Onanism

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1ke said:
CCC quoting Casti Connubii: This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act
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Can we get the context for that from the CCC and Casti Connubii?
 
R1ch4rd said:
Regardless of what various papal encyclicals and speeches have confirmed, there comes a time when, not only is the woman infertile, but the man has trouble finishing…no matter how Catholic his intentions are. Take it from someone who is almost there. I dare anyone to tell me where the Church say’s I shouldn’t have started because I may not be able to finish. People seem to be hung up on the source of a statement…show me!!

There seems to be volumes printed for those who are entering, or in their productive years, what about us old folks? Where is Church teaching for us? And I reject the statement that age makes no difference because it does before puberty…now tell me about the other end. Am I supposed to look at my wife and say that’s it Hon, we’re done here???
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friend, whatever the Church teaches in this regard, it is not intended to burden you. You made clear your “Catholic intention”, that you intend to finish inside. Be proud of that noble intention, then seriously don’t worry about it. Catholics should finish inside as actions flows naturally. If she is using her hand and it feels right, just go with the flow.
 
thinkandmull said:
friend, whatever the Church teaches in this regard, it is not intended to burden you. You made clear your “Catholic intention”, that you intend to finish inside. Be proud of that noble intention, then seriously don’t worry about it. Catholics should finish inside as actions flows naturally. If she is using her hand and it feels right, just go with the flow.
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You really shouldn’t be giving moral advice.
 
aemcpa said:
CCC 2366. Footnote 153 refers to Humanae Vitae 12, which presumably refers to Casti Connubii (but you can look it up).
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I don’t have the CCC with me and the online version doesn’t cite the footnotes. Anyway, the way these two sentences are set together in the CCC: “it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.” “This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.” Hmmm, I see it now. So it is Church teaching that the man must always intend to finish inside.

But with old people, it is NOT meant to burden than and make things feel unnatural. I would say the intention to follow the CHurch suffices, so they don’t have to worry about forcing it onto themselves in the heat of the moment
 
What the CCC said on masturbation and teenagers shows I am right. If a teenage boy feels like he’s going to explode and going nuts, it may not be against his conscience

Remember the doctrine of probabilism
 
thinkandmull said:
I don’t have the CCC with me and the online version doesn’t cite the footnotes. Anyway, the way these two sentences are set together in the CCC: “it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life.” “This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act.” Hmmm, I see it now. So it is Church teaching that the man must always intend to finish inside.

But with old people, it is NOT meant to burden than and make things feel unnatural. I would say the intention to follow the CHurch suffices, so they don’t have to worry about forcing it onto themselves in the heat of the moment
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This an erroneous private interpretation of the Church’s document which is why another poster asked that you not give moral advice.
 
An old man asked for advice. You are giving your private restrictive opinion, I am following the wisdom of Probabilism. DOn’t be a Pharisee
 
I didn’t say he didn’t have to try at all to follow his “Catholic intention”. It’s just a matter of degree, how far you need to worry and struggle with it (as he said he does) when your trying to make love
 
thinkandmull said:
An old man asked for advice. You are giving your private restrictive opinion, I am following the wisdom of Probabilism. DOn’t be a Pharisee
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OLD MAN? :DI’m not in the grave yet…but as you can see, there is a lot of question on how an “old man” should act when his facilities don’t spring into action like they used to.
Your advice contradicts the teaching of the Church.
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Show me the teaching of the Church on this subject. It’s not really Onanism because if I don’t finish the way God intended, I just don’t finish. Is there ever a line that needs to be drawn? My Church seems to be very silent on sex in one’s “golden years”.
 
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