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Iranian Pastor Sentenced to Death: Nadarkhani Refuses to Convert
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By Daniel D. Tovrov | September 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT

Iranian Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, who is facing the death penalty, again refused to convert to Islam to save his life.

Nadarkhani was arrested in 2009 for the crime of apostasy because he allegedly abandoned Islam for Christianity. As a pastor, Iranian clerics believe that Nadarkhani was preaching in order to convert Muslims.

Before his last hearing Wednesday, Nadarkhani had been given three previous chances to repent, and all three times he has refused. After his final refusal Wednesday, no verdict has been announced, but many expect that he could be put to death as soon as Friday.

The case has slowly garnered international attention, and there are a number of Christian rights groups advocating for his release.

U.S. House Speaker John Boehner also has spoken out against Iran. “While Iran’s government claims to promote tolerance, it continues to imprison many of its people because of their faith. This goes beyond the law to an issue of fundamental respect for human dignity. I urge Iran’s leaders to abandon this dark path, spare [Nadarkhani’s] life, and grant him a full and unconditional release,” said Boehner.

There were rumors on Wednesday night that Nadarkhani’s execution sentence was to be waived after the final trial, but contradicting reports indicate that the news was incorrect.

“We’ve had some reports that there has been a verbal announcement from the court in Iran that the sentence is annulled but we urge caution,” said Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a religious group campaigning for Nadarkhani’s release.

“It’s been known that verbal announcements have been directly contradicted by later written statements. We are still calling for international pressure to be kept up.”

The American Center for Law and Justice said in a message titled “Troubling News” that the rumors were spread by the Iranian secret service in an attempt to get the media to stop reporting the story. ACLJ said Nadarkhani’s lawyer Mohammad Ali Dadkhah called the center Wednesday to say the death sentence hasn’t been overturned.

Even if the sentence were commuted, Nadarkhani could still face life in prison. And even if he were released, there would still be danger.

“In Iran about 18 years ago, they had released a pastor, but then came and assassinated him and his bishop later. We cannot stop the pressure,” Pastor Firouz Sadegh-Khandjani, a Member of the Council of Elders for the Church of Iran, told the ACLJ.

Between June 2010 and January 2011, more than 200 people in Iran were arrested for their religious beliefs, according to Elam Ministries, a United Kingdom-based church with ties to Iran.
In August, a pastor named Haghnejad was arrested for the third time, according to Christian Solidarity. Police also confiscated 6,500 bibles, which Iran’s social issues committee deemed were being used to deceive youths.

While no one has been hanged for the crime of apostasy in Iran for more than 20 years, the country has the second highest execution rate of any nation in the world. So far in 2011, there have been about 400 executions, a quarter of which occurred in September.
 
They are only following the instructions of Mohamad

~ Who ever leaves the religion of islam, kill him. ~
 
Incorrect! Basic Islam Teaches that Killing ANY Unarmed person is Ultimate Evil. Killing One Innocent is Killing EVERYONE on Earth: stated to me by Several Muslims, In News too. It was Not “Islam” but the Radicalization by SOME as OK. We All have extremists. That Killing is Essential Violation of Islam/ Koran, and Muhamad. Killing ONLY Allowed in SELF-DEFENSE, as we teach. I’ve had Ideal experiences With Islam; Their Essence is to Greet, Welcome Any/Every visitor, and Respect Their Faith. News Again today was FBI that FBI Indutees were taught that Islam is Inherenty Evil, Nstional Danger, as Other Federal Agencies have, Falselly. Political Agendae Change Public, even Faith attitudes. That is Violation of Catholic Principles, and Christ’s. The Church Only condems Extremes, which hurt the Public Good. Has Not Condemned Islam, Each Pope and the USCCB have spoeken Against Our Military Actions In current Theaters, Because wwere Initiated by False Political
Hatred To Conquer Iraq (100% False Reasons, ‘knowingly’ (Proven), and “All Muslim Nations into our idea of ‘democracy’”: late 1999 Top GOP Insiders (Lehman/Rice/Wolfowitz, Kaplan et al) Decision, by all NON-Veterans by Avoidance of Duty/Obligation. Thety also decided USA 21st Century National Focus: The Greatest MilitaryPower on Earth, (Although there was NO Danger, Post Cold War)

I’ve Studied All Aspects, every viewpoint, all FACTS in my Surviving WW Ii There experinces, learning English as 8 year old 1950. Live In Truth, Respecting Others, as The Church Teaches. Only fight Evil, including FALSE hype. Search for Truth. Vivat Jesu.
 
If you make a claim, please give a source.
All they are doing in Iran is following the Sunna of their prophet Mohamad.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them.

