Once saved, always saved

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Does anyone know when this philosophy first appeared? Just curious.
 
Some people have attributed it to the Reformers, although I would attribute it more to the easy-believism that grew out of the more unorthodox Evangelical movements of the 19th century.
 
I can not answer the question, as I have no way of understanding how past, present and future acts can be forgiven by a action of faith today.
Always is a watch word.
 
sfl said:
Does anyone know when this philosophy first appeared? Just curious.
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Simply put, in the 16th Century Protestant reformer John Calvin taught that God had chosen His “elect” before the world began. If you are one of the elect you can never lose your salvation.
Martin Luther taught that the only way you can lose your salvation is if you stop believing. Martin Luther had this to say:

“If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace
is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not
save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but
believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly. . . . as long as we are here
[in this world] we have to sin. . . .** No sin will separate us from the Lamb**,
even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.”
 
sfl said:
Does anyone know when this philosophy first appeared? Just curious.
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**It was during the Protestant Revolt that came some 1500 years after Jesus established his Church. As Third Day has already commented - it has its origins in the writings of Luther and Calvin.

This aberrant belief, however, is taught nowhere in the context of Scripture - nor was it ever taught by the Church in its history.
 
I don’t think one could trace the current OSAS doctrine to Luther, at all. I also wouldn’t directly connect it to the Reformed, though there may well have been influence. But those who adhere to a OSAS position are rarely Reformed.
 
Third_Day said:
Simply put, in the 16th Century Protestant reformer John Calvin taught that God had chosen His “elect” before the world began. If you are one of the elect you can never lose your salvation.
Martin Luther taught that the only way you can lose your salvation is if you stop believing. Martin Luther had this to say:

“If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace
is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not
save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but
believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly. . . . as long as we are here
[in this world] we have to sin. . . .** No sin will separate us from the Lamb**,
even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.”
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And to finish the thought:
Do you think that the purchase price that was paid for the redemption of our sins by so great a Lamb is too small? Pray boldly—you too are a mighty sinner.”

Luther’s letter to Melachthon is not a statement of doctrine, but a letter to a fellow theologian. His comment is a hyperbolic attempt to describe the great love of Christ, His willingness to forgive the sins of those who confess and believe on His name.

Luther also said,
“There is no justification without sanctification, no forgiveness without renewal of life, no real faith from which the fruits of new obedience do not grow.”

The obligation of the Christian is to work hard at renewing his life, to conform to the teachings and commands of Christ.

And finally:
*"This, then, is what it means to begin true repentance; and here man must hear such a sentence as this: You are all of no account, whether you be manifest sinners or saints [in your own opinion]; you all must become different and do otherwise than you now are and are doing [no matter what sort of people you are], whether you are as great, wise, powerful, and holy as you may. Here no one is [righteous, holy], godly, etc.

4] But to this office the New Testament immediately adds the consolatory promise of grace through the Gospel, which must be believed, as Christ declares, Mark 1:15: Repent and believe the Gospel, i.e., become different and do otherwise, and believe My promise. And John, preceding Him, is called a preacher of repentance, however, for the remission of sins, i.e., John was to accuse all, and convict them of being sinners, that they might know what they were before God, and might acknowledge that they were lost men, and might thus be prepared for the Lord, to receive grace, and to expect and accept from Him the remission of sins. Thus also Christ Himself says, Luke 24:47: 6] Repentance and remission of sins must be preached in My name among all nations." *

Repent, and do otherwise then what you are doing. Luther in no way was recommending to Melanchthon to go and sin as much as you want.

Lutherans reject OSAS, and its parent Preseverence of Saints. As the Formula of Concord says, “We also reject and condemn the dogma that faith and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost are not lost by wilful sin, but that the saints and elect retain the Holy Ghost even though they fall into adultery and other sins and persist therein.”

Jon
 
Why couldln’t all of you just simply work this out somehow, rather than give people like me the idea that you are all so disagreable that the whole idea was a sham to begin with?
 
theoldman said:
I think about 33 AD
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i think you are correct. however, it was not a belief taught by Jesus or his apostles. it was taught by varying sects of paganism. some taught if you believed their scriptures and said a little prayer, you would be good to go. its origins are NOT with Christianity. Peace 🙂
 
benidict said:
some taught if you believed their scriptures and said a little prayer, you would be good to go. its origins are NOT with Christianity. Peace 🙂
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And now they have shows on late night TBN. :takeoff:
 
You know, come think about it, I think I was wrong. It started where in the Bible it says “In the beginning”
 
theoldman said:
You know, come think about it, I think I was wrong. It started where in the Bible it says “In the beginning”
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of every tree in the garden you may eat. except the tree of the knowledge of good an evil. for in the day you eat of it, you shall surely die. hmmmm. looks like they were given a choice to me. and living in paradise was a conditional promise. they chose to eat of the tree, and fall away from where God had put them. so where is once saved always saved taught in genises? im curious. Peace 🙂
 
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