killing thy enemy, amassing vast quantities of wealth and all of these things have been endorsed by papal bull at one time or other. I would say if it can be shown that Popes have done these things then perhaps many of the Popes weren’t being led by the holy spirit in the first place.

Again, show the document where the Church Taught such things. Show one Pope that made Doctrinal implementations as you’ve claimed.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

…I am bashing those who would use the church as a pretext for promoting their own twisted agendas…by comparison?

You are claiming that the Catholic Church Popes have enacted Doctrines to bring about these things–blanket accusations and claims.

The inquisition was most assuredly a Roman Church thing. It was institutionalized and an example of a loss of faith in God while putting faith in worldly tactics to ensure ones continued existence.

Again. You are claiming that the inquisition is a Church thing (as the burning of witches depicted by hollowood, amongst other things, conveniently forgetting that Henry the 8th was the church of England and that the settlers in America were mostly non-Catholic…

Here’s what you are arguing:

"[T]he Inquisition, as a church-court, had no jurisdiction over Moors and Jews as such."[7] Generally, the Inquisition was concerned only with the heretical behaviour of Catholic adherents or converts.[8]
“The overwhelming majority of sentences seem to have consisted of penances like wearing a cross sewn on one’s clothes, going on pilgrimage, etc.”[9] When a suspect was convicted of unrepentant heresy, the inquisitorial tribunal was required by law to hand the person over to the secular authorities for final sentencing, at which point a magistrate would determine the penalty, which was usually burning at the stake although the penalty varied based on local law.[10][11] The laws were inclusive of proscriptions against certain religious crimes (heresy, etc.), and the punishments included death by burning, although usually the penalty was banishment or imprisonment for life, which was generally commuted after a few years. Thus the inquisitors generally knew what would be the fate of anyone so remanded, and cannot be considered to have divorced the means of determining guilt from its effects.[12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition)

…although it is clearly stated that the Church issue was with Catholics who embraced heresy and that for the most part the penalties were “penance” and “pilgrimages” you want people to believe that the Church was actively burning at stake people left and right (anti-Catholic propaganda that is favored over truth).

If you would allow (let your blind preconceptions be brought into the light of truth) read some actual facts on the inquisition/s:

By the 14th century, the Inquisition represented the best legal practices available. Inquisition officials were university-trained specialists in law and theology. The procedures were similar to those used in secular inquisitions (we call them “inquests” today, but it’s the same word). (https://www.catholiceducation.org/e.../the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition.html)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Trinitarian conception of God as defined by the magisterium

Actually as defined by Yahweh God’s Revelation.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Must we wait till then until we may fully gain the benefits of the institution of the Eucharist?

It was Revealed Once; Unfolded as the Apostles were able to understand; continued to Unfold the Church grew–Doctrine and Practice.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[truthlovingorthodox]

I would like contact details of priests in Sydney Australia I can see who are most willing and capable to clarify the faith for me. I may then get chrismated

 

[truthlovingorthodox]

But I guess I may not be able to join because I may not have same beliefs. I don’t judge you but I feel I must not compromise my beliefs