The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’

I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’"

abdurrahman.org/sunnah/sahihBukhari/frame.html
 
Incorrect! Basic Islam Teaches that Killing ANY Unarmed person is Ultimate Evil. Killing One Innocent is Killing EVERYONE on Earth: stated to me by Several Muslims, In News too. It was Not “Islam” but the Radicalization by SOME as OK. We All have extremists. That Killing is Essential Violation of Islam/ Koran, and Muhamad. Killing ONLY Allowed in SELF-DEFENSE, as we teach. I’ve had Ideal experiences With Islam; Their Essence is to Greet, Welcome Any/Every visitor, and Respect Their Faith.
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Why death is the punishment for Apostasy
Alslamualik
This question has bees asked several time from non-Muslims and I want to find an answer: Why When the Muslim convert to another religion(Murtad) he/she should be killed?
Praise be to Allaah.
Your question may be answered by the following points:
(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, kill him.” (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).
(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.
(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.
(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.
(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?
(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as “personal freedom,” so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?
We ask Allaah for safety and health. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad .
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
islam-qa.com/en/ref/811/apostasy
 
More on this from islam Q&A

**The punishment for the apostate is execution. Why such harshness?. **

And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh.

What this hadeeth means is that whoever leaves Islam and changes to another religion and persists in that and does not repent, is to be executed.

It was also proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“It is not permissible to shed the blood of a person who bears witness that there is no god but Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases:

a life for a life,

a previously-married person who commits adultery,

**and one who leaves Islam and forsakes the jamaa’ah.” **

Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

islam-qa.com/en/ref/12406/apostasy
 
More on apostasy from Fatwa’s & Imam

Fatwa # 14127

Al-Irtidaad (to renegade from Islam)

The religion of Islam is the most perfect and complete religion.

The laws of Islam are flawlessly designed by Allah.

These laws of Islam are for the benefit and of mankind.

Islam induces unity and always condemns division and sects.

Once a person accepts Islam, he sees its beauty and perfection.

If after seeing the beauty of Islam, a Muslim turns away from it, it means he turned away from perfection towards imperfection, disassociating himself from the unity of the Muslims ummah towards a way that is unacceptable by Allah.

Allah always wishes good for His servants. By one accepting Islam, he will be Insha Allah entitled to paradise. However, after accepting Islam, one turns renegade, it means he has become entitled to Jahannam (Hell).

This is not what Allah wishes for His servants.

To prevent more people from becoming true candidates of the fire of Hell, Allah legislated a deterrent for it, i.e. the law of execution.

This law of executing the renegade is a unanimously accepted rule according to all Muslims.


Al-Hadith

Sayyiduna Ibn Abbaas radhi allahu anhuma says: Nabi sallalahu alayhi wasallam said “Execute the one who renegades from his Deen.” (Sahih al-Bukhariy Hadith6299, Sunan al-Nasaa’iy Hadith4059 edited by Shaikh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah)

Sayyiduna ‘Uthmaan radhiyallahu anhu narrates hearing Nabi Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as saying “……The one who changes his religion after accepting Islam must be executed.” (Sunan al-Nasaa’iy Hadith4057 edited by Shaikh Abdul Fattah Abu Ghuddah)

Sayyiduna Abdullah radhiallahu anhu narrates Nabi Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as saying “It is not Halaal to kill a Muslim except for 3 reason: …no.3.The one that turns away from his Deen, thereby disassociating himself from the group of Muslims.”(Sahih Muslim Hadith4351 edited by Shaikh Khalil ma’moon Sheeha)

Ijma’

The one who renegades from Islam must be executed is the unanimous verdict of the sahaaba, none of them rejected it.

The unanimity of the Sahaaba on an issue is conclusive evidence of the same.

The Fuqaha (Jurists)

All the 4 Mazhabs are unanimous that a renegade must be executed if he does not revert to Islam. Hereunder are classical texts from each of the 4 Mazhabs:

Al-Hanafiyyah

Imam al-Marghinaaniy says: "If a Muslim, may Allah forbid turns away from Islam, the religion of Islam should be presented to him. If he has any doubts they should be cleared…and he should be kept under supervision for 3 days. If he reverts to Islam, he must be set free, otherwise he should be executed. (Al-Hidaya)

Allamah Ibn ‘Aabideen says: “Note well! It is unanimous that a renegade from Islam must be executed” (Rasaa’il Ibn Aabideen)

Al-Maalikiyyah

Imam Maalik says: “The one who renegades from Islam to another religion and exposes it will be asked to repent from his action. If he does not repent, he must be executed.” (Al-Mu’atta lil Imam Maalik)

Al-shaafi’iyyah

Imam al-Shaafi’iy says: “One who renegades from Islam will not be left alone, either he reverts to Islam or he will be executed.” (Kitab al-Umm)

Al-Hanaabilah

Allamah Ibn Qudaama al-Hanbaliy says: “All the scholars are unanimous that a renegade must be executed.” (Al-Mughniy with Sharh al-Kabir Vol.10 Pg.74 Dar al-Kutub al-Ilmiyyah Beirut)

From the above it is explicitly clear that there is no leeway in the religion of Islam regarding executing a renegade from Islam.

and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=ed789a1ea6f6b16dfe39247bb10735ac

I think you all get the point by now - so I’ll stop flooding the thread with fatwas & islam Q&A

Everything I’ve posted are from 100% Islamic sites…
 
Jakasaki is right, Sharia laws are very obvious, there is even worse, however it’s good to work on the ‘evolution of religions’ and apply human rights and dignity. HOW can we prevent the execution?
 
Youcef Nadarkhani Update: U.S. Condemns Iranian Pastor’s Conviction

September 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT

The Obama administration Thursday condemned the conviction of Iranian pastor, Youcef Nadarkhani, who is facing execution in Tehran for refusing to convert to Islam from Christianity.

Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani “has done nothing more than maintain his devout faith, which is a universal right for people,” a White House spokesman said in a statement. “That the Iranian authorities would try to force him to renounce that faith violates the religious values they claim to defend, crosses all bounds of decency and breaches Iran’s own international obligations.”

Read more about it here:

ibtimes.com/articles/222887/20110930/iranian-pastor-death-sentence-youcef-nadarkhani.htm
 
Jakasaki is right, Sharia laws are very obvious, there is even worse, however it’s good to work on the ‘evolution of religions’ and apply human rights and dignity. HOW can we prevent the execution?
Thanks…!!

I was mostly responding to AntalKalnoky post where the poster claimed I was wrong about killing apostates in islam…
 
Nadarkhani Refuses to Repent; Awaiting Final Ruling on Apostasy Death Sentence

In his last court session on Wednesday, 28 September, Christian Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani,** charged with apostasy and sentenced to execution**, refused to repent of his Christian faith despite the judge’s repeated requests.

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Youcef Nadarkhani is a 33-year-old pastor who was born to Muslim parents and converted to Christianity at the age of 19.

Prior to his arrest, he was a pastor for the Church of Iran, a 400-person congregation of Christians in the city of Rasht.

**His death sentence on the charge of apostasy **was upheld on 23 August 2010 by Branch 11 of Gilan Province Appeals Court.

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“The Judge kept asking my client to say, ‘I have renounced Christianity and I recognize Islam as rescinder of all other regions,’ and he kept saying ‘I won’t say that,’” said Dadkhah.

iranhumanrights.org/2011/09/nadarkhani-repentance-2/
 
Jakasaki is right, Sharia laws are very obvious, there is even worse, however it’s good to work on the ‘evolution of religions’ and apply human rights and dignity. HOW can we prevent the execution?
There’s a petition on line for him:

Release of Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani; Fatemeh Pasandideh; Fatemeh Kojouri Tork; Mehdi & Mina Kerbalayi and their Mother, Nahid; Brother Afshin; Sister Mahsa; Brother Mid; Sister Nasrin; Pastor Behnam Irani; Pastor Behrouz Sadegh from Iranian Prison

petitiononline.com/IRANPET/petition-sign.html
 
Right it was on the news, Al-Quada also looks like the endangered species list all of a sudden. Hard to gauge with Christianity the #1 target worldwide now. Did you see the Coptics fleeing Egypt this week?

IMHO I wouldn’t motivate the kids “in person” here in the USA too much. They don’t need that, they need restriction and boundry.👍

Peace
 
Right it was on the news, Al-Quada also looks like the endangered species list all of a sudden. Hard to gauge with Christianity the #1 target worldwide now. Did you see the Coptics fleeing Egypt this week?

IMHO I wouldn’t motivate the kids “in person” here in the USA too much. They don’t need that, they need restriction and boundry.👍

Peace
Gary - your post has me looking like this :confused: right now…!!

I don’t understand… what are you replying to??
 
The “right” was to acknowledge what you stated above. The rest is just a perspective from the recent observation of today and yesterdays news. Al Quada looks wounded to me all of a sudden, Egypt I don’t know what to make off.

Peace
 
I found a muslim forum and posted about this topic and recieved a response from a practising muslim.
There are muslims out there who consider themselves as “koran” muslims only.

They do not follow the ahadith or sunna

Koran only muslims do not believe in “death for apostates” because there is no such ruling in the koran.

And then there are some “moderate” muslims who also do not believe in death for apostates.

Now…

From your forum post…
Peacenik:
Iran is on the path of Satan.
Not too much you can say after that.
The poster you had this conversation is a Sunni muslim and he stated that Iran is on the path of satan…

Iran is 90 - 95 Shia nation -

Sunny & Shia despise each other & are always at each others throats…

Sunny make up 90% of the muslim population

Shia make up about 10% of the muslim population

Sunny muslims claim that Shia are **not **muslims at all…

This was been going on for 1500 years.
 
The “right” was to acknowledge what you stated above. The rest is just a perspective from the recent observation of today and yesterdays news. Al Quada looks wounded to me all of a sudden, Egypt I don’t know what to make off.

Peace
Oh… I understand… 😊😊

Thanks for the explanation… much appreciated…

TGIF
 
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